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Behold I Stand At The Door And Knock

Would You Let Jesus In?

  • Yes, and I'd invite him to a romantic candlelight dinner

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • Yes, and I'd give him coffee and doughnuts

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, I'd invite him in. But no food.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Yes, I'd invite him in. But he needs a mask.

    Votes: 3 50.0%
  • Yes, I'd invite him in. But he needs to sanitize. Who knows what dirty people he's been around!

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No, but I would talk to him outside the door.

    Votes: 1 16.7%
  • No, I'd refuse to see him. And probably slam the door on him.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I'd probably be asleep then, and no amount of knocking would wake me.

    Votes: 1 16.7%

  • Total voters
    6

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Lately, with all the creepy stuff going on in the news, I've been thinking vaguely about Revelation.

In particular, Revelation 3:20 talks about Jesus coming at an odd hour, knocking on the door, and possibly some food getting shared.

Context: I have recently finished a book. You can buy it online, it's called Oracle of Tao. There's no "the" in the title for anyone curious, and you may have to go through a page or two on Amazon. I've printed a few copies of this, and I want to either give it to someone who I've lost touch with or someone else. Knowing what I know about her, I'm not expecting her to be very sympathetic. I'm also expecting her to sleep through the event and the door will probably be answered by one of her siblings or her mom. And yet, I want to see her again even if it's only to say goodbye.

In this scenario, we are not talking about some ideal time. We are talking about when everyone is phobic about disease. Would Jesus need to wear a mask before you'd accept him? Btw, Jesus could look like anyone, not just a long-haired bearded dude.
 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Lately, with all the creepy stuff going on in the news, I've been thinking vaguely about Revelation.

In particular, Revelation 3:20 talks about Jesus coming at an odd hour, knocking on the door, and possibly some food getting shared.

Context: I have recently finished a book. You can buy it online, it's called Oracle of Tao. There's no "the" in the title for anyone curious, and you may have to go through a page or two on Amazon. I've printed a few copies of this, and I want to either give it to someone who I've lost touch with or someone else. Knowing what I know about her, I'm not expecting her to be very sympathetic. I'm also expecting her to sleep through the event and the door will probably be answered by one of her siblings or her mom. And yet, I want to see her again even if it's only to say goodbye.

In this scenario, we are not talking about some ideal time. We are talking about when everyone is phobic about disease. Would Jesus need to wear a mask before you'd accept him? Btw, Jesus could look like anyone, not just a long-haired bearded dude.

I think you missed one out - please show some identification - (usually required for those having some kind of authority).
 
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Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Lately, with all the creepy stuff going on in the news, I've been thinking vaguely about Revelation.

In particular, Revelation 3:20 talks about Jesus coming at an odd hour, knocking on the door, and possibly some food getting shared.

Context: I have recently finished a book. You can buy it online, it's called Oracle of Tao. There's no "the" in the title for anyone curious, and you may have to go through a page or two on Amazon. I've printed a few copies of this, and I want to either give it to someone who I've lost touch with or someone else. Knowing what I know about her, I'm not expecting her to be very sympathetic. I'm also expecting her to sleep through the event and the door will probably be answered by one of her siblings or her mom. And yet, I want to see her again even if it's only to say goodbye.

In this scenario, we are not talking about some ideal time. We are talking about when everyone is phobic about disease. Would Jesus need to wear a mask before you'd accept him? Btw, Jesus could look like anyone, not just a long-haired bearded dude.

I don't see this virus outbreak so supernaturally dangerous that one would think jesus is about to come. There are so many outbreaks around the world that "jesus is coming" in all parts of the country and he never did/does. If he came to my door, he would be a stranger so I wouldn't let him in. Maybe crack the door to see what he wants but rarely I would. Thank goodness I don't live in a community where people can evangelize or come to your door to say "I'm the one."

