Man to Man... or Woman

eik · Aug 15, 2020

Saint Frankenstein said:
Well, I know what I was when I was a young child, nevermind your insulting bs.

Concepts:

Proverbs 30:11
There is a kind of man who curses his father
And does not bless his mother.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.

Proverbs 17:25
A foolish son is a grief to his father
And bitterness to her who bore him.

What you are, or what your background is, I do not know, and make no pretensions to knowing. Yet my "insulting bs" is sourced in the world's greatest wisdom. Just because your humanist philosophy doesn't happen to agree with it, does not give you any right to call it "BS."

Shadow Wolf · Aug 15, 2020

eik said:
LMAO. They don't "identify" with anything because they are under the control of their parents. If their parents let them do whatever they like, then children will be left to their own inclinations. Eventually, when they do become sexual beings, it will be too late, if they have been left without any control.

You engage in the heresy of assuming that children are autonomous moral agents from birth, which is rubbish. They are entirely under the control and instruction of their parents, and generally will espouse their moral values, if they have any.

You assume our parents let us run wild. Definitely not the case with me parents who adhered to an ultra strict authoritarian pare ting style.

Shadow Wolf · Aug 15, 2020

eik said:
Concepts:

Proverbs 30:11
There is a kind of man who curses his father
And does not bless his mother.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.

Proverbs 17:25
A foolish son is a grief to his father
And bitterness to her who bore him.

What you are, or what your background is, I do not know, and make no pretensions to knowing. Yet my "insulting bs" is sourced in the world's greatest wisdom. Just because your humanist philosophy doesn't happen to agree with it, does not give you any right to call it "BS."

You are being pretentious, obsequious, and arrogant with your assumptions. You say that to someone who is Christian, someone who did dearly love his mother.

PearlSeeker · Aug 16, 2020

eik said:
Listen to your one of your own prophets then:

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

George Santayana

(he was an atheist too).

You just made a totally baseless claim. As a Christian I feel obligated to warn if someone is representing a wrong picture of Christianity.

You use Bible as science books instead of source of spiritual information. You seek words of flesh.

I have never denied demonic possessions. I just wanted to point out that in the past they didn't distinguish between demonic and non-demonic issues (independent mental/physical issues). They just didn't have this knowledge. Here is the official position of the Catholic Church:

"1673.
When the Church asks publicly and authoritatively in the name of Jesus Christ that a person or object be protected against the power of the Evil One and withdrawn from his dominion, it is called exorcism. Jesus performed exorcisms and from him the Church has received the power and office of exorcizing. In a simple form, exorcism is performed at the celebration of Baptism. the solemn exorcism, called "a major exorcism," can be performed only by a priest and with the permission of the bishop. the priest must proceed with prudence, strictly observing the rules established by the Church. Exorcism is directed at the expulsion of demons or to the liberation from demonic possession through the spiritual authority which Jesus entrusted to his Church. Illness, especially psychological illness, is a very different matter; treating this is the concern of medical science. Therefore, before an exorcism is performed, it is important to ascertain that one is dealing with the presence of the Evil One, and not an illness."

(Catechism, emphasis added)

Saint Frankenstein · Aug 16, 2020

eik said:
Concepts:

Proverbs 30:11
There is a kind of man who curses his father
And does not bless his mother.

Proverbs 22:6
Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it.

Proverbs 17:25
A foolish son is a grief to his father
And bitterness to her who bore him.

What you are, or what your background is, I do not know, and make no pretensions to knowing. Yet my "insulting bs" is sourced in the world's greatest wisdom. Just because your humanist philosophy doesn't happen to agree with it, does not give you any right to call it "BS."

Any fool can take verses out of context and misinterpret them. How you connect those verses to trans kids, I have no idea and it doesn't matter because it's irrelevant.

