What fears atheists, that they avoid doing bad actions ?

lewisnotmiller said:

I don't avoid doing 'bad actions' because of what I fear (basically).
People who do bad actions are parasites feeding on others. I have more self respect than that, and I sleep soundly because of it.

It's worth noting that I am in a luxurious position in that I can act according to my conscience without having to watch my children starve, etc.

Context (as always) is important.

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Don't you fear loosing luxurious position ?

It seems to me that some theists spend a great deal of time fearing everyday life, worryingly about every action believing they are being judged by an authoritarian God who will punish them in the afterlife if they don't do what it says. So not only fearing death but fearing life every day they live.

And there seem to be a few who are only attempting to do good because of this fear instead of doing good because they are a decent and compassionate human being.

It is sad and thankfully not all nor many people, believers or unbelievers, actually have to torture themselves this way.

Augustus said:

Utopian ideologies that see violence as a valid tool of progress towards the utopia. The utopia itself is not violent.

Utopian ideologies that condone violence in support of their goals range from Communism to Fascism to radical Islam.

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Utopian ideologies that condone violence are not compassion-based ideologies.

When your goal is utopian, the ends always justify the means.

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I think this is more typical of conervative, conventionalist, tribal thinking. A tribal, unicultural Heimat, in my mind, is no utopia.
The end justifies the means is an anti-idealist, anti-compassion sentiment. It, and 'might makes right', are the hallmarks of the fear and hate based politics of the right, not of idealistic, compassion-based morality.

Developed morality in the sense of 'stages of moral development' relates to abstract reasoning and a focus on universal systems of justice rather than adherence to norms.

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OK, but aren't moral stages a neurological hierarchy, from fear based self restraint through adherence to norms to abstract, universal principles?

An advanced morality claims the right to know when to disobey these norms in pursuit of the greater good.

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I agree. But the rub lies in what the greater good is, and at what stage to draw the line.


On the off-chance you are interested, this book on the subject is great.




In Pfaff's view, the Romantic movement and its notion of "redemptive, utopian violence" fueled the century-long conflagration that first engulfed Europe in August 1914. A National Book Award finalist for Barbarian Sentiments: America in the New Century (1989) and a political columnist for the International Herald Tribune , Pfaff believes the death of chivalry, "a code of national and personal conduct," and the growth of totalitarian utopias were the legacy of WWI. To explore this, Pfaff closely examines six influential artists, writers and intellectuals—T.E. Lawrence, Gabriele D'Annunzio, Ernst Jünger, Willy Münzenberg, André Malraux and Arthur Koestler—"who believed themselves committed to progressive causes" and styled themselves romantic warriors; all ended up disillusioned or murdered. In crisp learned prose, Pfaff weaves a tale of men driven by a lust for power fueled by the heroic notion of human society perfected through the application of romantic ideals. Pfaff holds the classical view that human life is fundamentally tragic, and for him, these utopias necessarily devolved into cruel, murderous totalitarian regimes. He concludes that we have no worldview today to replace the belief in religious or secular progress; he vaguely argues for a reawaking of the power of virtue over idealism. At a time when war has been cast as redemptive, this book deserves to be widely read and discussed.[/QUOTE]Looks interesting. Ordered from Amazon.

Pipiripi said:

If Atheist is not a teaching, why the most knows the same? Who is the first person that have come with the idea that there is no God and have followers? Why believe in something that can proof nothing.

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There is no need to teach atheism. There is nothing to teach. Atheism is the epistemic default. You were born an atheist. Your dog is an atheist.
Did you teach your dog?

Followers? What followers? You seem to think atheism is a doctrine or organized community. It's not. It's a lack of doctrine, and there is no community.
Proof? Atheism makes no claims, so what is there to prove? It's you theists who are making a claim. The burden of proof is on you.

Christians knows that are Spirit, some good and some bad. We have the proof. Because they entered in all humans body that don't believe in God. Only in the name of Jesus and the power of the Holy Spirit they can come out. And you all have seen this before. Go on YouTube click Spirit. This spirit doesn't let you see what they are doing to humans. Christians cast them out. They speak to us. Go to God my friends there is hope.

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If you had proof it would all be common knowledge, everyone would know it, throughout the world.
Yet they don't.

Look at this statement:
An Atheist when he died, there is nothing more because there is no God. So nothing to loose.
A Christian when he died He have hope of resurrection. Because there is a God.
If we have to choose which one is better? If God exist what have you loose? Choose wise my friend.

