Jesus is Coming

TransmutingSoul · Sep 11, 2020

Nova2216 said:
Depends if you're on the right or left on judgment day.

I see that day is here, if that is so, are you on the right or

The Anointed said:
Here you are Tony, just a few of many from the Tanakh, that refer to the Christ of the New Testament.

Catch ya later Tony.

So you used the New Testament Bible to explain those Tanakh passages. The challenge was to show Jesus in the passages without Bible Explanations.

Then it must be Logical and Just that I use the Baha'i Writings to show how both the Old and New Testament are Fulfilled?

Is that Fair? As this is what was being addressed

Nova2216 said:
Can you show me all that in the bible?

Or do you need another book?

Deut. 4:2 / 1Cor.4:6

Regards Tony

Mitty · Sep 11, 2020

The Anointed said:
Here you are Tony, just a few of many from the Tanakh, that refer to the Christ of the New Testament.

Psalms 2: 7-9; “I will announce,” says the king, “what the LORD has declared. He said to me: ‘YOU ARE MY SON TODAY I HAVE BECOME YOU FATHER. 8Ask, and I will give you all the nations; THE WHOLE EARTH WILL BE YOURS. 9 You will break them with an iron rod; you will shatter them in pieces like a clay pot.’ ”

Hebrews 5: 5; In the same way, Christ did not take upon himself the honour of being a High Priest, instead God said to him; "You are my son, TODAY I have become your Father."

Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord God our savior) has fixed a day in which he will judge the 'WHOLE WORLD' with Justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. he has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

Psalms 8: 4-6; "What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the 'SON OF MAN', that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

See Hebrews 1: 4-6; The Son was made greater than the angels, just as the name that God gave him is greater than theirs. For God never said to any of his angels: “You are my Son; today I have become your Father.”
Nor did God say about any angel, “I will be his Father, and he will be my Son.” But when God was about to send his firstborn Son into the world, he said: “All God's angels must worship him.”

Psalms 16: 9-10; And so I am thankful and glad, and I feel completely secure, 10 because you protect me from the power of death. I have served you faithfully, and you will not abandon me to the world of the dead.

Acts 2: 29-34; “My fellow-Israelites, I must speak to you plainly about our famous ancestor King David. He died and was buried, and his grave is here with us to this very day. 30He was a prophet, and he knew what God had promised him: God had made a vow that he would make one of David's descendants a king, just as David was. 31David saw what God was going to do in the future, and so he spoke about the resurrection of the Messiah when he said: ‘He was not abandoned in the world of the dead; his body did not rot in the grave.’ 32 God has raised this very Jesus from death, and we are all witnesses to this fact. He has been raised to the right-hand side of God, his Father, and has received from him the Holy Spirit, as he had promised. What you now see and hear is his gift that he has poured out on us. For it was not David who went up into heaven, etc.

Psalms 22: 1; "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me,"

Matthew 27: 45-46; At noon the whole country was covered with darkness, which lasted for three hours. At about three o'clock Jesus cried out with a loud shout, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why did you abandon me?”

Psalms 22: 18; "They gamble for my clothes and divide them among themselves.

Mark 15: 24; Then they crucified him and divided his clothes among themselves, throwing dice to see who would get which piece of clothing.

Catch ya later Tony.

Do you have any evidence to support your hypothesis that Jesus was the psalmist and wrote the psalms?

The Anointed · Sep 11, 2020

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
I see that day is here, if that is so, are you on the right or

So you used the New Testament Bible to explain those Tanakh passages. The challenge was to show Jesus in the passages without Bible Explanations.

Then it must be Logical and Just that I use the Baha'i Writings to show how both the Old and New Testament are Fulfilled?

Is that Fair? As this is what was being addressed

Regards Tony

Tony wrote....... So you used the New Testament Bible to explain those Tanakh passages. The challenge was to show Jesus in the passages without Bible Explanations.

Not so Tony. I used passages from the Tanakh to reveal that Jesus was the one being referred to in the OT.