I'm not a humanist. Boy, you love to throw around random labels that don't apply.

truthseeker7 · Aug 16, 2020

nPeace said:
In your view, is it okay for a man to want to be a woman, and take measures to reach that goal, such as by taking drugs to change his facial and body features etc.?
I was not able to view this video, but the facial structure of the person in the video image just got me thinking on this.
Your thoughts...

I DONT think its ok to do bodily harm unto yourself

Shadow Wolf · Aug 16, 2020

truthseeker7 said:
I DONT think its ok to do bodily harm unto yourself

Good thing Im transitioning then. Trying to live as male was causing me tremendous bodily and emotional harm. Now my blood work numbers are superb and my blood pressure even went down from prehypertension to a healthy and sound 115/65.

truthseeker7 · Aug 16, 2020

Shadow Wolf said:
Good thing Im transitioning then. Trying to live as male was causing me tremendous bodily and emotional harm. Now my blood work numbers are superb and my blood pressure even went down from prehypertension to a healthy and sound 115/65.

do what you want-its a free country, but if it means taking drugs, and causing harm to yourself-i aint for it

Shadow Wolf · Aug 16, 2020

truthseeker7 said:
do what you want-its a free country, but if it means taking drugs, and causing harm to yourself-i aint for it

I take drugs for chronic knee pain and moderate arthritis, I take a drug for a vitamin supplement, I take a drug for allergies,and I take a drug for when my lungs need a little help opening up. I also take a drug to increase the estrogen in my body and block the effects of testosterone. And as I indicated, the harm done was not transitioning. Without, I was so utterly unable to care that it's very liekly I'd have a criminal record by now and possible I may have even died from drug abuse by now. But anymore it's been years since I've beem drunk (I basically lost my want and desire for drunkenness once I began hormones), and jaywalking is as criminal as it gets for me.

eik · Aug 16, 2020

PearlSeeker said:
.... Illness, especially psychological illness, is a very different matter; treating this is the concern of medical science. Therefore, before an exorcism is performed, it is important to ascertain that one is dealing with the presence of the Evil One, and not an illness."
(Catechism, emphasis added)

I do not accept that there is such a distinction to be drawn as you have made out between psychological illness and demonic possession. Also, I am not a Catholic, but a biblical literalist.

eik · Aug 16, 2020

Shadow Wolf said:
You are being pretentious, obsequious, and arrogant with your assumptions. You say that to someone who is Christian, someone who did dearly love his mother.

I do not accept that it is in the least arrogant to quote the bible. Quoting the bible would however always be condemned by Satan upon some pretext or another.

eik · Aug 16, 2020

Saint Frankenstein said:
Any fool can take verses out of context and misinterpret them.

They are self-contextualizing and do not need interpreting.

Saint Frankenstein said:
How you connect those verses to trans kids, I have no idea and it doesn't matter because it's irrelevant.

Trans-kids? Your humanist fabrication.

Saint Frankenstein said:
I'm not a humanist. Boy, you love to throw around random labels that don't apply.

Yes you are. Your use of the phrase "trans kids" is pure humanism and rooted in love of humanist philosophy. It certainly would not be used by God to describe anyone, or by anyone genuinely religious. May be you should read the bible some more, since you claim to be a Christian.

eik · Aug 16, 2020

Shadow Wolf said:
You assume our parents let us run wild. Definitely not the case with me parents who adhered to an ultra strict authoritarian pare ting style.

I assumed no such thing. I was simply making the point that children of a young age are ruled by their parents and do not make such choices as were being alleged to have been made by them in respect of transgenderism. They are not moral agents. They cannot be prosecuted under criminal law. They do not have independent powers of action. Only when they grow up, 10-12 years of age, do they begin to make moral choices.

eik · Aug 16, 2020

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Shadow Wolf said:
Thats called dissociative disorder.

It's also called being under the control of sin. See Romans 7:23 "But I see a different law in the parts of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and taking me prisoner to the law of sin in the parts of my body." and Romans 7:7 onwards. In acute cases it is what is known as demonic possession.

