Question about meaning of the hijab

firedragon said:

I dont remember the last time we disagreed really.

Nevertheless, let me just urge you to not follow any apologetics blindly.

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I am not following it blindly, i study the texts and speak with muslims who have been muslims all their life

Amanaki said:

I am not following it blindly, i study the texts and speak with muslims who have been muslims all their life

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So which text in the Quran says "Hijab" is a "Headscalf".

Tell me what you understand by this sentence - "Hajabathu Baythi". Or please tell me what this sentence means - "Kul min Hawajibimaa"

Both are using the word Hijab. Maybe if you try and explain these simple sentences you will understand.

firedragon said:

So which text in the Quran says "Hijab" is a "Headscalf".

Tell me what you understand by this sentence - "Hajabathu Baythi". Or please tell me what this sentence means - "Kul min Hawajibimaa"

Both are using the word Hijab. Maybe if you try and explain these simple sentences you will understand.

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I believe i said that hijab is not just headscarf it means to cover up in a modest way. In my understanding the word hijab has more then one way of meaning.

Amanaki said:

I believe i said that hijab is not just headscarf it means to cover up in a modest way. In my understanding the word hijab has more then one way of meaning.

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Well, you understood it absolutely wrong.

I am asking this because you said you study the text.

Thus. Tell me what you understand by this sentence - "Hajabathu Baythi". Or please tell me what this sentence means - "Kul min Hawajibimaa"

Both are using the word Hijab. Maybe if you try and explain these simple sentences you will understand.

firedragon said:

Covering the hair something that was a sign of modesty even in the early 20th century. Even Christians used to do it. It became such a Muslim phenomena only in recent times.

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Indeed. Even Saint Paul said that women are supposed to be veiled in churches not to turn angels on (which is crazy, if you think that angels are supposed to be spiritual entities).
Confirmed by Tertullian in his work De Virginibus Velandis.

It doesn't matter which religion says it.
What is relevant is the concept.
Thinking that women's hair turn men on...and the only way to avoid this is to veil them.
It is a not normal concept, imho.

1 Corinthians 11:1-20

Any psychiatrist would confirm that Saint Paul had a very unhealthy relationship with the opposite gender. And probably due to issues of endocrinological nature.

Estro Felino said:

Indeed. Even Saint Paul said that women are supposed to be veiled in churches not to turn angels on (which is crazy, if you think that angels are supposed to be spiritual entities).
Confirmed by Tertullian in his work De Virginibus Velandis.

It doesn't matter which religion says it.
What is relevant is the concept.
Thinking that women's hair turn men on...and the only way to avoid this is to veil them.
It is a not normal concept, imho.

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Good. I dont like it either. But just because I dont like it I will not make that assumption of what's "normal" which is the anecdotal fallacy. Hope you understand.

firedragon said:

Good. I dont like it either. But just because I dont like it I will not make that assumption of what's "normal" which is the anecdotal fallacy. Hope you understand.

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I mean normal from a medical standpoint.
Which is something pretty objective.

Estro Felino said:

I mean normal from a medical standpoint.
Which is something pretty objective.

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I didnt know that medically there is a thesis that covering peoples head is unhealthy or something (if that is what you mean). Please elaborate.

Nevertheless, even if its medically proven that's not what we call "normal". But what you meant is something else. Thats fine.

firedragon said:

I didnt know that medically there is a thesis that covering peoples head is unhealthy or something (if that is what you mean). Please elaborate.

Nevertheless, even if its medically proven that's not what we call "normal". But what you meant is something else. Thats fine.

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Estro Felino said:

Read post #26

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Alles Gut

Estro Felino said:

Read post #26

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Are you referring to behavioural endocrinology? How does that relate to veiling women? I have no clue about this and I have never heard of it really so please be kind enough to point me towards some study material by psychologists or/and endocrinologists as you said.

Cheers.

Estro Felino said:

Ok my question is: what is the veil for?
Is it a uniform? A costume?

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You said the veil had some medical implication so that's why I asked that question. Nevertheless I will try to answer your question with a synopsis. I dont know if you are a brother or a sister so I will just address you neutrally.

There is a tribe in South America who live completely nude. For the women, their veil literally is when they sit to do some work or maybe make some food they cover their genitalia with their bent foot (the heal). Thats their veil. For them, that's their "normal". In Africa there is a people called the Toureg people. This tribe is strange because the men wear a veil. Men are considered beautiful and they wear a face cover revealing their eyes. Its like a scarf they use to cover their mouth. This is their "normal". Also these people consider their women to have sexual freedom. Strangely they are Muslim. To most Muslims a veil is something they wear on their head as a symbolic display of chaste behaviour called Farj in Arabic. It doesnt even cover their head properly which you would see all over Asia and in other countries like Syria, Lebanon, Tunisia etc etc. To some Muslims it is different where in they take "veil" as a lifestyle for men and women of chaste behaviour and clothing both. Men to have longer dresses be it pants or whatever but long and eyes that are not used to look at a woman twice in appreciation of beauty. Well, that's for some. For nuns in the Catholic Church the veil is a signature of their covenant with the Holy trinity and the Kirk. In Buddhism of the heenayana path the Buddhist monks be it male or female shed their hair. This is called "avarna" which means "veiling", not anavarna or unveiling. For them shaving their hair is veiling. In the United States it was normal, Christian culture to wear the veil in the 20th century.

So you ask if its a uniform or a costume? To some, it maybe, and some others, maybe not.

Cheers.