Trailblazer
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I never said that Abdu'l-Baha was demeaning me.
I do not believe that Abdu'l-Baha was infallible and I never will.
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Tests and Difficulties: The Baha’i Viewpoint
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I do not believe that Abdu'l-Baha was infallible and I never will.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
Judging someone for being weak is not the same as their being weak.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Sadly, I have found that most Baha’is I know care more about their dogma than people’s feelings. For weeks, I have been going through sheer hell and I am barely holding it together because I have important work to do for my job. All the Baha’is will say is that “suffering is good for you because it makes you grow stronger” and “you should thank God for the tests.” Who are they to say what makes me stronger? But of course they have their precious Writings of Abdu’l-Baha telling them that so they have to believe it. Talk about brainwashed.
I might be stronger because I have suffered so much, but so what; what if I don’t want to be stronger? What if I want to be happy like everyone else for a change? No, I do not believe God sent me tests so I can grow stronger. God is not that cruel. Tests are just part of life, and some people get more of them than other people. It is the luck of the draw, mostly determined by heredity and the parents we got, not some free will decision we made because we like to suffer.
I might be stronger because I have suffered so much, but so what; what if I don’t want to be stronger? What if I want to be happy like everyone else for a change? No, I do not believe God sent me tests so I can grow stronger. God is not that cruel. Tests are just part of life, and some people get more of them than other people. It is the luck of the draw, mostly determined by heredity and the parents we got, not some free will decision we made because we like to suffer.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Who is anyone to judge others as weak?
Matthew 7:3-7 King James Version (KJV)
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
What are you talking about? Of course all souls are not advanced in their development. What I am saying is not judgmental, it is reality. You are not understanding me. I am losing track of everything, I am tired now. God is not judging you. Abdu'l-Baha is not judging you or anybody. He was making a general statement.
I quit, I can't get through to you. I'm not up to this. You don't seem to understand anything I am saying.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
You understand nothing! What's going on? I didn't say anything about judging someone as being weak. I said judging someone for being weak is not the same as being weak, that is, not striving to ;progress spiritually.
Goodbye, you won't see me anymore on this thread. It's 1:40 a.m.. I can't waste my time on this. You can't be reached by anyone.
Truthseeker
Non-debating member when I can help myself
He appears to me to be very judgmental and not able to think straight in what he has said to me. He's not nice at all. He says terrible things about the Baha'i Faith and Abdu'l-Baha.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Trailblazer, who wrote these lines and when? Were these lines written in 15th Century?
rational experiences
Veteran Member
If humans in modern day life after the ICE age said to self, science was re introduced.
Egyptians built the pyramids, and Temple science was a combined technology in the age when evolution of both body and psyche existed. And quotes that history to be teachings of the Jehovah, the caused sacrifice and Exodus of life from Genetics.
Then it did.
If it then quotes and Jesus became Jehovah's witness, the science temple pyramid cause/sacrifice attack on life. So that living life, healthy energy microbiome in water mass, bacteria and also microbes was our cell energy food. Put into water by the natural gas light burning state of Planet Earth. Then the quote is God O one stone, put the burning heavenly gas mass first surrounding its body. Also another God O circulation quote.
As a theme, planet I live on human. Thinker of concepts secondary, the sciences.
As a human inventor Creator, who historically owns no themes whatsoever about God in space. All natural history, evolution in natural bodies, all in one body, space as its highest condition, to have it all cooled owned creation.
Space did. So teaching in life said space was the Holy Mother owner of everything within it. As that teaching of natural relativity. No one can argue today about any human experience from before.
For we are fighting for life and human rights today in about 100 years of life continuance if we are lucky, versus occultism/science/UFO and nuclear machine chosen conditions, as the ANTI status against us all.
Therefore all teachings from before are false, for it is human rights, human equal rights to be natural spiritual and human. To be a family and extended family member...all of the human race. To be sharing life on Earth, our planet. Being loving, kind and caring, sharing, and admiring each others diversity.
As a natural teaching, that said do not listen to false prophecies from before...for learning is innate in life.
To be proven wrong, in attack/sacrifice of life, to remember by visionary and living human self experiences, and then to teach that renewed self realisation.
A human historic commentary for everyone. Human.
If Jesus said, they rebuilt the Temples and re used the pyramid and the Jehovah information/Moses sacrifice of life, destruction of Egyptian life and history use of the science/technology, taught him why he was being life sacrificed. Then it did.
How the information was taught. Jesus, life sacrificed was taught by the Jehovah/Moses literature.....who historic, DNA life owner in that Holy Land was the scientific inventors of life attacked/sacrificed. And said in quotes "did it to self".
Meanwhile in multi other continents, pyramid temple owners also got attacked, and their myths and documents also own the exact same quotes "did it to self".
So when occult/human chosen machine/nuclear sciences changes the Heavenly body so that it burns you to death, then it did.
For as quoted.......natural gas burning light radiating in our heavens has existed as long as gases burnt in the spatial body.
So it owned no quoted science machine beginning or any end. It is constant gas light burning.
