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Who is the Son of man who will come in the clouds of heaven?

1213

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...the Son of man is someone other than Himself ...

Sorry, I think Jesus is speaking of himself as the son of man. Reason why I think so is for example these following scriptures:

As they were coming down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no one what things they had seen, until after the Son of Man had risen from the dead.
Mark 9:9

The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man, and a drunkard; a friend of tax collectors and sinners!'
Luke 7:34

And I think this clearly connects Jesus, Christ and Son of Man:

Jesus, answering, began to tell them, "Be careful that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am he! [Literally, "I AM!"]' and will lead many astray… … Then if anyone tells you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there!' don't believe it. For there will arise false christs and false prophets, and will show signs and wonders, that they may lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones… … Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.
Mark. 13:5-6, 21-22,26

Jesus speaks in many places of himself as the son of man, not only in the return parts. But, if you don’t agree with that, then there is also this:

Jesus said to him, "If I desire that he stay until I come, what is that to you? You follow me."
John 21:22
 

The Anointed

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Sorry, I think Jesus is speaking of himself as the son of man. Reason why I think so is for example these following scriptures:

As they were coming down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no one what things they had seen, until after the Son of Man had risen from the dead.
Mark 9:9

The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man, and a drunkard; a friend of tax collectors and sinners!'
Luke 7:34

And I think this clearly connects Jesus, Christ and Son of Man:

Jesus, answering, began to tell them, "Be careful that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am he! [Literally, "I AM!"]' and will lead many astray… … Then if anyone tells you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there!' don't believe it. For there will arise false christs and false prophets, and will show signs and wonders, that they may lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones… … Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.
Mark. 13:5-6, 21-22,26

Jesus speaks in many places of himself as the son of man, not only in the return parts. But, if you don’t agree with that, then there is also this:

Jesus said to him, "If I desire that he stay until I come, what is that to you? You follow me."
John 21:22

Acts 3: 13; The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our ancestors, has given divine glory to his Servant Jesus.

The words that Jesus spoke were definitely the words of our Lord God and saviour 'The Son of Man,' who is the only begotten Son of God, and equal to God the Father in everyway.

So let me repeat post # 160.

It was the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who said to Moses in Deuteronomy 18:18-19; “----“I will send them a prophet just like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he will tell the people everything that I command him to say. And whoever will not give heed to MY WORDS which he will speak in MY NAME, I will surely punish.”

Peter reveals who that prophet was, when in Acts 3: 12; in reference to the man Jesus, Peter says; “For Moses said, ‘The Lord your God will send you a prophet just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc.”

The people of his day, knew that he was not the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but the prophet that he would choose from among the Israelites and send to speak ‘HIS WORDS’ to the people in ‘HIS NAME,’ when on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, they cried out, “Blessed is He who comes in ‘THE NAME’ of the Lord.”

Jesus spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord God and savior, ‘The Son of Man,’ who had filled him with his spirit on the day that he was baptized.

It was the ‘Son of Man,’ the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who put ‘HIS WORDS’ into the mouth of Jesus, his chosen prophet, who he sent to the people to speak ‘HIS WORDS’ in ‘HIS NAME,’ who command Jesus to say; “Destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it up.”

Who was it who raised up the body of the man Jesus, the earthly temple of the Lord?

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers (Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob) raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord God our savior) has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

And the day that our Lord has fixed in which he shall judge the whole world with Justice by means of the MAN Jesus, who He raised from death, is the Great Seventh day Sabbath of one thousand years, the future reality of which the weekly Sabbath was but a shadow. Which Sabbath day begins immediately after the great tribulation that occurs at the close of the sixth day from the day in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that DAY, at the age of 930.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Sorry, I think Jesus is speaking of himself as the son of man. Reason why I think so is for example these following scriptures:

As they were coming down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no one what things they had seen, until after the Son of Man had risen from the dead.
Mark 9:9

The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man, and a drunkard; a friend of tax collectors and sinners!'
Luke 7:34
Sorry, I think Jesus is speaking of himself as the son of man. Reason why I think so is for example these following scriptures:

As they were coming down from the mountain, he charged them that they should tell no one what things they had seen, until after the Son of Man had risen from the dead.
Mark 9:9

The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Behold, a gluttonous man, and a drunkard; a friend of tax collectors and sinners!'
Luke 7:34

And I think this clearly connects Jesus, Christ and Son of Man:

Jesus, answering, began to tell them, "Be careful that no one leads you astray. For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am he! [Literally, "I AM!"]' and will lead many astray… … Then if anyone tells you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'Look, there!' don't believe it. For there will arise false christs and false prophets, and will show signs and wonders, that they may lead astray, if possible, even the chosen ones… … Then they will see the Son of Man coming in clouds with great power and glory.
Mark. 13:5-6, 21-22,26

Jesus speaks in many places of himself as the son of man, not only in the return parts. But, if you don’t agree with that, then there is also this:

Jesus said to him, "If I desire that he stay until I come, what is that to you? You follow me."
John 21:22
As I said before, I believe that Jesus was the Son of Man, but not the Son of Man referred to in the verses that refer to the Coming of the Son of Man in the clouds.

To me it is self-evident that Jesus was referring to someone other than Himself on those verses, and I believe that was Baha'u'llah, who I believe was the return of the Son of Man, the Comforter and the Spirit of truth that Jesus promised to send from the Father. I believe that Jesus was the Comforter and Baha'u'llah was another Comforter.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for hedwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

John 16:12-14 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
 

The Anointed

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As I said before, I believe that Jesus was the Son of Man, but not the Son of Man referred to in the verses that refer to the Coming of the Son of Man in the clouds.