The Baha[i writings have no relevance to the holy scriptures, much the same as the book of Mormon, just trying to cash in on the winner.

TransmutingSoul · Sep 11, 2020

The Anointed said:
Tony wrote....... So you used the New Testament Bible to explain those Tanakh passages. The challenge was to show Jesus in the passages without Bible Explanations.

Not so Tony. I used passages from the Tanakh to reveal that Jesus was the one being referred to in the OT.

The Baha[i writings have no relevance to the holy scriptures, much the same as the book of Mormon, just trying to cash in on the winner.

If I proved I can do the same with the Baha'i Writings and the Bible, my guess it would be a waste of time.

I will bail out, tired of all this tit for tat.

Goodbye for a while.

Regards Tony

The Anointed · Sep 11, 2020

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
If I proved I can do the same with the Baha'i Writings and the Bible, my guess it would be a waste of time.

I will bail out, tired of all this tit for tat.

Goodbye for a while.

Regards Tony

And you guessed right Tony. Although you will not find anything in the OT to support your belief that
your Baháʼu'lláh is the promised one prophesied by 'the Bab.'

The Baha’is, believed the Bab, to be something like John the Baptist, who paved the way for Jesus, or Elijah who is yet to come.

In I863, Baháʼu'lláh, the founder of the Baháʼí Faith, claimed to be the fulfillment of the Báb's prophecy, over one thousand eight hundred after Jesus was placed in the heavenly throne of our Father.

Give us a break mate, and give us some credit for being intelligent.

Mitty · Sep 11, 2020

The Anointed said:
Tony wrote....... So you used the New Testament Bible to explain those Tanakh passages. The challenge was to show Jesus in the passages without Bible Explanations.

Not so Tony. I used passages from the Tanakh to reveal that Jesus was the one being referred to in the OT.

The Baha[i writings have no relevance to the holy scriptures, much the same as the book of Mormon, just trying to cash in on the winner.

But you haven't provided us with any proof that Jesus was the psalmist and wrote the psalms, given that the OT verses you quoted were written in the first person and in the past and present tense and obviously refer to the psalmist and not another person.

Nova2216 · Sep 11, 2020

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
It can all be seen in the Bible, using naught but Bible Passages, but it does require a knowledge of the Spirit of Truth, that Jesus said would guide us unto all truth.

I can then rightly ask, can you show Jesus the Christ in the Tanakh without using the New Testament Message, or would you need to have accepted Jesus Message to see and show?

Or another challenge about adding to the words in the Bible, can you show a Trinity in the Bible, without using men's explanations, that are additional to the Biblical text?

Regards Tony

I think you are referring to (Jn 14:26 ; 16:13).

(John 14:26) But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Are you aware that Jesus was speaking to his apostles "ALONE"?

All we need today in the way of spiritual guidance is the word of God (the bible) (2Peter 1:3) (2Tim.3:14-17) (Jn. 8:31,32).

If the Holy Spirit needs to guide men "separate and apart from the word of God" (the bible) then the word of God is not sufficient / complete / perfect as the scriptures above teach (Jas.1:25).

If men today could do as the apostles in the first century they would have no use for the bible. (Jn 14:26)

Must you open the bible to look up certain scriptures b/c you cannot remember them?

If so, the Holy Spirit is not guiding you in the same manner as the apostles of the first century.

"ALL TRUTH" is found in the bible according to (2Peter 1:3) (Jn. 14:26 ; 16:13).

When it come to the Godhead it can easily be explained by examining the scriptures. (Jesus Baptism)

Nova2216 · Sep 11, 2020

Tony Bristow-Stagg said:
It can all be seen in the Bible, using naught but Bible Passages, but it does require a knowledge of the Spirit of Truth, that Jesus said would guide us unto all truth.

I can then rightly ask, can you show Jesus the Christ in the Tanakh without using the New Testament Message, or would you need to have accepted Jesus Message to see and show?

Or another challenge about adding to the words in the Bible, can you show a Trinity in the Bible, without using men's explanations, that are additional to the Biblical text?

