Mitty
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Have the leaders of Israel and the UAE also been nominated, or did Trump just pay his mate to nominate him?
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President Trump Nominated For Nobel Peace Prize
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stvdv
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That was not a bad thing, but needed. In Holland we were too tolerant regarding Muslim culture (and in Scandinavia too); when Belgium threw out a Muslim hate preacher, converting young Muslims into extremists, Holland allowed him to preach in The Haque. So it was needed that we in Europe made a clear point towards Islam. That has nothing to do with "Islamophobic", that is pure "common sense".
Americans are better fighting for themselves; they have even guns, we are not allowed, that tells enough. Just use common sense. 1 culture can only handle so much of a totally different culture, especially when an exclusive Religion is involved. Because being a democracy when it becomes 50% we get Sharia, which I definitely don't want to have. USA has far less muslims (USA 1%, Holland 5%), so they don't have this issue yet.
Since Charlie Hebdo and afterwards Pakistan Muslims threatening to Nuke Holland over a Muhammad drawing contest of which thousands of Muslims were even proud, we have good proof, that it is indeed wise to have very clear restrictions and rules to preserve our beautiful culture. Many Muslims belittle our Freedom, because Koran does not agree. Very well, that is their right, but I love our Freedom, so I am glad we have a Geert Wilders how clearly draws the line now. He is not perfect, but again needed to balance things out and thereby protect our culture.
I belief Islam is a great Religion (My Master was a Muslim, and I adore my Master), but I see quite a few big issues also, that needs to be dealt with, before they can integrate in the West. And integration, at least in Holland, is still a problem. And to me it's obviously that part of this is the Religion. When a Religion has verses of exclusiveness and superiority there can never be peace. Of course the majority are great people, that will never cause trouble. But when there are 2000 million Muslims, and 0.1% are fanatical extremists then that is 1 million. And that is a big army, especially when working as terrorist, believing to get 77 virgins when blowing themselves up.
When I see the security in USA on terrorism, then here in Holland it's paradise for them compared to the USA. So, it's needed that we also get our things in order, before it is too late. Small country gets easily messed up. USA is 20 times bigger, so it could (but would not) allow some flexibility on terrorism. Once it's there, it's hard to go back.
He did wind up in the White House on the basis of no more than the crude joke.
You know that's true.
Tom
First of all, none of this translates into anything that would merit getting a Nobel Peace Prize over. Not one single part of it, in fact.
As far as democracy being overtaken by Muslims majority's, and being thrown out in favor of Sharia law, don't you have constitutional safeguards? Furthermore, do all Muslims support Sharia law? I doubt that personally.
Yes, there is more elsewhere in the world, but bear this in mind. Do some research on the propaganda about the Jews infesting cultures, that led up to Hitler's Nazi Germany. What you are describing, sounds like an "infestation", that needs to be dealt with. That's troublesome. Certainly nothing one gets of Peace Prize over.
stvdv
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I don't think they have a safeguard, as I just recently hear a politician say "we believe in democracy, so if the majority would become Muslim, then according to democracy they of course can have Sharia Law.
And that's why I think it is good, that we have all this now, so that we can strengthen our Laws in a right way. Personally I can't imagine that Muslims would choose Sharia Law over Our Law. Our Law is soft, although now with Corona and in recent years also it seems to go a bit in the direction of USA. It's pictures I see about USA is really scary, compared to that, we live in heaven in Holland. Nobody gets ever shot almost here, while it looks like wild west in USA if I must believe the news.
That is what I do not understand. Why would extreme Muslims do terrorist attacks? They know that this will damage the Image of their own Religion. One must be a fool not to see this. And if Muslims were a large group in other countries then they would have a chance and such might be useful, but as it is now, they are in low numbers still, so the terrorists only damage Islam by their actions. And terrorists are not fools, so it makes no sense to me. I don't understand what is going on.
But they do create fear, I see that also in USA, they are like terrified of terrorism and immigrants. You have lots of white supremacy in the USA, if the news I read on the internet is not fake news. And the black discrimination is huge in the USA compared to Holland. What we see on the news about USA, they have more "infestation" than we have in Holland. So, I think we are doing pretty well here. And we sure should not follow USA with their high crime rate.
Another option could be, that extreme Muslims are not really Muslims, but maybe even a group funded by the West or ... and used to discredit Islam. That would make even make sense to me.
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Milton Platt
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If he gets it, I will lose all respect for the organization.
stvdv
Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
Maybe if he gets "Nobel Prize for Peace" he becomes Peaceful in mind...no more lies, but I won't hold my breath
Mitty
Active Member
And similarly that's why Detroit became a rust belt after Saddam Hussein was given the key to the city in 1980 and his weapons of mass destruction?
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Tambourine
Well-Known Member
Narrowly beating Henry Kissinger to the punch.
Extreme sarcasm noted. It was a one sided agreement with Palestinians left out.
Howard Is
Lucky Mud
Situation normal ?
Can I get it before the election.
Does not deserve a Nobel Prize. Pile on the betrayal of the Kurds by Trump.
Howard Is
Lucky Mud
My blood pressure just went up.
The Kurds have been so abused for so long.
The Kurdish women’s army was extraordinary. Exemplary women in every respect.
They were classified as a terrorist organisation by the Australian government.
. . . and Trump betrayed them in giving Turkey and Russia a green light to slaughter the Kurds.
Howard Is
Lucky Mud
The awful truth is that they are chess pieces in someone else’s game.
Saddam Hussein gassing thousands of them was one of the major justifications for the Iraq War, as I’m sure you remember.
The Syrians have been decimated too. An RF member I haven’t seen for a while, @Godobeyer , showed me a video of local village people taking on Isis, and it cracked me wide open.
The awful truth is . . .
. . . and Trump betrayed them in giving Turkey and Russia a green light to slaughter the Kurds. The Kurds were our allies and helped the USA with intelligence and support.
Do not change the subject and deny it.
Howard Is
Lucky Mud
I was agreeing with you !
Just one more thing Trump covets from President Obama. There was no one more surprised and embarrassed than Obama at receiving the Nobel Prize. And it was not because of anything he did, he had not been in office long enough, but for shifting the talk of hatred, 'the axil of evil, to the talk of extending peace.