To me it is self-evident that Jesus was referring to someone other than Himself on those verses, and I believe that was Baha'u'llah, who I believe was the return of the Son of Man, the Comforter and the Spirit of truth that Jesus promised to send from the Father. I believe that Jesus was the Comforter and Baha'u'llah was another Comforter.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for hedwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

John 16:12-14 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

Trailblazer wrote...... To me it is self-evident that Jesus was referring to someone other than Himself on those verses.

And you are correct in stating that Jesus was referring to someone other than Himself in those verses, but let me assure you that it is not Baha'u'llah, who you believe is the return of the Son of Man.

Unless of course you believe that your Baha'u'lla can fulfill the following scriptures which refer to the greatest tribulation this world has ever experienced, the war to end all wars, that is to occur immediately before the Great Sabbath of one thousand years, in which the Lord God our savior, will judge the whole world with justice by means of a 'MAN" he has 'CHOSEN.' Of who he has given proof to everyone, by raising that 'MAN' from death. See Acts 17: 31.

Zechariah 14: The Lord will gather all the nations together to make war on Jerusalem. The city will be taken, the houses Looted, and the women raped. Half the people will go into exile, but the rest of them will not be taken away from the city. Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he has fought in times Past. (This has not yet happened)

Numbers 24: 17, "A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors." Zechariah 12: 10; "They will look upon me and see the one who they pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child etc."

Isaiah 63: 1-6, "Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?" It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. "Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?" . . . . . The Lord answers, "I have trampled the nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I DECIDED THAT THE TIME TO SAVE MY PEOPLE HAD COME; it was time to punish their enemies. I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them, I poured out their life’s blood on the earth."
 

The Anointed

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And yet another thing Baha'is don't believe in. They say he rose "symbolically" not physically.

Luke 24: 36-43; While the two (Cleophas the carpenter and his son Simeon) were telling them this, suddenly the Lord himself stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”

They were terrified, thinking that they were seeing a ghost. But he said to them, “Why are you alarmed? Why are these doubts coming up in your minds? Look at my hands and my feet, and see that it is I myself. Feel me, and you will know, for a ghost doesn't have flesh and bones, as you can see I have.”

He said this and showed them his hands and his feet. They still could not believe, they were so full of joy and wonder; so he asked them, “Have you anything here to eat?” They gave him a piece of cooked fish, which he took and ate in their presence.

So, who cares what those who reject the words of our Lord as spoken through his servant 'Jesus,' believe or don't believe?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
And you are correct in stating that Jesus was referring to someone other than Himself in those verses, but let me assure you that it is not Baha'u'llah, who you believe is the return of the Son of Man.

Unless of course you believe that your Baha'u'lla can fulfill the following scriptures which refer to the greatest tribulation this world has ever experienced, the war to end all wars, that is to occur immediately before the Great Sabbath of one thousand years, in which the Lord God our savior, will judge the whole world with justice by means of a 'MAN" he has 'CHOSEN.' Of who he has given proof to everyone, by raising that 'MAN' from death. See Acts 17: 31.
Yep, Baha'u'llah either already fulfilled all the Bible prophecies for the return of Christ and the coming of the Messiah. The remainder of the prophecies will be fulfilled during this age, which Baha'is refer to as the Age of Fulfillment, also known as the Messianic Age or the Golden Age.

“God’s purpose is none other than to usher in, in ways He alone can bring about, and the full significance of which He alone can fathom, the Great, the Golden Age of a long-divided, a long-afflicted humanity. Its present state, indeed even its immediate future, is dark, distressingly dark. Its distant future, however, is radiant, gloriously radiant—so radiant that no eye can visualize it………

What we witness at the present time, during “this gravest crisis in the history of civilization,” recalling such times in which “religions have perished and are born,” is the adolescent stage in the slow and painful evolution of humanity, preparatory to the attainment of the stage of manhood, the stage of maturity, the promise of which is embedded in the teachings, and enshrined in the prophecies, of Bahá’u’lláh. The tumult of this age of transition is characteristic of the impetuosity and irrational instincts of youth, its follies, its prodigality, its pride, its self-assurance, its rebelliousness, and contempt of discipline.”
The Promised Day Is Come, pp. 116-117


God’s Purpose
 

1213

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...and I believe that was Baha'u'llah, who I believe was the return of the Son of Man, the Comforter and the Spirit of truth that Jesus promised to send from the Father. I believe that Jesus was the Comforter and Baha'u'llah was another Comforter.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; ..
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But according to the Bible, the other comforter is the Holy Spirit, the spirit of the truth. I don’t see how that would fit to the idea of Baha'u'llah.

Maybe you said already, but please tell, why do you think Baha'u'llah is the other comforter?
 

Trailblazer

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But according to the Bible, the other comforter is the Holy Spirit, the spirit of the truth. I don’t see how that would fit to the idea of Baha'u'llah.

Maybe you said already, but please tell, why do you think Baha'u'llah is the other comforter?
In short, it is a Baha’i belief that the Comforter (Advocate, Counselor, etc.) are titles for the man who brings the Holy Spirit. So Jesus was a Comforter and Baha’u’llah was another Comforter.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

Another way of understanding this is to say that the Comforter is the Holy Spirit that God sent to Jesus and Baha’u’llah, and they brought the Holy Spirit to humanity.

To understand you need to understand what Baha’is believe about the Holy Spirit.

Question.—What is the Holy Spirit?