Saint Frankenstein · Aug 16, 2020

eik said:
They are self-contextualizing and do not need interpreting.

Trans-kids? Your humanist fabrication.

Yes you are. Your use of the phrase "trans kids" is pure humanism and rooted in love of humanist philosophy. It certainly would not be used by God to describe anyone, or by anyone genuinely religious. May be you should read the bible some more, since you claim to be a Christian.

Transsexualism is something you're born with, so kids who have transsexualism ("trans kids"), yes. I am definitely not making up my own existence. What a ridiculous accusation.

What are you trying to say, that adjectives are against biblical teaching? :facepalm:

Shadow Wolf · Aug 16, 2020

eik said:
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It's also called being under the control of sin. See Romans 7:23 "But I see a different law in the parts of my body, waging war against the law of my mind and taking me prisoner to the law of sin in the parts of my body." and Romans 7:7 onwards. In acute cases it is what is known as demonic possession.

The Bible doesn't prove these things. No more than the Necronomicon proves the existence and location of R'lyeh.
And, again, if there is demonic possession, its to be scared of the dark because lithium can calm them and respirodone silences them. We don't even needd a priest anymore. Just science and modern medicine.

eik said:
I assumed no such thing. I was simply making the point that children of a young age are ruled by their parents and do not make such choices as were being alleged to have been made by them in respect of transgenderism. They are not moral agents. They cannot be prosecuted under criminal law. They do not have independent powers of action. Only when they grow up, 10-12 years of age, do they begin to make moral choices.

If that were true it would be impossible for a child to shiw regret or remorse.
And, yes, even at such a young age I was gravitating towards girls things the way girls do. My parents didn't allow for it and I was made to have and do boy things. That didn't matter though, except to make things worse for me.

Shadow Wolf · Aug 16, 2020

eik said:
I do not accept that it is in the least arrogant to quote the bible. Quoting the bible would however always be condemned by Satan upon some pretext or another.

Its arrogant to assume and state he hates god and his mother, that he was rebellious, amd the rest of that nonsense.

eik · Aug 16, 2020

Saint Frankenstein said:
Transsexualism is something you're born with, so kids who have transsexualism ("trans kids"), yes. I am definitely not making up my own existence. What a ridiculous accusation.

What are you trying to say, that adjectives are against biblical teaching?

You're preaching pure humanism. Nowhere is what you say ever seen in the bible. There will always be a problem with reconciling the bible to your humanist philosophy. If you don't recognize trans-sexualism as humanist, you have a real problem with integrity as well as with credibility. There is an irreconcilable disconnect between your philosophy and the bible. Just admit it. OK.

Rival · Aug 16, 2020

eik said:
You're preaching pure humanism. Nowhere is what you say ever seen in the bible. There will always be a problem with reconciling the bible to your humanist philosophy. If you don't recognize trans-sexualism as humanist, you have a real problem with integrity as well as with credibility. There is an irreconcilable disconnect between your philosophy and the bible. Just admit it. OK.

Would it kill you to come to terms with the fact that people can believe things differently to you and be sincere about it, without your whining at them about how wrong they are? What about compassion, would it kill you to have some of that? How about love and understanding? No-one has imbued you with the power to tell people what and who they are, and especially not because their Christianity isn't the same as your Christianity. I hate to break it to you, but you're not going to be the only one in Heaven.

Saint Frankenstein · Aug 16, 2020

Rival said:
Would it kill you to come to terms with the fact that people can believe things differently to you and be sincere about it, without your whining at them about how wrong they are? What about compassion, would it kill you to have some of that? How about love and understanding? No-one has imbued you with the power to tell people what and who they are, and especially not because their Christianity isn't the same as your Christianity. I hate to break it to you, but you're not going to be the only one in Heaven.

This, exactly. (Lol, it looks like a middle finger. Sorry, sis.)

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