Hence if you make a quote...oh it activated began burning for 7 days, then you were living when it occurred.
Moses Old Testimonials about pyramid temple sciences, re reviewed and written and documented new DATA correlating to the New Testimonials all written AFTER THE FACT of all occurrences.
Hence if someone was looking back documenting that in the Moses history they activated the Earth heavens to burn for 7 days that then stopped/ended....then it had no ownership with natural heavenly day light, gases that were always burning historically.
Why they said they changed EVEN balances to a statement EVE...burnt the spatial womb and irradiated abominated it and our life inside of the Heavenly gases.
Did it to self was the confession. Yet no one seemed to take any notice that you cannot talk about 7 days of the light gas burning activation unless you caused it and then it stopped.
So then you would ask, how did life survive? Historic evidence would state, barely survived, was severely mutated. And then you would see evidence that humans had to live underground or in caves, due to the above ground radiation levels.
Owning all historic science fact and evidence against self...and then the returning evaluated life sacrifice attack. The same story told again by the new atmospheric attacks.
Egyptians built the pyramids, and Temple science was a combined technology in the age when evolution of both body and psyche existed. And quotes that history to be teachings of the Jehovah, the caused sacrifice and Exodus of life from Genetics.
Then it did.
If it then quotes and Jesus became Jehovah's witness, the science temple pyramid cause/sacrifice attack on life. So that living life, healthy energy microbiome in water mass, bacteria and also microbes was our cell energy food. Put into water by the natural gas light burning state of Planet Earth. Then the quote is God O one stone, put the burning heavenly gas mass first surrounding its body. Also another God O circulation quote.
As a theme, planet I live on human. Thinker of concepts secondary, the sciences.
As a human inventor Creator, who historically owns no themes whatsoever about God in space. All natural history, evolution in natural bodies, all in one body, space as its highest condition, to have it all cooled owned creation.
Space did. So teaching in life said space was the Holy Mother owner of everything within it. As that teaching of natural relativity. No one can argue today about any human experience from before.
For we are fighting for life and human rights today in about 100 years of life continuance if we are lucky, versus occultism/science/UFO and nuclear machine chosen conditions, as the ANTI status against us all.
Therefore all teachings from before are false, for it is human rights, human equal rights to be natural spiritual and human. To be a family and extended family member...all of the human race. To be sharing life on Earth, our planet. Being loving, kind and caring, sharing, and admiring each others diversity.
As a natural teaching, that said do not listen to false prophecies from before...for learning is innate in life.
To be proven wrong, in attack/sacrifice of life, to remember by visionary and living human self experiences, and then to teach that renewed self realisation.
A human historic commentary for everyone. Human.
If Jesus said, they rebuilt the Temples and re used the pyramid and the Jehovah information/Moses sacrifice of life, destruction of Egyptian life and history use of the science/technology, taught him why he was being life sacrificed. Then it did.
How the information was taught. Jesus, life sacrificed was taught by the Jehovah/Moses literature.....who historic, DNA life owner in that Holy Land was the scientific inventors of life attacked/sacrificed. And said in quotes "did it to self".
Meanwhile in multi other continents, pyramid temple owners also got attacked, and their myths and documents also own the exact same quotes "did it to self".
So when occult/human chosen machine/nuclear sciences changes the Heavenly body so that it burns you to death, then it did.
For as quoted.......natural gas burning light radiating in our heavens has existed as long as gases burnt in the spatial body.
So it owned no quoted science machine beginning or any end. It is constant gas light burning.
Hence if you make a quote...oh it activated began burning for 7 days, then you were living when it occurred.
Moses Old Testimonials about pyramid temple sciences, re reviewed and written and documented new DATA correlating to the New Testimonials all written AFTER THE FACT of all occurrences.
Hence if someone was looking back documenting that in the Moses history they activated the Earth heavens to burn for 7 days that then stopped/ended....then it had no ownership with natural heavenly day light, gases that were always burning historically.
Why they said they changed EVEN balances to a statement EVE...burnt the spatial womb and irradiated abominated it and our life inside of the Heavenly gases.
Did it to self was the confession. Yet no one seemed to take any notice that you cannot talk about 7 days of the light gas burning activation unless you caused it and then it stopped.
So then you would ask, how did life survive? Historic evidence would state, barely survived, was severely mutated. And then you would see evidence that humans had to live underground or in caves, due to the above ground radiation levels.
Owning all historic science fact and evidence against self...and then the returning evaluated life sacrifice attack. The same story told again by the new atmospheric attacks.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I DO understand that you think some souls are not as advanced as other souls.
Maybe they are not as advanced, but my whole point has been that we should never judge other souls.
The minute we judge other souls we become less advanced.
That is in the Writings somewhere, but I don't have time to look for it right now.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I think Abdu'l-Baha wrote that in the 20th century.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Science. Human owned, second concept. To think thesis about every body that exists, owning its highest support spatial cold history, Mother womb Holy history in creation.
Every highest body diverse and present supported by space as a ONE and only one concept. Cold and empty. Highest status of space. That actual condition allows any other body form to exist in its existed form, including our own.