Answer.—The Holy Spirit is the Bounty of God and the luminous rays which emanate from the Manifestations; for the focus of the rays of the Sun of Reality was Christ, and from this glorious focus, which is the Reality of Christ, the Bounty of God reflected upon the other mirrors which were the reality of the Apostles. The descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles signifies that the glorious divine bounties reflected and appeared in their reality. Moreover, entrance and exit, descent and ascent, are characteristics of bodies and not of spirits—that is to say, sensible realities enter and come forth, but intellectual subtleties and mental realities, such as intelligence, love, knowledge, imagination and thought, do not enter, nor come forth, nor descend, but rather they have direct connection.


Some Answered Questions, p. 108

25: THE HOLY SPIRIT

I want to point out that I am very proficient in the Christians beliefs regarding the Holy Spirit and the return of Christ, since I have been posting to Christians on forums for about seven years. Correct me if I am wrong about your beliefs, but most Christians believe that the Holy Spirit was sent at Pentecost once and for all time. Baha’is also believe that the Holy Spirit was sent at Pentecost, but we believe it was sent again in the last days that we are now living in, and that is in the Bible.

Acts 2:2-4 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

In that same chapter in which we find the Pentecost account, we have these verses, indicating that God again poured out His Spirit upon all flesh:

Acts 2:17-21And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke: The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come: And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

All these wonders in the heavens and signs on the earth happened before Baha’u’llah appeared, and thus He fulfilled the prophecies for the Return of Christ (the return of the Son of Man).

Revelation 6 The Sixth Seal: Terror
12 I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; 13 and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. 14 The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.…

Mark 13 The Return of the Son of Man
24 "But in those days, after that tribulation, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, 25 AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. 26 "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory.…

Matthew 24 The Return of the Son of Man
…28 "Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. 29 "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.…


The following are some excerpts taken from the book Thief in the Night by William Sears (link cited below):

“In the Book of Revelation, it promised that one from the seed of Abraham would unseal the Books in the last days. This Lamb of God was pictured in the visions as having seven eyes. These seven eyes were said to be the seven spirits (religions) of God that He had sent forth into the world up to that time. It was to be the Books of these seven great religions that the Messiah would unseal. Strangely enough, I had learned that up to the time of the coming of the Bahá’í Faith, there had been exactly seven great revealed religions. This story is told elsewhere in this volume.

When this Lamb of God, according to the sixth chapter of Revelation, opened the Books and unsealed their meaning, one of the seals which He broke open concerned the signs which would be written in the heavens. These signs would appear prior to the days or years of His coming. These signs, given in Revelation, were the signs that the millennial scholars searched through history to find during their 1844 enthusiasm.

The Book of Revelation prophesied:

1. “… and, lo, there was a great earthquake.” (Revelation 6:12.)

This was the first sign that was to appear.

2. “… and the sun became black as sack-cloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;” (Revelation 6:12.)

This was to be the second sign.

3. “And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.” (Revelation 6:13.)

This was the third sign that was to appear. This was the final promise, and would be seen just before the coming of the Messiah in the last days.

Bahá’u’lláh wrote of these signs in the heavens in his Book of Certitude, saying that the meanings hidden in such words as those of Revelation were symbolical, although in some cases they had an outward physical fulfilment as well. Bahá’u’lláh’s explanation of their true inner meaning is given in the Wine of Astonishment in the chapter When the stars fall from heaven.

I discovered many interesting events unearthed by the millennial scholars and leading up to the year 1844. Some of them were quite astonishing. Others were certainly dramatic. These happenings caused a great stir among the people of those days.

The signs of Revelation that would appear in succession, leading up to the day of the return of Christ were, in order:

1. The great earthquake
2. The darkening of the sun and the moon
3. The falling of the stars from the heavens

All of this happened before Baha’u’llah came.

“As we look, we find the events recorded (in Revelation), following on in the order predicted.” (Our Day in the Light of Prophecy, Spicer, p. 77.) These events which he listed were as follows:

1. The Lisbon earthquake, 1755. 1755 Lisbon earthquake
2. The Dark Day, 1780. New England's Dark Day
3. The Falling Stars, 1833. The Falling of the Stars

It is interesting to note that the great star-fall came on the night of 12 November, which is the birthday of Bahá’u’lláh.

Excerpts from: http://bahai-library.com/pdf/s/sears_thief_night.pdf

(Continued on next post)
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
But according to the Bible, the other comforter is the Holy Spirit, the spirit of the truth. I don’t see how that would fit to the idea of Baha'u'llah.

Maybe you said already, but please tell, why do you think Baha'u'llah is the other comforter?
Another reason I believe that Baha’u’llah was the Comforter and the Spirit of truth is because He made that claim in His Writings, and that fits perfectly with what is in the New Testament, if you understand it as Baha’is do.,

In short, Baha’is believe that Baha’u’llah was the return of the Spirit of Christ with a new name given (Rev 2:17, Rev 3:12). Below are some excerpts from various Tablets in which He made that claim.