If he did come in, masks and sanitation wouldn't be too much of an issue. I'm not big on the asymptomatic thing. No thermometers at the door or anything like that. Though, I'd offer maybe a drink if I knew him a little bit. Unfortunately, I can't get to know him personally so I'd have to say hello and goodbye through the peep hole.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

I take that as symbolism for God knocking at the door of the heart and not literally. And the heart knows who is knocking.
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Strange. He is God and also son of God. He can come through the door or the wall equally easily. Why does he knock? Furthermore, he knows about the person he wants to meet, whether the person is a Christian or a non-believer in Christianity or one who is apathetic about it or who is an atheist. He will know about the kind of reception he is going to get.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Lately, with all the creepy stuff going on in the news, I've been thinking vaguely about Revelation.

In particular, Revelation 3:20 talks about Jesus coming at an odd hour, knocking on the door, and possibly some food getting shared.

Context: I have recently finished a book. You can buy it online, it's called Oracle of Tao. There's no "the" in the title for anyone curious, and you may have to go through a page or two on Amazon. I've printed a few copies of this, and I want to either give it to someone who I've lost touch with or someone else. Knowing what I know about her, I'm not expecting her to be very sympathetic. I'm also expecting her to sleep through the event and the door will probably be answered by one of her siblings or her mom. And yet, I want to see her again even if it's only to say goodbye.

In this scenario, we are not talking about some ideal time. We are talking about when everyone is phobic about disease. Would Jesus need to wear a mask before you'd accept him? Btw, Jesus could look like anyone, not just a long-haired bearded dude.

If taking rational, precautionary measures during a pandemic makes one "phobic about disease", then obsessing over "the end times" and "the second coming" makes one phobic about reality.

But anyway, if we somehow knew it was the Jesus for real, then he wouldn't be infected, right? Regardless, I would turn his *** back around and say "Get back out there and make yourself useful. Get to curing, boy."
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
In this scenario, we are not talking about some ideal time. We are talking about when everyone is phobic about disease. Would Jesus need to wear a mask before you'd accept him? Btw, Jesus could look like anyone, not just a long-haired bearded dude.
It's a mess in my house, so I might feel embarrassed about that (but He is All Knowing, so He would not expect anything different from me:)), and of course I would let Him in. After having spend so much time on RF, would I not be a fool, to let go this chance to get some Real Answers, instead of opinions on RF

Of course no masks
 

OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
Lately, with all the creepy stuff going on in the news, I've been thinking vaguely about Revelation.

In particular, Revelation 3:20 talks about Jesus coming at an odd hour, knocking on the door, and possibly some food getting shared.

Btw, Jesus could look like anyone, not just a long-haired bearded dude.

With the land in which the NT has been placed by... tradition... Jesus would look like an Ancient Arab, an Ancient Egyptian, or a Hitto-Hurrian. Not black or blue-eyed-blonde.

The food getting shared used to mean a shared life.

Jesus is knocking on a door of a church... if it were His church, would that be necessary? The churches were supposed to belong to Jesus. Knocking to be let in means that the church is one in name only... it's name is clue, for it means "of the people"... rather than "of Jesus". This church of the people is spat out into the great tribulation, where they will be purified by the fires of trial which will fall on the whole world...

Philadelphia church will be kept from that trial... which makes her like the woman in Revelation 12. Jesus speaks of His servants giving food at the right time. Food is the Word of God, in this case. Those who hear in the dark and don't proclaim in the light are like the man with one talent who buries it in the ground, rather than giving it to the money changers... because apparently they are in need of the Word of God, too... and the interest would be their share in the evangelization of the world.

Prophecy is given as a warning, to save people. Those who couldn't be saved by love will have to be saved by pain and fear. People who think the scare tactics of Revelation aren't done by a loving God must think peace and safety being whispered by the beast will be better. Au contraire!
 
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Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
If taking rational, precautionary measures during a pandemic makes one "phobic about disease", then obsessing over "the end times" and "the second coming" makes one phobic about reality.

But that's exactly what it is. Be as precautionary as you want, but keep in mind this woman below.