Regards Tony

If the spirit must guide you into all truth '''separate and apart from the Bible" then all truth is not found in the bible.

The Anointed · Sep 11, 2020

Nova2216 said:
If the spirit must guide you into all truth '''separate and apart from the Bible" then all truth is not found in the bible.

Of course not all truth is found in the canon of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine, which was established in the fourth century, which canon contradicts the scriptures from which Paul and the apostle taught.

URAVIP2ME · Sep 11, 2020

Mitty said:
Why were spirits in graves?
And what happened to the rotting corpses after they crawled out of their graves and wandered around downtown Jerusalem (Matt 27:52-53)? Did they go elsewhere, or did they just crawl back into their graves (Matt 27:52-53)?

I find there were No 'spirits' in the graves. As verse 52 says ' bodies ' ( aka corpses) which were exposed because of the quake.
Remember: Jesus is 'first born' ( meaning resurrected ) from the dead according to Colossians 1:18.
Verses 53-54 is speaking about living people out of the graves ( leaving the cemetery ) 'after' Jesus was resurrected.
Remember: Jesus was Not resurrected the day he died - Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
So, it was the living people who left the cemetery that appeared to many others.

URAVIP2ME · Sep 11, 2020

Nova2216 said:
If the spirit must guide you into all truth '''separate and apart from the Bible" then all truth is not found in the bible.

Creation as we see physical and material creation is of course Not found in the Bible, but God's Word (Scripture ) is found in the Bible - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
Both Scripture and the material things created can be clearly observed - Romans 1:20
So, the invisible can be ' seen ' in our visible realm.
So, ALL 'religious truth' is found in Scripture according to what Jesus taught - John 17:17.

Thief · Sep 11, 2020

Fool said:
if jesus is coming, how are you going to know it's him? if you are not watching the skies constantly, how is he going to get your attention?

is 2000+ years soon enuf? fashionably late?

He will sneak up behind me....like a thief
tap me on the shoulder and ask.....

Did YOU write THIS.....about ME?

The Anointed · Sep 11, 2020

URAVIP2ME said:
I find there were No 'spirits' in the graves. As verse 52 says ' bodies ' ( aka corpses) which were exposed because of the quake.
Remember: Jesus is 'first born' ( meaning resurrected ) from the dead according to Colossians 1:18.
Verses 53-54 is speaking about living people out of the graves ( leaving the cemetery ) 'after' Jesus was resurrected.
Remember: Jesus was Not resurrected the day he died - Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
So, it was the living people who left the cemetery that appeared to many others.

Those who left their graves three days after Jesus was crucified and went into the city and revealed themselves as the risen body of Christ the anointed one, who was taken up before the flood and anointed as the heir and successor to the throne of most high in the creation, were the spirits of the righteous who were gathered to the living spirit within the bosom of Abraham, of whom the man Jesus was their compilation.

URAVIP2ME · Sep 11, 2020

Nova2216 said:
B/c people did and do misunderstand the true nature of the kingdom. It is not literal. (Jn 18:36)
John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

I find Jesus, as King of God's kingdom for a thousand years, is King/ Ruler of the literal government of Daniel 2:44.
Since all of the other kingdoms in chapter 2 are real governments ( represented by that huge political statue ) so is God's kingdom - 1 Corinthians 15:24-26.
Since Jesus rules or governs from Heaven over Earth is why his kingdom is Not of this corrupted world.
Jesus has heavenly co-rulers over Earth according to Revelation 20:6; Revelation 5:9-10; Revelation 2:10; Luke 22:28-30.

URAVIP2ME · Sep 11, 2020

The Anointed said:
Who left their graves three days after Jesus was crucified and went into the city and revealed themselves as the risen body of Christ the anointed one, who was taken up before the flood and anointed as the heir and successor to the throne of most high in the creation.

Please read Matthew 27:50-57 because it is Not 3 days 'after' Jesus' died, but it is the day Jesus died.
Christ was ' first fruits ' of the sleeping dead according to 1 Corinthians 15:20; Colossians 1:18.