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But we don't have to choose. The same thing will happen to a Christian, a Muslim, an atheist and a Shintoist. Our preferences will have nothing to do with it.

chinu said:

Theists, believe that if they will do something wrong like; violence, robbery, bluff, fraud etc. Definitely in return they will receive some kind of punishment, or sufferings in their current birth, or next birth, or hell, or somewhere else.

Resulted, by fearing this they avoid doing bad actions.

My question is.. What fears atheists, that they avoid doing bad actions ?

Kindly note: by asking this question I DO-NOT claim any kind of next birth, or hell etc.

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I don't do things like violence, robbery, murder, rape, etc, because I am capable of understanding that they cause harm to others and I do not wish to be the reason why other people hurt. It's called having empathy. Even if I knew I could do those things and avoid any and all punishment, I still wouldn't do them, because I know they would hurt others, and I don't want to do that.

If there's a person and they refrain from violence, robbery, etc only because they seek to avoid punishment, then that suggests that they will happily do those things if they knew they would avoid punishment. And such a person is a pretty terrible person.

wandering peacefully said:

It seems to me that some theists spend a great deal of time fearing everyday life, worryingly about every action believing they are being judged by an authoritarian God who will punish them in the afterlife if they don't do what it says. So not only fearing death but fearing life every day they live.

And there seem to be a few who are only attempting to do good because of this fear instead of doing good because they are a decent and compassionate human being.

It is sad and thankfully not all nor many people, believers or unbelievers, actually have to torture themselves this way.

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We live by human self experience and group coerced and controlled choices.

Against natural history and natural family groups and group support in that community and then extended related family communities. Our humanity.

Taken from us in concepts that males in science teach today in occultism as "beast beliefs" or Satanism concepts.

So a human says, the beast, animals are fierce and they attack and eat each other. And that beast can do the same to us. Together as a human group we must keep self safe. KNOWING we do not kill to eat for food our own bodies.

The theme Satanism was about groups in coercive behaviour who owned control by status of do as I say or I will murder you concepts. As the Satanic human "beast" concept against natural human survival.

Who placed secondary thinking capabilities, science and machines versus self.

So then sacrificed very intelligent male science lives, such as Stephen Hawking, and the King in the past Jesus owned teachings against Satanist belief/practice and want of behaviours of knowledge and wisdom in science for the destruction of life in sacrificed living conditions. For human Agreed, the "greedy" warning of the past to self, group mental conditions, cult and behaviour, coerced.

For we are all just humans, extended human family, science claim study DNA was once all the same human parents a long time ago...diversified by unnatural atmospheric conditions. Being UFO radiation/machine use of mass conversion of the STONE O GOD first God Earth body. The teachings of relativity, scientific Destroyer human group.

For human group control tells all the stories in cult/taught and human coerced storytelling beliefs, and always had done so. Human choices, human beliefs for human group purpose, by control techniques totally evil and coercive in every review of how those groups controlled thinking.

Most of which owned the threat of your own life or the life of your extended family.

And this practice is still owned today.

What the teachings about a theist/science self was about.....for it is that human group mentality that caused every problem that is being experienced in human life today....as the forced change/machine manipulator life controller that these groups are, historically and also in modern day life today.

So how do we, humans, extended real family deal with that history group coercive control and manipulation techniques and survive whilst trying to keep life alive and healthy at the same time?

The fear sacrificed body and life sickness, lived and experienced and witnessed as part of the human bio life was disappearing as we witnessed our human family losing their life. Where the fear of the occult originally came from. Natural human health in human experience.

What punishment in the afterlife meant, it was occurring in life as it was lived, but was being removed from our life, such as the Jesus attack event stigmata whilst others died but did not decompose. For those observations, dead bodies seen unchanged, when they should be decomposing due to bacteria proved that the human food, microbiome was missing out of natural Holy water.

The statements Holy put in after all attacks to quote....so never change these conditions ever again.

Holy meant identified, harmed, so the identification process stated, Holy life/Holy cell/Holy blood, as Jesus proved life was being sacrificed into the afterlife whilst living the real life.

What the medical Healer biologist teachings in science identified, historically.

chinu said:

What fears atheists, that they avoid doing bad actions ?

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I'm not afraid of doing bad. I just don't enjoy it. It harms others and I don't like harming others.

tayla said:

I'm not afraid of doing bad. I just don't enjoy it. It harms others and I don't like harming others.

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But, this sounds like.. you are afraid because such actions will harm your kind heart. Isn't it ?

chinu said:

But, this sounds like.. you are afraid because such actions will harm your kind heart. Isn't it ?

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Sorry, no fear. Just love and compassion.

tayla said:

Sorry, no fear. Just love and compassion.

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Love and compassion both attributes of great people.

So, you fear loosing your attributes ?