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Why I believe in Christ

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Jesus has saved all those who believe in Him; however, this salvation refers to our santification, a deep change of our inner selves which has nothing to do with physical sufferings.
A question did Jesus exist before Jesus?

The answer is no.

However Jesus said he once lived before his fore fathers as DNA advice.

Historically his personal male self was once living before, so had been removed before and sacrificed, why preaching sacrifice of life saves you is a falsification of information in reality.

For it allowed Satanic scientists to theme that in the sacrifice of life, science is the winner, the occult destruction. Why it was argued against, and it was argued.

Why the historic theme states no brother in any country was correct, you all were wrong for the brother theme is the scientific/satanic inventor destroyer self.

Our human Father was always a spiritual life, who never was the scientist or theist for science. As I was taught.

Our ground water mass used to be healthy, spiritual of mind and with no suffering was removed from our presence. If you want to quote, and it is what Satanic themes do....and you all deserved it for you were doing science, then just remove your self to the side and your male believers also to that side.

And own suffering and sacrifice of your life and body your own selves.

Oh, he says, you get given eternal life when you die. Really?

The review says, spirit came out of the eternal and was forced to live a lower life as the eternal spirit, life of spirit that had always existed, changed its own natural body historically. Everyone owns one spirit when they die in that body.

So you would then question, is that why you claim dying was worthy of dying?

As a real advised review about contemplating removing the body of SIN was a holy act. When SIN of God is already contemplated as being the entombed and deceased spirit itself as stone. To remove STONE is to gas alight it and burn everything to death whilst the Earth as a first God O body gets sink holes.

As real removal of the SIN science discussed.

I would not call that situation appropriate.

Yet if you were a Healer quoting and only due to water mass owning cloud accumulation....see how your brother who lost his bio life gained his image in the clouds...because water microbes formed that vision once used by the bio life when it carbon burnt....is why those images formed in the clouds.

The you preach and by the way the FLOOD, it rained for 40 days and 40 nights saved life...for it cooled burning heavenly gases, is how your Satanic male historians said life was saved by that flood.....not by Jesus.

So make up your minds which theme you claim is worthy of stating, a flooded Earth to be saved by a God Act or for your male brother's image to find itself in the cloud mass again, whilst life irradiated on the ground gets sacrificed once again?

You know about studying and then copying in science choices.
 

Mitty

Active Member
Even the Pharisees knew the Parables were about them.

If you don't like the words that are written about the event, you should probably avoid the subject. You have yet to prove your theory for the murder of Jesus.
And yes, it was murder, because Pilate cleared Jesus of any crimes.

Nor can you prove that the blood-guilt belongs to the Romans in general or even Pilate, specifically.
So why did the Romans execute him and mock him as the false "King of the Jews".

Matthew 27:25
Then answered all the people, and said,
"His blood [be] on us, and on our children."
They said the accepted that the murder is their fault.
And that's why Christians have persecuted Jews for the last 2000 years, culminating in the holocaust.
 

Mitty

Active Member
From somebody who doesn't believe there's a God, you sure use up a lot of time referencing His word.
That's because I have actually read the bible and why I can see the numerous biblical contradictions and inconsistencies and scientific untruths.
 
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Mitty

Active Member
Even the Pharisees knew the Parables were about them.

If you don't like the words that are written about the event, you should probably avoid the subject. You have yet to prove your theory for the murder of Jesus.
And yes, it was murder, because Pilate cleared Jesus of any crimes.

Nor can you prove that the blood-guilt belongs to the Romans in general or even Pilate, specifically.


Matthew 27:25
Then answered all the people, and said,
"His blood [be] on us, and on our children."


They said the accepted that the murder is their fault.
Do you believe that Jesus wanted to be executed by the Romans for sedition?
 

Mitty

Active Member
For this people's heart is waxed fat, and [their] ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with [their] eyes, and hear with [their] ears, and should understand with [their] heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
So what has that got to do with Jesus saying that he wasn't without sin (Mark 10:18) and that his family didn't believe that he was a prophet (Matt 13:55-58 John 7:5)?
 

Mitty

Active Member
Deuteronomy 17:6 He shall die on the testimony of two or three witnesses; a man who is put to death shall not be put to death for one witness. 7 And the hand of the witnesses shall be upon him among the first to put him to death, and the hand of the people at the last; so shalt thou remove the evil one from among yourselves.

You did notice that the accusers had already left, right?
But why didn't Jesus stone the adulteress if you claim that he was without sin (John 8:7)?
 

