Mike.Hester
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If you understood a solar myth what you quoted makes perfect since.The problem is that most people take your quotation literally. The entire bible is poorly constructed solar myth missunderstood by Western man.
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Nigerian Singer Sentenced to Death for Blasphemy
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Honestly, I didn't know that. Thank you very much that you cleared that up for me.
However, that never happened, it seems to me.
God first said "they will be put to death"... and then it didn't happen. I mean the physical death, since this is what you are talking of.
I'd like to support my view using scripture here:
Judges 17:6 - everyone did what they wanted. And yet God didn't kill everyone on the spot.
John 8:7 - the women didn't get stoned to death. To get a standpoint from the NT.
both elements were sine qua non, as I see it: God's permission and Elischa's call to do that. The Bible does not teach that God would have done this on his own.
Googling "Solar Myth" I find a page called "Solar Mythology and the Jesus Story".
It contains the statement "Jesus, who never existed, whose story existed prior to his alleged time, is a personification of the Sun".
I don't dismiss the possibility that an historical Jesus didn't exist. An historical Jesus is not necessary to account for the NT, but there may have been one nonetheless.
But even if Jesus didn't exist, I can think of a great many better reasons why Mark (the foundational bio of Jesus) was written than the solar myth notion.
What do you say is the most persuasive feature of the Solar Myth idea?
That's a different argument. The question is what the Law says, rather than when, where or whether it was observed.
That's a witty shaming device rather than the Law. The Law doesn't require anyone to be "without sin" before they can join in the execution. Nor (unlike Mark's Jesus with the Sabbath) does John's Jesus declare that the Law no longer applies. (Matthew's Jesus, you'll recall, says the Law is set in stone until the Kingdom is established.)
It's a difficult story, that. It paints both Elisha and God in such a nasty, petty, vicious light that maybe Elisha indeed had a seemingly miraculous revenge on the kids. Or maybe it was meant to intimidate the reader ─ who knows?
but the Law also said that the woman AND the man shall die. Adultery is no one-way solution.
So it was a good shaming device, I think.
The law still applies.
But as we see in above mentioned Judges 17:6,... even if nobody is ruled by the law, God still does not kill physically.
I had to think about that for a while.
Right two verses before, both were cast in the most beautiful light in the world.
They save children in the one spot and kill children in the next.
You need to know, this comes at a time when Israel had plenty of other gods they worshipped.
So I take this story as a hint from God that he is the one who takes lives, but he is also the one who is the giver of life.
To remind ourselves how we got there in our discussion:
This part of the discussion started at a point where, at some place in this world, insulting a prophet would be enough to send someone to jail.
But I don't get to see where the same people would save others. They send to jail, they chop off heads for "insulting" religion and that's it. This is at least how I see the issue here.
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[He expressly sanctions a great deal of killing if the bible is to be believed, from invasive wars, massacres of populations and mass rapes, to human sacrifices (nine deaths are specified), and so on.
Most of that is because the bible is a record of changing views across a thousand years of history, from the bronze to the iron age, and ancient moralities including the status of women, religious intolerance, homosexuality, slavery, the death penalty and so on.
I like to think we're better than we used to be. The facts don't always seem to bear that out, but it's not all negative.
God kills billions of people. He still keeps doing so by limiting man's life time on earth. This is my view since I believe Bible. I think God is behind all this.
He gave life, he may take it, as I see it.
Mike.Hester
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God the bible, which the religion of peace have adapted, is a violent and murderous deity. Again repeat, if you have a working knowledge of evolution and involution,it is at once you detect a solar myth poorly written and believed by millions
Solar deity - Wikipedia
Solar deity - Wikipedia
no, God is not a murderous deity.
Murder is unlawful killing.
Let me compare it to the police conficating things at times. It's confiscation as opposed to theft. Theft is unlawful.
I have no argument with the role of death in evolution. I accept that I will die, and that death is the end.
But God neither says nor does. Only humans say and do. The unjust, pro rata, win as many lotteries as the just. It seems to me that the world behaves exactly as if God only existed as a concept, a thing imagined, in individual brains.
Not that I mind religion. If people are decent, and inclusive, I don't think religion or no religion matters. Nor, were there a just god, would it worry [him ] either. (Interestingly, the Buddha said the same thing. I'm not a Buddhist, though.)
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here. This came to my mind yesterday, many people claim to have dreams and visions of Jesus, for instance this one here: After Visions of Jesus, Imam Renounces Islam | Open Doors USA
That God is a dream fits what we know, no?
This person claims that God spoke to him in a dream. He subsequently suffered severe persecuation.
If he thought it was just a dream/ just a hallocination, why bother to get persecuted?