“O kings of Christendom! Heard ye not the saying of Jesus, the Spirit of God, “I go away, and come again unto you”? Wherefore, then, did ye fail, when He did come again unto you in the clouds of heaven, to draw nigh unto Him, that ye might behold His face, and be of them that attained His Presence? In another passage He saith: “When He, the Spirit of Truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 246

“We, in truth, have sent Him Whom We aided with the Holy Spirit (Jesus Christ) that He may announce unto you this Light that hath shone forth from the horizon of the will of your Lord, the Most Exalted, the All-Glorious, and Whose signs have been revealed in the West. Set your faces towards Him (Bahá’u’lláh) on this Day which God hath exalted above all other days, and whereon the All-Merciful hath shed the splendour of His effulgent glory upon all who are in heaven and all who are on earth.”
Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 18

“Ye make mention of Me, and know Me not. Ye call upon Me, and are heedless of My Revelation…. O people of the Gospel! They who were not in the Kingdom have now entered it, whilst We behold you, in this day, tarrying at the gate. Rend the veils asunder by the power of your Lord, the Almighty, the All-Bounteous, and enter, then, in My name My Kingdom. Thus biddeth you He Who desireth for you everlasting life…” Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 91

“The Word which the Son concealed is made manifest. It hath been sent down in the form of the human temple in this day. Blessed be the Lord Who is the Father! He, verily, is come unto the nations in His most great majesty.” Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 84-85

“This is, truly, that which the Spirit of God (Jesus Christ) hath announced, when He came with truth unto you, He with Whom the Jewish doctors disputed, till at last they perpetrated what hath made the Holy Spirit to lament, and the tears of them that have near access to God to flow….” Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 19

“WE, verily, have come for your sakes, and have borne the misfortunes of the world for your salvation. Flee ye the One Who hath sacrificed His life that ye may be quickened? Fear God, O followers of the Spirit (Jesus), and walk not in the footsteps of every divine that hath gone far astray… Open the doors of your hearts. He Who is the Spirit (Jesus) verily, standeth before them.”
Proclamation of Bahá’u’lláh, p, 92
 

1213

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Another reason I believe that Baha’u’llah was the Comforter and the Spirit of truth is because He made that claim in His Writings, and that fits perfectly with what is in the New Testament, if you understand it as Baha’is do.,

In short, Baha’is believe that Baha’u’llah was the return of the Spirit of Christ with a new name given (Rev 2:17, Rev 3:12). ...

Interesting, I just want to say that in the Bible, the Holy Spirit is spirit that is in disciples of Jesus.
 

1213

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....Correct me if I am wrong about your beliefs, but most Christians believe that the Holy Spirit was sent at Pentecost once and for all time. Baha’is also believe that the Holy Spirit was sent at Pentecost, but we believe it was sent again in the last days ...

I think we have been living the last days about 2000 years. And by what the Bible tells, Holy Spirit is promised for all disciples of Jesus who ask it:

If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?
Luke 11:13

That has been available since Jesus came on earth.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Interesting, I just want to say that in the Bible, the Holy Spirit is spirit that is in disciples of Jesus.
I fully agree. The focus of the rays of the Holy Spirit was Christ, and from Christ the Holy Spirit reflected upon the Apostles, who mirrored forth the Holy Spirit. As that passage I quoted said, the descent of the Holy Spirit upon the Apostles means that the glorious divine bounties reflected and appeared in their reality, which is their soul. Baha'is do not believe that the Holy Spirit lived inside their bodies, because the Holy Spirit does not descend into the body.

This short chapter explains how Baha’is believe the Holy Spirit descended upon the disciples of Christ:
24: THE DESCENT OF THE HOLY SPIRIT UPON THE APOSTLES
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I think we have been living the last days about 2000 years. And by what the Bible tells, Holy Spirit is promised for all disciples of Jesus who ask it:

If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him?
Luke 11:13

That has been available since Jesus came on earth.
I agree that the Holy Spirit has been available in the world since Jesus appeared.

Baha’u’llah explained the effect Jesus had upon the world when He sacrificed Himself on the cross and released the Holy Spirit into the world.

“Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 85-86


The Holy Spirit is necessary for the advancement of humanity so humanity would never have advanced to where it is today if Jesus had not brought and released the Holy Spirit into the world. The world would have become dead and cold by now.

“The world of humanity cannot advance through mere physical powers and intellectual attainments; nay, rather, the Holy Spirit is essential. The divine Father must assist the human world to attain maturity. The body of man is in need of physical and mental energy but his spirit requires the life and fortification of the Holy Spirit. Without its protection and quickening the human world would be extinguished. His Holiness Jesus Christ declared, “Let the dead bury their dead.” He also said, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the spirit is spirit.” It is evident therefore according to His Holiness that the human spirit which is not fortified by the presence of the Holy Spirit is dead and in need of resurrection by that divine power; otherwise though materially advanced to high degrees man cannot attain full and complete progress.” Bahá’í World Faith, pp. 241-242

Baha’is believe that when Baha’u’llah appeared He released the Holy Spirit into the world again; you could say He refreshed or renewed the Holy Spirit, since it waned over time.
 

The Anointed

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Yep, Baha'u'llah either already fulfilled all the Bible prophecies for the return of Christ and the coming of the Messiah. The remainder of the prophecies will be fulfilled during this age, which Baha'is refer to as the Age of Fulfillment, also known as the Messianic Age or the Golden Age.

“God’s purpose is none other than to usher in, in ways He alone can bring about, and the full significance of which He alone can fathom, the Great, the Golden Age of a long-divided, a long-afflicted humanity. Its present state, indeed even its immediate future, is dark, distressingly dark. Its distant future, however, is radiant, gloriously radiant—so radiant that no eye can visualize it………

What we witness at the present time, during “this gravest crisis in the history of civilization,” recalling such times in which “religions have perished and are born,” is the adolescent stage in the slow and painful evolution of humanity, preparatory to the attainment of the stage of manhood, the stage of maturity, the promise of which is embedded in the teachings, and enshrined in the prophecies, of Bahá’u’lláh. The tumult of this age of transition is characteristic of the impetuosity and irrational instincts of youth, its follies, its prodigality, its pride, its self-assurance, its rebelliousness, and contempt of discipline.”
The Promised Day Is Come, pp. 116-117


God’s Purpose

The only prophecy that your Baha'u'llah has fulfilled, is that he is one of the many who would appear claiming to be the comforter that would be sent.