Therefore no other condition exists, science an artificial fallacy of a human male choice, a brotherhood group coercive agreement. To A greed.
Status spiritual teaching greed will destroy life on Earth. By males whose alpha status in group control say so. As a Satanic occult science teaching of relativity against theism.
Science today biological correct statement. Humans own 2 preceding human parents...who have sex. Sperm from a male body human and ovary from a human female body is not the skin cell...of their modern day cloning, you came/manifested from spirit theme.
Either themes such as an alien human like image body to human self today instant conversion.......cell manifested out of the atmosphere claim.
Sperm and an ovary is not a skin cell....we came from that sexual act.
Ask a male why he does not include a female baby quote in spiritual idealism?
Because he was not originally quoting about how life was created...for he was already male one of body, human adult self present.
Science was never thought about how a human life was created by his invention, it discussed how invention attacked/removed life in a sacrifice.
His first science thesis was about out of space cosmological themes. The Sun, the UFO mass, conversion of the Earth planet stone body, by theme ^ mountain tip vision on a flooded Earth history after the attack was ended.
So his theme I got science from an end and restarted it....which was the destruction/removal of the physical mass presence of Planet Earth. Removal of original Sin, being historically the stone as gas mass burning before it cooled.
The origin of SIN.
Satanism advice in occult science. Theories that falsified the saving of self by the claim I will remove the physical mass presence God and hence also remove life from the historic act of evil.
Ask any human male scientist today, how and why did you claim the theme living on a stone Planet the origin of sin and unholy? Real answer, because we did originally come from a spiritual place with real spirit in it. The theme the eternal spirit and we became lower selves.
Destroy remove original Sin, God the stone planet mass...then we all die and go back to living in spirit as a spirit being only.
The Satanic argument, alien spirit history versus eternal spirit history. What was the first and original spirit. As the argument in occult sciences.
Every highest body diverse and present supported by space as a ONE and only one concept. Cold and empty. Highest status of space. That actual condition allows any other body form to exist in its existed form, including our own.
Therefore no other condition exists, science an artificial fallacy of a human male choice, a brotherhood group coercive agreement. To A greed.
Status spiritual teaching greed will destroy life on Earth. By males whose alpha status in group control say so. As a Satanic occult science teaching of relativity against theism.
Science today biological correct statement. Humans own 2 preceding human parents...who have sex. Sperm from a male body human and ovary from a human female body is not the skin cell...of their modern day cloning, you came/manifested from spirit theme.
Either themes such as an alien human like image body to human self today instant conversion.......cell manifested out of the atmosphere claim.
Sperm and an ovary is not a skin cell....we came from that sexual act.
Ask a male why he does not include a female baby quote in spiritual idealism?
Because he was not originally quoting about how life was created...for he was already male one of body, human adult self present.
Science was never thought about how a human life was created by his invention, it discussed how invention attacked/removed life in a sacrifice.
His first science thesis was about out of space cosmological themes. The Sun, the UFO mass, conversion of the Earth planet stone body, by theme ^ mountain tip vision on a flooded Earth history after the attack was ended.
So his theme I got science from an end and restarted it....which was the destruction/removal of the physical mass presence of Planet Earth. Removal of original Sin, being historically the stone as gas mass burning before it cooled.
The origin of SIN.
Satanism advice in occult science. Theories that falsified the saving of self by the claim I will remove the physical mass presence God and hence also remove life from the historic act of evil.
Ask any human male scientist today, how and why did you claim the theme living on a stone Planet the origin of sin and unholy? Real answer, because we did originally come from a spiritual place with real spirit in it. The theme the eternal spirit and we became lower selves.
Destroy remove original Sin, God the stone planet mass...then we all die and go back to living in spirit as a spirit being only.
The Satanic argument, alien spirit history versus eternal spirit history. What was the first and original spirit. As the argument in occult sciences.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Ah, he did not know English. Somebody else translated it in 20th Century. Why did that person use 15th Century English? Any idea?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
But you have already written that you think it is wrong that the OP, a Baha'i should have run this thread.
And I feel quite sure in saying that in a Baha'i World censorship would be very harsh.
Baha'i has estranged devoted Bahá'ís that wrote too much about Baha'i history.
QED
exchemist
Veteran Member
Good question!
How ridiculous to translate modern writings into a sort of fake KJV-speak. Perhaps it was done to give an aura of portentousness.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
We
both know the names of devoted Baha'i scholars that were estranged because of their works, and we both know an RF member who has been estranged by Baha'i for his open honest writings about Baha'i.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Understandeth thou this, that even as I indwell in the breast of the Great White Curlew, my spirit soars, even as the daddy long legs in autumn.
........ I know ..... I need to practice.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Fakes do fake things.
Thou has eloquently entered this Foray of Delights, but for a brief respite. The Glowing Sun of Haifa shall send His resplendent rays untoward you in Unending Rays to cure thou of the great malady of ignorance.
exchemist
Veteran Member
You might think that. I couldn't possibly comment.