No, it was just an example of a hypothesis of how the universe could have arisen from nothing
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Are there questions God doesn't want you to ask?
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No, it was just an example of a hypothesis of how the universe could have arisen from nothing
Imagine the hypothetical situation that we start assuming people with childhood leukemia deserve it due to transgressions in past lives?
Hard pass.
ppp
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Definitely. A profoundly immoral system.
If I said somebody knew everything about the Ford Motor Company....would that have to include its future too, like its future projects and existence?
I never thought the phrase “knowing everything” included fortune telling.
stvdv
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From my strong sense of justice I don't feel happy if a serial rapists should get away with it, and "reincarnation justice" seems better than nothing
Although, personally I have no clue who I was (or if I was) in a previous birth. So a punishment in a next life seems even useless to me
So, my example was as seen from a serial killer; never thought to twist it around, as I don't believe in reincarnation even
TagliatelliMonster
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Or Acanthamoeba keratitis
TagliatelliMonster
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Human beings didn't create leukemia dude.
Neither did they create the plague or Acanthamoeba keratitis
Leukemia isn't a lie either. It's a type of cancer. And we know for a fact that cancer predates humans by MILLIONS of years.
stvdv
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I would be surprised though, seeing all the craziness many do in this life, that people were any better in the past. It's a Kali Yuga thing they say
This reincarnation seems to be a good solution to have justice though. But then I think we should be aware of it, although this might "kill us"
But I guess this is one of the many mysteries we will never know for sure how it works. And maybe that's Grace, to not know
stvdv
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Do you believe in "justice should happen" when someone is a serial rapist?
And if justice should happen, but does not happen in this life ... how about your "should"?
Would reincarnation be a bad idea in your view?
Piculet
Active Member
Acts 2:23
this Man, delivered over by the predetermined plan and foreknowledge of God, you nailed to a cross by the hands of godless men and put Him to death.
Source: 138 Bible verses about God, All Knowing
This answer was so disjointed about what I said, I'm not sure what you are trying to say.
stvdv
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A question.
Suppose I put a glass of poison in front of you (which I created/made/bottled), and tell you it's poison that will toxify your blood ("poison leukemia" to give it just a name) and it will eventually kill humans who drink it. You drink it anyway. Do you now claim that, because I made the poison therefore "poison leukemia" is the thing that I created? I would say it's your personal "sin" that caused the disease, claiming otherwise is contrary to science, don't you think?
And so much more but we don't want to hit him with to many difficult questions
Leukemia is not a choice nor is it caused by sin.
TagliatelliMonster
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In post #20, you implied that humans were the source of cancers like childhood leukemia.
I'm informing you that such conditions / deseases, as well as germs and parasites, are far older then human beings.
TagliatelliMonster
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A responsible parent who actually loves his children, wouldn't place a bottle of poison within its reach.
That's one.
The second is that leukemia is obviously not a choice. So your analogy, how utterly invalid and inhuman as it might be, isn't even accurate.
ecco
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Which Christianity? Mormons and Pentacostolists and Roman Catholics and Universalists are so different they may as well be different religions.
ecco
Veteran Member
You were talking about God...
I think you believe God is omniscient.
om·nis·cient
/ämˈnisēənt,ämˈniSHənt/
adjective
knowing everything.
/ämˈnisēənt,ämˈniSHənt/
adjective
knowing everything.
Does God Know Everything? (Omniscient)
The Bible teaches that God is all-knowing or omniscient. The word "omniscient" comes from two Latin words omnis signifying all, and scientia signifying knowledge. When we say that God is omniscient it means that He has perfect knowledge of all things. He does not have to learn anything and He has not forgotten anything. God does not have to reason things out, find out things, or learn them gradually. He knows everything that has happened and everything that will happen.
Because God knows everything that will happen, this allows Him to predict the future ahead of time. We read the Lord saying that He,
If these aren't your beliefs, then I apologize for entering into this discussion. I thought you believed your God was omniscient.Declares the end from the beginning, and from ancient times things which have not been done, saying, 'My purpose will be established, and I will accomplish all my good pleasure (Isaiah 46:10).
I read #20 and reread it.... and I can't seem to understand how you synthesized what I said to "humans were the source of cancers".
This is what #20 says:
"If but by logic, if God created a creative human being... then obviously what the human being created wasn't created by God.
If Satan if the Father of Lies then, in essence, it was Satan who created it as the father of it. Since God cannot lie and there is no lie in Him, then He didn't create it."
Just don't see sickness in what I said but rather, in answer to a persons statement and to say it differently, if I create a piece of art, then God didn't create it.
As far as sickness, in my understanding as a Christian, ultimately the author of it is Satan and not created by God:
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
Jesus gives life and the thief (as manifested by Leukemia) steals, kills and destroys.
1 John 3:8 For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
If Jesus when about doing good and healing all who were oppressed of the devil and destroy sickness... then sickness (ultimately) was created by the devil
Now, of course scientifically we would say sickness is a biological function and that would be true. But even health is a biological function but all that we see is created by and driven by spiritual forces so regardless the source is still spiritual. The devil perverts God's order and manifests the perversion in things like Leukemia.
Sorry if I created any confusion and hope this clarifies.
Apology accepted.