Zechariah 14: The Lord will gather all the nations together to make war on Jerusalem. The city will be taken, the houses Looted, and the women raped. Half the people will go into exile, but the rest of them will not be taken away from the city. Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he has fought in times Past. (This has not yet happened)

Will the followers of Baha'u'llah be among those who surround Jerusalem?

Numbers 24: 17, "A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors." Zechariah 12: 10; "They will look upon me and see the one who they pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child etc."

Isaiah 63: 1-6, "Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?" It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. "Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?" . . . . . The Lord answers, "I have trampled the nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I DECIDED THAT THE TIME TO SAVE MY PEOPLE HAD COME; it was time to punish their enemies. I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them, I poured out their life’s blood on the earth."

Will you be with the Lord when this happens, or will you be against him?

Trailblazer wrote...... What we witness at the present time, during “this gravest crisis in the history of civilization,”

My dear friend, no one has yet seen the gravest crisis in the history of civilization, this will occur during the greatest tribulation that this world has ever experienced, the war to end all wars, and if not for the intervention of the Lord God our Savior, no flesh would survive. That will usher in the golden age of one thousand years of peace and posterity in which the Lord will judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN Form death, See Acts 17: 31.

And that man is not 'The Bab' nor any follower of Baha'u'llah, but the Lord Jesus Christ.
 
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Trailblazer

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The only prophecy that your Baha'u'llah has fulfilled, is that he is one of the many who would appear claiming to be the comforter that would be sent.
But logically speaking, just because many men came claiming to be the Comforter or the return of Christ, that does not mean that Baha'u'llah was not the Comforter that Jesus promised to send and the return of Christ.

If you have any interest in knowing what prophecies Baha'u'llah fulfilled by His coming, you can read the book entitled Thief in the Night by William Sears

All Christians interpret the Bible differently, and that is why there are so many different beliefs about the "end times" and the Kingdom of God on earth. BECAUSE all Christians interpret the Bible differently there is no reason to believe any one Christian has the correct interpretation and thus knows what is going to actually transpire. This is logic 101 stuff.
 

CG Didymus

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So, who cares what those who reject the words of our Lord as spoken through his servant 'Jesus,' believe or don't believe?
Apparently... you do. Then each of you proceed in showing how the other person is wrong. And yes, I agree with you. Baha'is have many beliefs that are wrong. But... I agree with them that so do Christians.

And you are correct in stating that Jesus was referring to someone other than Himself in those verses, but let me assure you that it is not Baha'u'llah,

The only prophecy that your Baha'u'llah has fulfilled, is that he is one of the many who would appear claiming to be the comforter that would be sent.

He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN Form death, See Acts 17: 31.

And that man is not 'The Bab' nor any follower of Baha'u'llah, but the Lord Jesus Christ.
Both Baha'is and Christians are expecting lots of bad things to happen. Christians say that those things happen before Jesus comes, and Baha'is say some bad things happened, then Baha'u'llah came, got rejected, died, and now more bad things will happen until the world realizes that what he taught is the truth, and we need to turn to the Baha'i Faith.
 

The Anointed

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But logically speaking, just because many men came claiming to be the Comforter or the return of Christ, that does not mean that Baha'u'llah was not the Comforter that Jesus promised to send and the return of Christ.

If you have any interest in knowing what prophecies Baha'u'llah fulfilled by His coming, you can read the book entitled Thief in the Night by William Sears

All Christians interpret the Bible differently, and that is why there are so many different beliefs about the "end times" and the Kingdom of God on earth. BECAUSE all Christians interpret the Bible differently there is no reason to believe any one Christian has the correct interpretation and thus knows what is going to actually transpire. This is logic 101 stuff.

I am more interested in knowing what prophecies Baha'u'llah did not fulfill by His coming.

One of the worst tribulations that the earth has suffered in recent times occurred some 75,000 years ago with the Toba super eruption, which was a super volcanic eruption that occurred sometime between 69,000 and 77,000 years ago at Lake Toba (Sumatra Indonesia). It is recognised as one of earth’s largest eruptions.

Thousands of cubic kilometres of material would have been blasted out into the stratosphere blocking out the light all over the world, turning the sun and moon into huge blood red orbs and causing the earth’s temperature to drop some 21% and it would possibly have been a thousand years, before rainbows could form in our atmosphere again.

The related catastrophe theory holds that this event plunged the planet into a 6 to 10 year volcanic winter and possibly an additional 1,000 year cooling episode.

It was the prophet Zephaniah through whom the Lord said; "I am going to destroy everything 'ON EARTH', All human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy mankind and no survivors will be left. I the Lord have spoken. . . . . . . . . "On the day when the Lord shows his fury, not even all their gold and silver will save them. The whole 'EARTH' will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end----a sudden end----to everyone who lives 'ON EARTH.' "

The weekly Sabbath, said Paul, in Colossians 2: 17; was but a shadow of the reality in the future, which is the Great Sabbath, the Lords day of one thousand years.

Zechariah 14: The Lord will gather all the nations together to make war on Jerusalem. The city will be taken, the houses Looted, and the women raped. Half the people will go into exile, but the rest of them will not be taken away from the city. Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he has fought in times Past. (This has not yet happened)

Numbers 24: 17, "A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors." Zechariah 12: 10; "They will look upon me and see the one who they pierced, and they shall mourn for him as one mourns for an only child etc."