Yesterday, I had a gig fixing someone's printer. I drive to her house, she has a notice on the door. "Please use hand sanitizer. (etc) (etc)" I walk in, I have a job to do. She greets me at the door, gives me a bottle squirt of some white creamy liquid, and I remind myself that I'm similarly being ****ed. Then she demands I wear a mask before entering. This woman has zero hospitality, and zero calm. I tell her I don't have one, and I tell her I have dust issues. I tell her "I'll stay away from you" in the sweetest way possible. She begrudgingly allows me to enter to look at her printer. Her husband is there to the side. I wave "Hi" to him. He doesn't wave back, but sits like a tool on his computer. I enter her room, and rather than staying far away, she hovers. I shrug it off and try to sit down, banging my knee in the process. So far this is going great. Before sitting down (keep in mind that I have touched literally nothing from the time I last got squirted), I get another dose of this white liquid. Her computer turns out to be a Mac, and I stumble through it trying to find the devices. She decides after five minutes "this isn't working," and I walk off. Her tool of a husband doesn't say good bye to me. Neither does she. They were basically paranoid people, which I could forgive right now, but that they were so unwelcoming was not okay.

Whether you are afraid, or think it is a hoax, or somewhere in the middle, some day some guy may knock on your door and ask for a favor. Maybe his car broke down, and he needs a jump start. Maybe he's hungry and all of the stores are closed to people without masks. Maybe he's needing to use a phone. Nope, "Sorry Jesus, I'm scared about getting sick. I don't know you." Basic decency goes a long way, even if you are concerned about your safety. By all means, see to whatever you need to in order to feel like you won't get sick. If you want to welcome people by suiting up in a cleansuit or whatever, that's your lookout. When you fail those who need your hospitality, you've missed what's expected. And Jesus will say, "For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Depart from me, I never knew you."

But anyway, if we somehow knew it was the Jesus for real, then he wouldn't be infected, right? Regardless, I would turn his *** back around and say "Get back out there and make yourself useful. Get to curing, boy."

The Second Coming is not about Jesus coming as a wandering healer. The Second Coming is about Jesus coming in power. And when he does, rather than going around handing out free healing, he wants to see if people will welcome him. When it is risky. When people are afraid. He will heal people by reminding them that this physical world is passing away, and such things as disease are only temporary problems, illusions of the physical world. He will preach pure dharma, and to follow the laws of Heaven, not the things of this fading world. Jesus's Second Coming is to find his Bride, not to get crucified again or be human again. This is not a time of healing, it's a time of trial (testing). You want a magical COVID-19 cure? Suck it up, and get yourself healthy. Jesus wants to see if you're someone he wants to marry.

bride-of-christ.jpg


I went out with a copy of my book. I dared not knock on the door of any complete strangers, so I went only to houses of people I wanted to see if would welcome me. I knocked on the door of our next-door neighbor, and handed her one copy. She accepted it gratefully, despite me not wearing a mask, scrubbing my hands down with disgusting sanitizer, or having my temperature taken. The next day she thanked me for giving the book (even though she said she wasn't sure she could understand it all). The other copy, I wanted to give to the ex-friend to see if I could patch things up with her. It turned out that today she had work, so I was like "No worries, I'll knock on her door and see if her siblings or whatever might accept it." I rang the doorbell. No humans ever answered. Instead a pack of about four dogs snarled at me. I waited about five minutes, and then left. Instead, I went to a house that I think belonged to a guy that she personally thought was a creep, but I realized I didn't have a problem with. I knocked on the door but no answer. He had windows boarded up. But I decided even not being welcomed, and just hanging out with this guy's kitties, I decided this place was a damned sight more welcoming than snarling dogs, so I left a bag with the book in it on the porch and walked away. The guy can take or leave my gift, but I felt like his kitties at least let me pet them a little bit.

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Strange. He is God and also son of God. He can come through the door or the wall equally easily. Why does he knock? Furthermore, he knows about the person he wants to meet, whether the person is a Christian or a non-believer in Christianity or one who is apathetic about it or who is an atheist. He will know about the kind of reception he is going to get.

Because he wants you to let him in. He wants to see if you will, despite things. This is what makes this such a powerful image. He knows that the odds are against a warm reception, or other times (because you're supposed to be a Christian) odds are for it. But he wants to see if you are someone who is better than their reputation or worse. He cares nothing about your religious affiliation as far as I know. He wants to see whether you welcome people. If it's not your choice, there's no point.