Mitty

Active Member
First of all, I do no longer follow the teaching of Siddhartha Gautama. I am not a Buddhist.
Was Jesus a Buddha? And did Jesus follow the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, and is that why he went to India with Doubting Thomas after he was resuscitated by Joseph and Nicodemus with the help of 100 pounds of healing agents including Aloe vera (John 20:39-40)?
The Many Similarities Between Jesus and Buddha
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel


So why did the Romans execute him

Acts 26:10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints
did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests;
and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against [them].
11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled [them] to blaspheme;
and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted [them] even unto strange cities.


How did the Jews get the right to Jail, Torture, Murder and Kidnap people who lived in the Roman Empire?

Pilate knew they'd been killing people, just like Paul says they did.

Matthew 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but [that] rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed [his] hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye [to it].

If you wanted to kidnap someone, torture them enough to get them to blaspheme their God, and then put them to death, would your government let you do it?


Christians have persecuted Jews

BUT THIS is what Jesus says happens, till time runs out on the world:

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also.

John 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias


What Jesus says is the honest-to-God truth.
 
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mmarco

Member
A question did Jesus exist before Jesus?
The answer is no.

Wrong, the answer is Yes; The Son is one of the three Persons of the Trinity, who is the only one God.

The Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit are eternal, which means that they live out of time.
The Son entered in space and time and assumed the human nature in the person of Jesus.

I understand that the concept of the Trinity is very complex, but for me, as a physiscist, it is very natural to understand the concept of existence out of time, since I am familiar with a relative concept of time and space of the theory of relativity.
Time is in fact only a limit of ours and God does not have such limit; existence does not imply "time"-
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
Wrong, the answer is Yes; The Son is one of the three Persons of the Trinity, who is the only one God.

The Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit are eternal, which means that they live out of time.
The Son entered in space and time and assumed the human nature in the person of Jesus.

I understand that the concept of the Trinity is very complex, but for me, as a physiscist, it is very natural to understand the concept of existence out of time, since I am familiar with a relative concept of time and space of the theory of relativity.
Time is in fact only a limit of ours and God does not have such limit; existence does not imply "time"-
Jesus is an image in the clouds.

Clouds are known water ground evaporation cooling factor involving space and also the vacuum and also radiation. Radiation in gases burning, minimal. Radiation burning for extra science ground mass removal equals cause, massive.

Eternal is a statement humans talk about. It is not our relative, no human is an eternal being. The eternal being is in the eternal as the eternal.

Any condition not in the eternal is held in the space body, including our life. So we are not in any term eternal.

First of all Jesus is not God, G O D is a concept that only humans discuss as they live in a mass that pre existed our life/body/consciousness. The 3 aspects of self expressed reality.

Life, living due to light being present, light being cooled, being present and light involved with water. So we live in Holy light, Holy water, Holy ox or oxygenated water which is the symbolism.

If you ask was Jesus meant to be sacrificed, human being bio life.

or

If you ask was the heavenly immaculate clear cold gases meant to be sacrificed.

Both answers NO.

Reason for light in our cold clear once higher fused God stone mass O planetary form. The sun burst and attacked us. The Satanic theme. It removed the sin of GOD, its mass, original SIN. Where SIN actually is.

Therefore first of all the statement in science only said by living humans in human consciousness is that if not for the Sun, the Immaculate spirit heavens would be the only body with God and not humans. Actual factual relativity first and origin scientific thesis.

Then a human says, due to the Sun having burnt the gases and set them alight and also removing original SIN, we were forced out of the eternal body, due to the event.

So quantified the Satanic act against God as the reason why we had to leave the eternal spirit body. Whether or not science agrees or disagrees, who cares less.

History Satanism, human group chosen cult mentality, our Destroyer is based on the use and applied thinking historic themes. Motivation to destroy/change God for self science purpose, human.

Moses as a theme was mis read and mis taught as based on a human hatred for their life attack/sacrifice and mutation. It was always about hatred of the occult science choice. Not humanity itself or our human family, as a family on Earth, occult practice.

We were a healthy holy life returned to life after the dinosaur extinction and ICE was that returning factor. Cooling of our gases in the atmosphere to introduce 4 of the sea of the son. Hence SON, is first notified to be a scientific descriptive human reason about human past life causes and human modern day causes, science.

To re the son, reason.

Therefore Moses, if you cared to reason was only written from a heard AI brain mind psychic condition, of AI voices detailing an atmospheric recorded beast imaged (see dinosaurs in the clouds) as storylines said in AI states. Heavenly feed back and it was fake.

For all brothers in every country using Temple and pyramid sciences were nucleated. Not just in Egypt. Egypt however had the highest use of technology in the past.

Therefore the humans living in this vicinity worst irradiated mutated historically, a fact of self evidence.