Isaiah 63: 1-6, "Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?" It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. "Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?" . . . . . The Lord answers, "I have trampled the nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I DECIDED THAT THE TIME TO SAVE MY PEOPLE HAD COME; it was time to punish their enemies.

I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them, I poured out their life’s blood on the earth."

See Zechariah 14. The Lord will come to fight for his people Israel as he has fought in times past and from within the inner most sanctuary of his tabernacle (The kingdom of God is within you) which temporary tabernacle is the body of mankind, he will fight the enemies of Israel; those Nations who surround Jerusalem in their attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea.

The African tectonic plate in its northern migration, grinds against the Arabian plate in a line that runs up through the Red Sea and along the Jordon valley beneath the Mount of Olives.

Zechariah 14: 3-4; Then the Lord will go out and fight for his people as he has fought in times past. At that time, he will stand on the Mount of Olives, to the east of Jerusalem. Then the Mount of Olives will be split in two, from east to west by a large valley. Half of the mountain (On the African plate) will move northward, and half of it (On the Arabian plate) will move southward.

Zechariah 14: 6; And it shall come to pass in that day, (The Lord’s Day of one thousand years) that the light shall not be clear or dark: and it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that evening time it shall be light. On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter. The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.

Could the violent activity around the earth at this time, be the trigger that will cause the super volcano beneath Yellow stone to erupt, enveloping the planet in a cloud of debris? And that day shall be neither day nor night, but a perpetual twilight.

What did Jesus say concerning that day? "Pray that your flight be not in winter, (The nuclear/volcanic winter) and woe unto the women who are pregnant in those days.

Zechariah 14: 13; Then the Lord will throw those nations that surround Jerusalem, into a state of total confusion, and the weapons of destruction with which they would destroy Israel, he will cause them to turn upon their own allies and they shall suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh, cooked to the bone, will slide from their bodies while still standing. Then all the surviving Nations will send their representatives each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship and pay tribute to the Lord who will rule the whole world with justice for a thousand years, and woe betide those who refuse to do so.

Then all the godless people of this world, and all those, who in their Synagogues, Mosques, and Cathedrals of stone, marble, or crystal, who prostate themselves on the floors or who sing and dance with their eyes and hands raised to the heavens in worship of a god they neither know or understand, will bow down and worship THE God of the Bible, the Most High in the creation, ‘The Son of Man’ who evolves from the body of mankind.

It is in that thousand years of peace that all our resources will be used to prepare for the ultimate destruction of all physical life forms that remain on this planet. Knowing that which is to occur after the one thousand year Sabbath, when heavenly fire incinerate the surface of the earth, with the great wealth that will be paid in tribute by the nations of the world during that thousand year rule of our king and high priest, genetic banks of all physical life forms will be created, (The Ark) and sent to a place of safety in order that when the incinerated earth is once again able to sustain physical life forms, Plants will be planted, animals will be created anew, and when the system for the sustainability of mankind has been put in place, the Lord, our brother, king, and high priest will say, "And now, let us make man in our image and likeness." And a new and more, humble Race of men will people this earth.

"Under the guidance of Jupiter (Planet) man prepares, by means of religious exercises, for the journey to the life beyond, and he attains rest under the influence of Saturn." (Basra Encyclopedia)- De Boer, Philosophy in Islam, p 88.

The water ocean on Enceladus, a moon that orbits the planet Saturn, is about 6 miles (10 kilometers) deep and lies beneath a shell of ice 19 to 25 miles (30 to 40 km) thick, researchers said. Further, it's in direct contact with a rocky seafloor, theoretically making possible all kinds of complex chemical reactions — such as, perhaps, the kind that led to the rise of life on Earth.

"The world being melted and re-entered into the bosom of Jupiter, this God continues for some time totally concentered in himself: . . . afterwards we see a new world spring from him, perfect in all its parts; animals are produced anew; an innocent race of man is formed under more favourable auspices, in order to people this earth." " Seneca, Epist, 9, and Qucest. Nat. L. 3, c, ult.

I have the words of the Lord, what need have I for the words of one of the many false prophets who claim to be the comforter sent by God?
 

The Anointed

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Continued from post #178.

Could an eruption such as Yellowstones ‘Super volcano,’ be more of a blessing, than a curse, could a protective shield around the earth to protect us from increased heavenly radiation for a period of time, be established, to give us time to prepare for the ultimate end of all physical life forms that remain on this planet, and if so how?

The huge column of molten rock that feeds Yellowstone's "super volcano" dives deeper and fills a magma chamber 20 percent bigger than previous estimates, scientists say. The finding, based on the most detailed model yet of the region's geologic plumbing, suggests that Yellowstone's magma chamber contains even more fuel for a future "super eruption" than anyone had suspected.

The model shows that a 45-mile-wide (72-kilometer-wide) plume of hot, molten rock rises to feed the super volcano from at least 410 miles (660 kilometers) beneath Earth's surface. The deepest part of the plume actually sits beneath the town of Wisdom, Montana, about 150 miles (241 kilometers) from Yellowstone National Park, a steady flow of hot rock in Earth's upper mantle causes the plume to drift to the southeast, where it fills a magma chamber that sits just 3.7 to 10 miles (5.9 to 16 kilometers) beneath Yellowstone.

Other new data show that Yellowstone's magma chamber extends 13 miles (21 kilometers) farther to the northeast than previously thought. Scientists had already known that Yellowstone is a volcanic hot spot, and that within the past two million years, the region has seen three mammoth eruptions at intervals of about 600,000 years, and it is 640,000 years since it’s last eruption. Such events it is said, can produce at least 77 cubic miles (360 cubic kilometers) of basalt: enough to bury Washington, D.C., under nearly 7,200 feet (2,200 meters) of solidified lava.