I don't see this virus outbreak so supernaturally dangerous that one would think Jesus is about to come. There are so many outbreaks around the world that "jesus is coming" in all parts of the country and he never did/does. If he came to my door, he would be a stranger so I wouldn't let him in. Maybe crack the door to see what he wants but rarely I would. Thank goodness I don't live in a community where people can evangelize or come to your door to say "I'm the one."

If he did come in, masks and sanitation wouldn't be too much of an issue. I'm not big on the asymptomatic thing. No thermometers at the door or anything like that. Though, I'd offer maybe a drink if I knew him a little bit. Unfortunately, I can't get to know him personally so I'd have to say hello and goodbye through the peep hole.

The virus isn't the issue. It's that people on a fundamental level have changed. Some are scared. Some are rude and unwelcoming. Some are outright hostile to people don't follow "the rules" or "the science." But it didn't begin with COVID-19, that's just a symptom of a larger problem.

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Social disengagement.

Human beings are social creatures, but they've become antisocial. This is something so unprecedented to the nature of humanity that I wouldn't be surprised if Christ came again. Viruses come and go, but something like this is different.
 
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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
You seem to think that the last great act of defiance is a game you could play with the Creator of all things. The God who can create, can also uncreate.
So he can't be bothered to save dying children from starvation or disease, but he'll take petty vengeance upon someone for bruising his fragile ego? Not impressed.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
But that's exactly what it is.
According to who? Your drunken, superstitious, conspiracy obsessed redneck uncle on Facebook?[/quote]

Be as precautionary as you want, but keep in mind this woman below.

Yesterday, I had a gig fixing someone's printer. I drive to her house, she has a notice on the door. "Please use hand sanitizer. (etc) (etc)" I walk in, I have a job to do. She greets me at the door, gives me a bottle squirt of some white creamy liquid, and I remind myself that I'm similarly being ****ed. Then she demands I wear a mask before entering. This woman has zero hospitality, and zero calm. I tell her I don't have one, and I tell her I have dust issues. I tell her "I'll stay away from you" in the sweetest way possible. She begrudgingly allows me to enter to look at her printer. Her husband is there to the side. I wave "Hi" to him. He doesn't wave back, but sits like a tool on his computer. I enter her room, and rather than staying far away, she hovers. I shrug it off and try to sit down, banging my knee in the process. So far this is going great. Before sitting down (keep in mind that I have touched literally nothing from the time I last got squirted), I get another dose of this white liquid. Her computer turns out to be a Mac, and I stumble through it trying to find the devices. She decides after five minutes "this isn't working," and I walk off. Her tool of a husband doesn't say good bye to me. Neither does she. They were basically paranoid people, which I could forgive right now, but that they were so unwelcoming was not okay.

I'm not sure what sort of point this anecdote was supposed to convey?

Whether you are afraid, or think it is a hoax, or somewhere in the middle,
False dichotomy.

some day some guy may knock on your door and ask for a favor. Maybe his car broke down, and he needs a jump start. Maybe he's hungry and all of the stores are closed to people without masks. Maybe he's needing to use a phone.
If it's situations like that, then of course I would help them out. I would still attempt to keep to precautionary measures as reasonably possible, and since I'm doing them a favor I assume they would be polite and understanding enough to respect that.

Nope, "Sorry Jesus, I'm scared about getting sick. I don't know you." Basic decency goes a long way, even if you are concerned about your safety. By all means, see to whatever you need to in order to feel like you won't get sick. If you want to welcome people by suiting up in a cleansuit or whatever, that's your lookout. When you fail those who need your hospitality, you've missed what's expected. And Jesus will say, "For I was hungry and you gave Me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Depart from me, I never knew you."