Mitty · Sep 11, 2020

URAVIP2ME said:
I find there were No 'spirits' in the graves. As verse 52 says ' bodies ' ( aka corpses) which were exposed because of the quake.
Remember: Jesus is 'first born' ( meaning resurrected ) from the dead according to Colossians 1:18.
Verses 53-54 is speaking about living people out of the graves ( leaving the cemetery ) 'after' Jesus was resurrected.
Remember: Jesus was Not resurrected the day he died - Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
So, it was the living people who left the cemetery that appeared to many others.

But where does the bible say that living people were buried in their graves and arose on Good Friday and then crawled out of their graves on Sunday and walked around Jerusalem on Good Friday? Or is that story about rotting corpses arising in their graves on Good Friday just an imaginative fantasy?

The Anointed · Sep 11, 2020

URAVIP2ME said:
Please read Matthew 27:50-57 because it is Not 3 days 'after' Jesus' died, but it is the day Jesus died.
Christ was ' first fruits ' of the sleeping dead according to 1 Corinthians 15:20; Colossians 1:18.

I'm not sure if you are conversant with the English language, where is it said in Matthew 27: 51; "Then the curtain hanging in the Temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split apart, the graves broke open, (On the day that Jesus died) and many of God's people who had died were raised to life. They left the graves, and 'AFTER' let me here repeat "AFTER" Jesus rose from death, (Which was three days after he was crucified) they went into the Holy City, where many people saw them."

This was on Sunday morning, and not as some Biblical ignoramus's think that it was on good Friday.

Please, first know what you are talking about Young fellow. before you open your mouth.

URAVIP2ME · Sep 11, 2020

Mitty said:
But where does the bible say that living people were buried in their graves and then crawled out of them and then walked around Jerusalem on Good Friday? Or is that story about rotting corpses crawling out of their graves on Good Friday just an imaginative fantasy?

Please read in context Matthew 27:50-54.
The corpses of verse 52 are dead people whose 'corpses were exposed' according to Matthew 27:51-52 the day Jesus died.
Jesus was Not resurrected the day he died please read Acts of the Apostles 2:27.
No one had a resurrection before Jesus - John 3:13; Colossians 1:18; 1 Corinthians 15:20.

URAVIP2ME · Sep 11, 2020

The Anointed said:
I'm not sure if you are conversant with the English language, where is said in Matthew 27: 51; Then the curtain hanging in the Temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split apart, the graves broke open, (On the day that Jesus died) and many of God's people who had died were raised to life. They left the graves, and 'AFTER' let me here repeat "AFTER" Jesus rose from death, (Which was three days after he was crucified) they went into the Holy City, where many people saw them.
Please, first know what you are talking about Young fellow. before you open your mouth.

Ouch, what do you mean about Not knowing what you are taking about ?
On the day Jesus' died please answer where did Jesus go according to Acts of the Apostles 2:27 ______________
Please notice the time frame of Matthew 27:50-54 it is the day Jesus died. It is Not 3 days after Jesus death.
Who is the 'first one' to be resurrected according to Scripture at Colossians 1:18 and 1 Corinthians 15:20 _________________
Earthquakes do Not resurrect the dead, the quake exposed dead corpses - Matthew 27:51-52.
I find No one was resurrected before Jesus - Colossians 1:18; 1 Corinthians 15:20; John 3:13

ecco · Sep 11, 2020

Nova2216 said:
Depends if you're on the right or left on judgment day.

Oh, you mean the judgment day that has been predicted to be "any day now" "coming soon" "before the last man alive today dies"? That judgment day?

Or, perhaps you are referring to...
War of Gog and Magog

...or...
Vishnu coming back in the last cycle of time as a figure called Kulki, who rides a white horse, carries a sword that looks like a comet and destroys the forces of evil.

...or...
Gnostics predicted the imminent arrival of God’s kingdom as early as the first century.” The Shakers thought the world would be over in 1792, while the Jehovah’s Witnesses pegged various years between 1914 and 1994 as an end date.

...or...
ad nauseam

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