The ground beneath Yellowstone is said to be 74cm higher today than it was in 1923, which indicates a massive swelling beneath the Park. Scientists believe that the reservoir of Magma is filling at an alarming rate and as that volcano erupts with an average cycle of 600,000 years and the last eruption was more than 640,000 years ago we are overdue for annihilation.

Forget about the death total within the immediate period of the explosive eruption, but just imagine what happens to our communication and ground and air transport systems, fuel supplies, power grids, atomic power stations spewing out radiation into the atmosphere, etc, etc.

What did Jesus say concerning that day? "Pray that your flight be not in winter, (The nuclear/volcanic winter) and woe unto the women who are pregnant in those days, perhaps the evolutionary son of man, came from mutants that are to be born in those days.

Zechariah 14: 6; And it shall come to pass in that day, (The Lord’s Day of one thousand years) that the light shall not be clear or dark: and it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that evening time it shall be light. On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter. The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.

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Could the Great prophesied war in the Middle East be the trigger to set off the volcano beneath Yellowstone, bringing in a thousand- year period of twilight in which rainbows can't form in our atmosphere? And when, according to Isaiah 65: 20, "If one were to die during that period at the age of 100, they would be but a child.

In that day says Isaiah, the lion will lay down with the sheep and all people will live out their full life span. A hundred-year old person will be considered to be but a child etc.

Revelation 20: 7-9: It is after the thousand year rule of Christ has ended (How long after? Nobody knows.) that the last trumpet will sound and the fire from heaven descends and incinerates the surface of this planet as prophesied by Zephaniah.

In dream I saw the heavens ablaze with balls of fire
Huge hailstones that were burning and streaking down the skies
The earth was clothed in purples, dark orange, and deep blue
Like a swaddling cloth surrounding us that hid the stars from veiw
Dark clouds rose from the mountain peaks, earth's veins were opened wide
Through which her inner blood spewed forth in streams of living fire
Whole continents, they heaved and tossed, waves rippled through the ground
In all the earth, no hiding place of safety could be found
The oceans boiled, they foamed and rose destroying cities on their shores
All the river dams were busted, valley towns were seen no more
The power stations of the earth--all were melted down
A few survivors of the human race were all that could be found
And then I saw the winter, a winter so severe
It lasted not a few short months, but many, many, years
And the women who were pregnant, Ahh, the children that they bore
Grotesque and hideous malformations, I pray to see that sight no more
Then when the winter lifted and the crops began to grow
A strange and eerie world emerged from the destruction and the snow
A world with neither day nor night where rainbows couldn't form
In the atmosphere above the earth, and yet the air was strangely warm
A thousand years of twilight and through that swaddling band on high
Three blood red giants were blazing through a hazed and orange sky
The sun and moon had turned to blood, but far brighter than the moon
Was Jupiter, that heavenly light, which in time would spell man's doom.

This is from a documentary on Yellowstone where scientists in the field of volcanic activity speak of that particular hot spot.

The volume of Yellowstone"s magmatic system is about twenty to twenty thousand cubic kilometres. It is about eighty kilometres long, forty kilometres wide, and eight kilometres deep. In other words, the magma chamber is over three times the size of New York City. Steve Parks believes that if a Super eruption occurred tomorrow, the consequences would be catastrophic. An area the size of a continent would be utterly devastated and the planet would suffer server effects for years after.

Looking at the recent eruptive history of Yellowstone said Bill Mcguire, there’s been minor eruptions every twenty to thirty thousand years, but nothing’s been seen for some seventy thousand years, which suggests that something might be overdue. He reckons that another Super eruption somewhere on the earth is an absolute certainty, whether it will be at Yellowstone is still questionable, but there is a reasonable chance there will be. Super eruptions have occurred throughout earth’s history and they aint going to stop now.

A new cycle of Super eruptions began over two million years ago when the hot spot arrived under Yellowstone. Since then there have been two more Super eruptions at Yellowstone. One point 3 million years ago and the other six hundred and forty thousand years ago. Disturbingly, these eruptions appear to be in a cycle of between six to seven hundred thousand years and the last one was six hundred and forty thousand years ago.

[Quote Bill Mcguire]: We could have an eruption next year, or we may have to wait many thousands of years to come. Now I would not be surprised if there were another eruption in my life time, but I would also not be surprised if there were not.

Professor Bill Mcguire was born in 1954 and is Professor of Geohazards at University College London and is Britain’s leading volcanologists. He has a PhD in Geology from Liton College of Higher Education, now the University of Bedfordshire in the 1980s, former home of well known TV geologist Iain Stewart. He was then appointed Reader at Cheltham & Gloucester College of Higher Education, which is now the University of Gloucester, and made it into the university sector in the 1990s when he was appointed Professor of Geohazards and Director of the Aon Benfield UCL Hazard Research Centre at University College London.

The two-episode documentary that I referred to, reveals the cutting-edge research that informed the drama. Where the experts who monitor the behaviour of the Yellowstone supervolcano, and who face the awesome responsibility of predicting when the next super-eruption might next take place - and advising on what will happen when it does. The programme goes behind the scenes to reveal the work being done to try to understand the sequence of events that could one day culminate in this apocalypse, and to calculate the global fallout that would follow it.