The Second Coming is not about Jesus coming as a wandering healer. The Second Coming is about Jesus coming in power. And when he does, rather than going around handing out free healing, he wants to see if people will welcome him. When it is risky. When people are afraid. He will heal people by reminding them that this physical world is passing away, and such things as disease are only temporary problems, illusions of the physical world. He will preach pure dharma, and to follow the laws of Heaven, not the things of this fading world. Jesus's Second Coming is to find his Bride, not to get crucified again or be human again. This is not a time of healing, it's a time of trial (testing). You want a magical COVID-19 cure? Suck it up, and get yourself healthy. Jesus wants to see if you're someone he wants to marry.

bride-of-christ.jpg


I went out with a copy of my book. I dared not knock on the door of any complete strangers, so I went only to houses of people I wanted to see if would welcome me. I knocked on the door of our next-door neighbor, and handed her one copy. She accepted it gratefully, despite me not wearing a mask, scrubbing my hands down with disgusting sanitizer, or having my temperature taken. The next day she thanked me for giving the book (even though she said she wasn't sure she could understand it all). The other copy, I wanted to give to the ex-friend to see if I could patch things up with her. It turned out that today she had work, so I was like "No worries, I'll knock on her door and see if her siblings or whatever might accept it." I rang the doorbell. No humans ever answered. Instead a pack of about four dogs snarled at me. I waited about five minutes, and then left. Instead, I went to a house that I think belonged to a guy that she personally thought was a creep, but I realized I didn't have a problem with. I knocked on the door but no answer. He had windows boarded up. But I decided even not being welcomed, and just hanging out with this guy's kitties, I decided this place was a damned sight more welcoming than snarling dogs, so I left a bag with the book in it on the porch and walked away. The guy can take or leave my gift, but I felt like his kitties at least let me pet them a little bit.

dscf1418.jpg




Because he wants you to let him in. He wants to see if you will, despite things. This is what makes this such a powerful image. He knows that the odds are against a warm reception, or other times (because you're supposed to be a Christian) odds are for it. But he wants to see if you are someone who is better than their reputation or worse. He cares nothing about your religious affiliation as far as I know. He wants to see whether you welcome people. If it's not your choice, there's no point.



The virus isn't the issue. It's that people on a fundamental level have changed. Some are scared. Some are rude and unwelcoming. Some are outright hostile to people don't follow "the rules" or "the science." But it didn't begin with COVID-19, that's just a symptom of a larger problem.

people-looking-at-phones.jpg


Social disengagement.

Human beings are social creatures, but they've become antisocial. This is something so unprecedented to the nature of humanity that I wouldn't be surprised if Christ came again. Viruses come and go, but something like this is different.

Actually, it sounds like Jesus is the irrational, inconsiderate ******* in your scenario. I'll pass on your faith.
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
So he can't be bothered to save dying children from starvation or disease, but he'll take petty vengeance upon someone for bruising his fragile ego? Not impressed.

Let me ask you something then.

Suppose Jesus offered the cure for this "disease" as you see it. But it did not come packaged the way you wanted it (i.e. not a "vaccine" but a simple medicine like some sort of quinine). And suppose Jesus provided this through someone you inherently couldn't stand. Like, say, Donald Trump. I think you know what I'm talking about here.

Would you actually take this healing?

Jesus himself came packaged like a gift, but again very few people accepted him. They wanted to complain about how sick (or poor, or whatever else) they were. The Pharisees wanted Jesus to tell them they were virtuous, the Jews suffering under Rome thought Jesus was going to topple political authorities, everyone had expectations of Jesus contrary to who he actually was.
Now you see Jesus, and misunderstand him again, based on his healing in previous times. But in previous times, he was quick to point out that "no prophet is accepted in his hometown." Nor did he perform miracles for Herod.
The people he healed, he always told them that "your faith has made you well." Healing doesn't just magically happen. It's a process, and the process begins when you believe in the healing being offered.

Read the PDF attached. It is an in-depth analysis on how our psychological beliefs affect physiological state, and how negative psychological relationships can create a negative physiological state (yes, you heard this right, bad feelings make you sick).

Can You Die From Loneliness?
US Experiment on infants withholding affection

Bottom line? If you hate the person healing you, if you distrust them, the healing cannot be effective. Healing for COVID-19 is already available, but those who hate Trump (because he is Trump) will immediately say they don't work. I dunno if they do or don't, because I reject all physical medicine. Suppose Jesus did try to touch you. I imagine you'd tell him, "Don't touch me! You'll give me the disease!" even as you already have it.