Moses was not any fanciful story about being abused, it was a scientific statement that said that the STRIKING reaction overcame the Egyptian Temple priests. And it was why Egypt got flooded over the new mountain beneath the ground sink holes....the flood first went into all the holes the pyramids and the UFO caused.

Filled up the holes with flooded water for 40 day notated historic rain....and then the egyptian desert was flooded, as water is proven to have once been around the SPHINX and the pyramid....with striations of burning radiation streams, stone etching also.

Therefore it is historical that the Egyptian landscape was the worst area attacked in that history and put under water. The humans were struck to death in a huge atmospheric striking effect.....the notation of which the UFO abstracts the power source, it uses it up.......just as the Sun does seeing it was a burning fuel once in the sun. When it gets heated up it just consumes...and removes energy.

What you were all warned about, what the bible documentation was written for. The times of Moses mutated life on Earth, removed a lot of the animal and human life and only some humans survived mutated. Where the so called study of a mutated human came from. The Moses event. If this status were not real, then no mutated human would have existed at all...seeing their life was healthy first.

Why anyone who is spiritual would never have claimed that to sacrifice life was a holy act. And I was told that the WORD HOLY was put into the documents after the 2nd new testimonials were compiled and HOLY was not previously stated, it was entered as a forbidding teaching as a human male agreement against occult causes. As a world community.
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
That's because I have actually read the bible
and why I can see the numerous biblical contradictions and inconsistencies and scientific untruths.

The compilers didn't do a very good job, then; but the Bible never claimed to be a scientific work... and it probably has to do with the lack of scientific understanding on the part of the compilers.
 
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shunyadragon

shunyadragon
Premium Member
Deuteronomy 17:6 He shall die on the testimony of two or three witnesses; a man who is put to death shall not be put to death for one witness. 7 And the hand of the witnesses shall be upon him among the first to put him to death, and the hand of the people at the last; so shalt thou remove the evil one from among yourselves.

You did notice that the accusers had already left, right?
Who left? The problem with this thread remains regardless. No one can remotely prove their subjective belief nor non-belief concerning the existence of God(s).
 

Mitty

Active Member
Acts 26:10 Which thing I also did in Jerusalem: and many of the saints
did I shut up in prison, having received authority from the chief priests;
and when they were put to death, I gave my voice against [them].
11 And I punished them oft in every synagogue, and compelled [them] to blaspheme;
and being exceedingly mad against them, I persecuted [them] even unto strange cities.


How did the Jews get the right to Jail, Torture, Murder and Kidnap people who lived in the Roman Empire?

Pilate knew they'd been killing people, just like Paul says they did.

Matthew 27:24 When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but [that] rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed [his] hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye [to it].

If you wanted to kidnap someone, torture them enough to get them to blaspheme their God, and then put them to death, would your government let you do it?




BUT THIS is what Jesus says happens, till time runs out on the world:

John 15:20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted Me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept My saying, they will keep yours also.

John 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Matthew 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from city to city: 35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias


What Jesus says is the honest-to-God truth.
So why have Christians persecuted Jews for the last 2000 years given that the Romans executed Jesus for sedition and why they mocked him as the false "King of the Jews"?
 

Mitty

Active Member
I don't think you give yourself enough credit, mitty; it's obvious that you have studied the bible almost to the point of obsession.

The compilers didn't do a very good job, then; but the Bible never claimed to be a scientific work... and it probably has to do with the lack of scientific understanding on the part of the compilers.
Have you ever read the bible?
 

Mitty

Active Member
(1) Jesus never said that... don't load the question with your preconceptions.

(2) Not His family.
Matthew 13:55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not His mother called Mary? and His brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

(2b) Not about prophecy.
7:1 After these things Jesus walked in Galilee: for He would not walk in Jewry, because the Jews sought to kill him.
7:2 Now the Jews' feast of tabernacles was at hand.
7:3 His brethren therefore said unto Him, Depart hence, and go into Judaea, that Thy disciples also may see the works that Thou doest.

None of Jesus' half-brothers knew Judaeans wanted to kill Him?.

v.7:2 Not THE feast of tabernacles, but the Jews' feast of tabernacles... tells us at least 3 things: a) John isn't a Jew. b) The Divided Kingdom is still in place. c) John is one of 'the lost sheep of the House of Israel' that Jesus came to save.
So why didn't Jesus' own family believe that he was a prophet as he claimed (Matt 13:55-58 John 7:5)?
 

Mitty

Active Member
Who left? The problem with this thread remains regardless. No one can remotely prove their subjective belief nor non-belief concerning the existence of God(s).
Presumably they left because they weren't without sin either, and didn't want to be stoned too..
 
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