MNoBody
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the mysterious sky-king with the split personality
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What is source of human good qualities?
- Thread starter InvestigateTruth
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That's been causing delusions throughout the world, especially the Western world, for centuries and centuries.
Tom
Imagine if creationists put as much effort into understanding science as they put into making up ridiculous versions of phenomena they don't understand.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Oh they did. Maybe you should put as much effort into understanding things too. Its great to put all your effort into science. But when you do, dont make just rhetorical comments in an area you have not put effort into.
The mind boggles....
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
Pretty good summary of a couple of chapters of the epistle to the Romans. But in Romans, we actually are told to choose to walk in the Spirit instead of the 'flesh' (as you termed the 'body'). It's a choice we are able to make, from this view. But that choice during a difficult moment needs an aid.
MNoBody
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a choice is only as good as one's awareness of it.
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
Yes, that's also in the epistles and gospels of the new testament.
e.g. --
Romans 5:13 For sin was in the world before the law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
John 9:41 "If you were blind," Jesus replied, "you would not be guilty of sin. But since you claim you can see, your guilt remains."
No one is ever held to account for what they don't know/understand/intend.
MNoBody
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yet, before the law, the typical platitude is that ignorance, is no excuse....implying that whomever ought to have known enough to check first before leaping and if they didn't, it is impugned that they kind of deserve the results...which is the harshness of the injustice of opinion people typically find in the world of men.
yet one lacking awareness of "a choice", really had no choice before them to make which they were aware of.
subjective ignorance
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
Humans tend to be less Just and Merciful than God, one gets the impression, from a full reading (as opposed to partial) of scriptures.
One thing not so widely known, since it requires a much more full reading of scriptures --
"For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. After being made alive, d he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built...." (1rst epistle of Peter chapter 3) where we get the impression this means to all of the dead (illustrated by this prominent instance of all the people on Earth at that time but the righteous Noah and his family and in laws) that had not heard the gospel and might be willing to hear. In other words, it seems a universal chance for those not having had a chance.
MNoBody
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these universal principles sure get anthropomorphized,
like people have an inside scoop thereby into the thoughts and intents [secret reasonings and purposes]
of the "Universal-Intelligence" {for them in specific, and everyone else, generally}and its paternal patience.....
nice depiction and very evocative, if one is looking for pie in the sky in the sweet by and by,
more mysterious opiates for the masses, doled out at mass, enmass every 7-day.
which is a nice story, for children....shouldn't the kids have grown more demonstrably by now?
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
If you meant that those touting an outright universal salvation, I agree.
Instead, we hear there are definite criteria, and some will gain Life and many will not. For example a key one I was just pointing out a few minutes ago, as shown throughout scripture:
Psalm 138:6; Proverbs 3:34; Proverbs 29:23; Matthew 23:12; Luke 1:52; James 4:6; 1 Peter 5:5
MNoBody
Well-Known Member
which all depict a process which jeopardizes ones absolute state of being, just by being involved, therefore, do the work or else, same pattern as the former category, in essence.
same valuation scale being applied as motivational aid for slothful 'children', from appearances.
if the ends are the same, what matter the means?
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
I'll be happy to discuss with you if you like, but I was not able to guess what you mean. You are using too few words or assuming I'll guess too many things. What 'process' do you mean? What is one's 'absolute state of being' such that it could be 'jeopardized', and how? 'Involved' in what/how? Do what 'work'? What 'pattern'? and What 'category'? Also the whole 2nd paragraph a-z.
MNoBody
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hmm....
where to begin then.
process, the proposed alchemical [transformative] great work of all spiritual traditions which is the central focus of a religious/spiritual forum, lots of paths to the same end, one camp says it must be done this way or end in disaster, others are of distinctly different mind regarding the same work with the same end result. [generally speaking]
the 'absolute' state of being would be this quality which all spiritual traditions speak of, the immortal nature of the soul and its journey to some necessary goal through this life with an object in mind to attain to [nirvana, eternal life, heaven, perfected self, etc] the part which the theists say gets judged for its performance here in the material.
and this is always depicted in the manner that it could be something a person could and most likely will utterly fail at, which jeopardizes the 'status' of this immortal soul which gets assessed after its life's work, to see how it all holds up under intense perfect scrutiny....
this is some rudimentary elementary concepts....this is really abbreviated and very generalized.
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
Sure, that's familiar stuff. Mythos has always been interesting, and I've listened plenty to Joseph Campbell, read a range of things (even Jung), and so on. Not a bit is new to me there in what you just wrote.
One could simply try things out. I did, very widely, extensively.
MNoBody
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that is the great work..Sure, that's familiar stuff. Mythos has always been interesting, and I've listened plenty to Joseph Campbell, read a range of things (even Jung), and so on. Not a bit is new to me there in what you just wrote.
One could simply try things out. I did, very widely, extensively.
like in masonic tradition one may be speculative or operative as a modality of function..... antipodes, the extremes need to be pushed at to expand the envelope, the alchemist cannot merely read about things and imagine it, one must do the practicum in their own lab so to speak.....
trouble with speaking of the things invisible is that they resemble no visible thing so how may we speak of it at all.....newton devised calculus to assist, but it is patently beyond most [statistically speaking]
the alchemists and all that gang have special argot, slang, nomenclature, cant, etc, to speak in which is the calculus, so to speak of the parables and all those 'weird' stories.
hearers, or doers..... seems the lot of who-mans who still don't really know who they really are.
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
There was so much interesting theory, such as Jung's typology (which is a whole book he spent 10 years on, but also has been evolved since into much clearer and briefer descriptions), and how Campbell talked of myths in practice in life, I was also interested in just gains for living life well, and increasingly, since there's no end to theory, I was all about testing ideas out. Not just ideas as theories, but practical ways to live better. So, I increasingly tried a lot of different things, often for many hours each and some for hundreds of hours.
MNoBody
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gotta keep knocking on heaven's door....one should knock as if they know the king
so to sing.