Actually, it sounds like Jesus is the irrational, inconsiderate ******* in your scenario. I'll pass on your faith.

Jesus expects you to "Rise, take up your mat, and walk." I suppose you'd think that's inconsiderate. The man healed wanted to be lifted into a nearby pool or something, hoping that would make him well, but that wasn't the cure prescribed. Likewise, Elijah told a leper to go soak into a pool seven times, and the guy had hoped he could just wave his hands.

You can't pick the sort of person who heals you. They could be someone you can't stand giving you advice you can't stand (see Trump, above). You either do what is required to be healed, or you don't get healed.
 

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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
So he can't be bothered to save dying children from starvation or disease, but he'll take petty vengeance upon someone for bruising his fragile ego? Not impressed.

“Men are so quick to blame the gods: they say that we devise their misery.
But they themselves--in their depravity--design grief greater than the griefs
that fate assigns.”--Homer, The Odyssey
 
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SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
Staff member
Premium Member
Please, I’m Indian. He’d be greeted with a glass of juice and a plate of food. :p
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
“Men are so quick to blame the gods: they say that we devise their misery.
But they themselves--in their depravity--design grief greater than the griefs
that fate assigns.”--Homer, The Odyssey
I didn't blame god for anything. You got butthurt on his behalf and claimed that he would act out of vengeance. I simply asked why doesn't he instead act out of compassion? Your depiction of god places bruised ego before innocent children. Again, not impressed.
 
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Onoma

Active Member
With the pandemic lockdowns and the subsequent rise in traffic on porn sites during lockdown, if he showed up now, it'd probably be like

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Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Let me ask you something then.

Suppose Jesus offered the cure for this "disease" as you see it. But it did not come packaged the way you wanted it (i.e. not a "vaccine" but a simple medicine like some sort of quinine). And suppose Jesus provided this through someone you inherently couldn't stand. Like, say, Donald Trump. I think you know what I'm talking about here.

Would you actually take this healing?

Well, no, I'm not sick so I don't need "healing". Also, the fact you place disease in quotations further confirms that you're not worth taking seriously.

Jesus himself came packaged like a gift, but again very few people accepted him. They wanted to complain about how sick (or poor, or whatever else) they were. The Pharisees wanted Jesus to tell them they were virtuous, the Jews suffering under Rome thought Jesus was going to topple political authorities, everyone had expectations of Jesus contrary to who he actually was.
Now you see Jesus, and misunderstand him again, based on his healing in previous times. But in previous times, he was quick to point out that "no prophet is accepted in his hometown." Nor did he perform miracles for Herod.
The people he healed, he always told them that "your faith has made you well." Healing doesn't just magically happen. It's a process, and the process begins when you believe in the healing being offered.
If Jesus were alive today, do you believe he too would be into anime. What do you think his favorite series would be?

Read the PDF attached. It is an in-depth analysis on how our psychological beliefs affect physiological state, and how negative psychological relationships can create a negative physiological state (yes, you heard this right, bad feelings make you sick).
Since germs and diseases aren't real, I imagine that you're an extremely unhygienic and unsanitary person. Gross.

Bottom line? If you hate the person healing you, if you distrust them, the healing cannot be effective. Healing for COVID-19 is already available, but those who hate Trump (because he is Trump) will immediately say they don't work. I dunno if they do or don't, because I reject all physical medicine. Suppose Jesus did try to touch you. I imagine you'd tell him, "Don't touch me! You'll give me the disease!" even as you already have it.

Hyperbolic straw men are totally persuasive and not the least bit insulting. :rolleyes:

Jesus expects you to "Rise, take up your mat, and walk." I suppose you'd think that's inconsiderate. The man healed wanted to be lifted into a nearby pool or something, hoping that would make him well, but that wasn't the cure prescribed. Likewise, Elijah told a leper to go soak into a pool seven times, and the guy had hoped he could just wave his hands.