The commentators and those who worked behind the scenes of this documentary, were Allisdair, the voice of the narrator, Bill Mcguire whose qualification have been given, Jake Lowenstern from the Yellowstone Observatory, Steve Sparks of the university of Bristol, Hank Heasler who was/is the Co-ordinator scientist, Yellowstone National Park, Bob Smith a professor from the University of Utah, plus others.

In 2005, a large object beyond Pluto was observed in the Kuiper belt. There are astronomers today who think that there might be another planet or companion star orbiting the Sun far beyond the orbit of Pluto. This distant planet/companion star may or may not exist. The hypothesized origin of this hypothetical object is that a celestial object, perhaps a hard-to-detect cool, brown dwarf star (called Nemesis), was captured by the Sun's gravitational field. This planet is hypothesized to exist because of the unexplained clumping of some long-period comet's orbits. The orbits of these far-reaching comets seem to be affected by the gravitational pull of a distant, Sun-orbiting object.

Jupiter is the largest planet in our solar system, it contains some 75 percent of the entire mass of our system excluding the sun, Jupiter is condensing year by year and radiates more energy than it receives from the sun. But Jupiter which is like our solar systems vacuum cleaner, as seen when the comet, Shoemaker-levi9 which had been fragmented by Jupiter’s gravitational force, ended up slamming into the planet which, as yet, does not have the required Mass to form into a brown dwarf itself and threaten the life on earth, but who knows what may happen in the future.

When Jupiter was first formed, it was about twice its current diameter, and today, Jupiter shrinks by about 2 cm each year and radiates more heat than it receives from the Sun. This additional heat is generated by the Kelvin–Helmholtz mechanism through contraction. Although Jupiter would need to be about 75 times as massive to fuse hydrogen and become a star, the smallest red dwarf is only about 30 percent larger in radius than Jupiter.

The planet Jupiter was also called the star ‘Tishtar.’ What heavenly body could possibly eclipse three quarters of Jupiter, leaving only a brilliant crescent, much like the moon appears in it first and last quarters, or like the horns of a bull. “

“I will call upon the star ‘Tishtar,’ the brilliant, the glorious; at the time when it is in the form of a BULL with golden horns, I call it most.” (Vendidad, (PahlavI), XIX. 126) ---Haug, Essays, p. 389.
 

Trailblazer

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I am more interested in knowing what prophecies Baha'u'llah did not fulfill by His coming.
There are two classifications of Bible prophecies:

1. Prophecies that were fulfilled by the COMING of Baha'u'llah (what happened before He appeared, what happened while He was alive on earth, and what happened during the first years after he died.)
All these prophecies were fulfilled by Baha'u'llah or as the result of His coming.

2. Prophecies that will be fulfilled during the Messianic Age, which includes the Dispensation of Baha'u'llah but could extend beyond that. The Dispensation of Baha'u'llah will last no less than 1000 years (1852-2852 AD), but it could last longer. It will last until another Messenger of God appears, and that could happen any time after 2852 AD but not any sooner.

There have been various Universal Cycles of religion since mankind was created. Within each Cycle there were many different Prophets and religions. The Universal Cycles that preceded Adam are too remote in history to know anything about. The Cycle of religion that began with Adam and culminated with Muhammad is called the Adamic Cycle, or the Prophetic Cycle, named as such because it was the Age of Prophecy.

Muhammad was called the Seal of the Prophets because He was the last prophet in the Adamic Cycle and thus He sealed off the Adamic Cycle. In 1844 the Bab ushered in a new Cycle of religion called the Age of Fulfillment. All the “new age” movements and all the scientific discoveries we have seen since the last century are the result of the inception of this new Cycle. We are living in a new age of mankind.

As you can see on the outline below, the present Universal Cycle of religion includes the Adamic Cycle (Prophetic Cycle) and the Baha’i Cycle (Cycle of Fulfillment). The Baha’i Cycle will last no less than 500,000 years and all the Messengers of God (Manifestations of God) that appear during the cycle will be under the shadow of Baha'u'llah.

TABLE: BAHA'I SACRED HISTORY

I. PREVIOUS UNIVERSAL CYCLES - of which no trace remains

II. PRESENT UNIVERSAL CYCLE

· A. ADAMIC CYCLE, CYCLE OF PROPHECY - lasted approximately 6,000 years

1. Adam 1. Indian religious figures
2. Noah - Krishna
3. Abraham
4. Moses 2. Zoroaster
5. Jesus 3. Buddha
6. Muhammad
+ Other unknown or unspecified prophets

· B. BAHA'I CYCLE, CYCLE OF FULFILLMENT - to last 500,000 years

1. The Bab
2. Bahá'u'lláh - Universal Manifestation for this Universal Cycle

a. Heroic, Primitive, or Apostolic Age - 1844-1921 (or 1932 - the death of Bahiyyih Khanum)

i. Ministry of the Bab (1844-53)
ii. Ministry of Bahá'u'lláh (1853-92)
iii. Ministry of `Abdu'l-Bahá (1892-1921)

b. Formative, Transitional, or Iron Age - 1921 -

i. First Epoch (1921-44/46) - Erection of the Administrative Order
ii. Second Epoch (1946-63) - spread of the Faith beyond the confines of the Western Hemisphere
iii. Third Epoch (1963-86) - emergence of the Faith from obscurity and initiation of social and economic development plans
iv. Fourth Epoch (1986- ) - national communities taking on the responsibility for their own development
v. Successive further Epochs

c. Golden Age
Successive Epochs leading to the Most Great Peace

3. Further Manifestations - under the shadow of Bahá'u'lláh

· END OF PRESENT UNIVERSAL CYCLE

III. FURTHER UNIVERSAL CYCLES

Ages and Cycles
 
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