You can't pick the sort of person who heals you. They could be someone you can't stand giving you advice you can't stand (see Trump, above). You either do what is required to be healed, or you don't get healed.
What if I'm here to heal you, and that's why god brought you to this forum? What if god wants me to bestow my wisdom upon you to cure your mind of disease, figuratively speaking?
 

Samantha Rinne

Resident Genderfluid Writer/Artist
Please, I’m Indian. He’d be greeted with a glass of juice and a plate of food. :p

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Jesus: But... I'm full!
Host: Nahhh, try this samosa!

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Well, no, I'm not sick so I don't need "healing". Also, the fact you place disease in quotations further confirms that you're not worth taking seriously.

That's exactly what sick people say. The most sick of Jesus's day were the Pharisees, but you'll notice Jesus was utterly unable to treat them. He said "those who are well have no need of a healer" but it was clear from his comparison of them to whitewashed tombs and talk about how the robbers and murderers would enter heaven before them that Jesus understood that their declaration that they were without sin that kept Grace from them. "If you say you are without sin, you deceive yourself and the truth is not in you but if you confess your sins, you will be forgiven" and "All have sinned all have fallen short." Coronavirus is a universal, like sin. All of us have strains of it (just maybe not the "novel" one), just as all of us have flu strains. These are called endemic diseases. Whether we test positive for it or not depends on whether we have allowed ourselves to become run down and overwhelmed by it (i.e. more cells are Coronavirus-infected than healthy).

The fact that you don't put "disease" in quotations means you are unwilling to even CONSIDER you might be wrong. That is a lot of confidence there. It also means if you do turn out to be wrong, you're responsible for a lot of things wrong (food shortages, lost jobs, suicides, obesity). Sorry but while I may in fact be wrong, I've done risk assessment, and I'm pretty certain there is little risk of making anyone sick (I'm a shut-in even before this). The risk of me making people sick, or the risk of us following the advice of people like you? Which is a greater disaster? You may want to think harder on that.


If Jesus were alive today, do you believe he too would be into anime. What do you think his favorite series would be?

Wait, did I mention anime? If Jesus were alive today, he would recommend you watch this anime movie. Despite it being a Buddhist cult movie. It's about the problem of fear and people being driven into hysterias.


He would also recommend Haibane Renmei, because it has angels and talks about the nature of sin. And possibly either Magic Knight Rayearth or Record of Lodoss War, both of which talk about the dangers of a centralized government. And Kare Kano, about being fake and having an overly polished persona.


Since germs and diseases aren't real, I imagine that you're an extremely unhygienic and unsanitary person. Gross.

I do take showers. When I feel really sweaty or gross, or have someone I want to be around, or a job to go to; otherwise there's no point. When I had a steady job, this was closer to every day. But now that everyone is declared "nonessential" many people, not just myself, have basically ****ed off hygiene. So on behalf of everyone, thank you for giving me nowhere to go, and no reason to clean myself. My tangled messy hair, and my gaining five lb thanks you too.

Hyperbolic straw men are totally persuasive and not the least bit insulting. :rolleyes:

Fair enough. Here's a real straw man to fight. Careful, he's got mesh armor.

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What if I'm here to heal you, and that's why god brought you to this forum? What if god wants me to bestow my wisdom upon you to cure your mind of disease, figuratively speaking?

Doubtful. As I said before, the people who most need healing are those who don't even understand what they need most. I have had plenty of safety all my life. Avoided jobs that were high pressure or high stress, avoiding high drama relationships, avoid high rent apartments in favor of living at home. I'm a loser with few friends, and I know it. But I also know exactly what healing looks like.

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This is healing. These people are happy and fulfilled, even if they die tomorrow.

This, on the other hand....

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Do any of these people look happy to you? Does this situation look healthy?
 
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OtherSheep

<--@ Titangel
I simply asked why doesn't he instead act out of compassion? Your depiction of god places bruised ego before innocent children.

And you STILL think you have the right to tell God what to do.

Why aren't you doing something to stop wars, Heathen?
It is, after all, being done by unbelievers like you.


Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
 
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