Oral Sex

Saint Frankenstein said:

The sexual instinct is the strongest in existence after eating, drinking and breathing.

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The salient difference is that sex is not necessary for existence whereas eating, drinking and breathing are.
Sex is only necessary for survival of the species. Anything else is optional.

Trailblazer said:

The salient difference is that sex is not necessary for existence whereas eating, drinking and breathing are.
Sex is only necessary for survival of the species. Anything else is optional.

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Human biology didn't seem to get the memo. We're biologically wired to be obsessed with sex.

I keep trying to compose a serious response but I can't stop giggling

I'm no help here

Saint Frankenstein said:

Human biology didn't seem to get the memo. We're biologically wired to be obsessed with sex.

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But biology should not be in the driver's seat, Imo.
I used to be obsessed with sex, but not anymore, so that shows it is possible not to be.

I do not believe humans are animals so they were not designed to have sex like animals do. God is calling us to struggle against our animal nature and to become who we truly are: not sexual beings, but spiritual beings who are in control of the physical side of our nature and who can thus find true happiness living in conformity with God’s will.

A possible explanation of why God has made it so hard to struggle against our animal nature is because if it were too easy, it wouldn't be worth anything. Or put another way, because only by being challenged can we really prove our love for God.

Onoma said:

I'm no help here

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But you could be if you said something.
What's so funny to you?

All I am willing to admit is that I blame Zappa

Trailblazer said:

But biology should not be in the driver's seat, Imo.
I used to be obsessed with sex, but not anymore, so that shows it is possible not to be.

I do not believe humans are animals so they were not designed to have sex like animals do. God is calling us to struggle against our animal nature and to become who we truly are: not sexual beings, but spiritual beings who are in control of the physical side of our nature and who can thus find true happiness living in conformity with God’s will.

A possible explanation of why God has made it so hard to struggle against our animal nature is because if it were too easy, it wouldn't be worth anything. Or put another way, because only by being challenged can we really prove our love for God.

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I don't know about our souls, but I go with science when it comes to our flesh and science categorizes us as a primate member of the animal kingdom. When it comes to sex, I have a more relaxed attitude towards it these days. No one should remove responsibility or forethought and just be operating on pure instinct, but if something can't be shown to be objectively harmful, I don't see the point of not just having a live and let live approach.

Saint Frankenstein said:

You can't transcend being an animal unless you become some entirely different form of life. The sexual instinct is the strongest in existence after eating, drinking and breathing.

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HUMANS are capable of overriding their 'instincts'.

Saint Frankenstein said:

I don't know about our souls, but I go with science when it comes to our flesh and science categorizes us as a primate member of the animal kingdom. When it comes to sex, I have a more relaxed attitude towards it these days. No one should remove responsibility or forethought and just be operating on pure instinct, but if something can't be shown to be objectively harmful, I don't see the point of not just having a live and let live approach.

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I leave that up to God, so I go by what my scriptures say.
But I am all for live and let live because nobody should ever judge another person.
As Jesus said "judge not lest ye be judged."

Saint Frankenstein said:

Actually, it does. If someone enjoys making porn vids or pics, performs of their own free will and discretion and approves of the final product, how are they being exploited? There's many people (male and female), who simply enjoy having sex on video and sharing it. Humans are animals and it's quite normal to want to see people having ssx, and there's many people who are more than happy to let you watch.

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I do think we have to distinguish between the production of porn videos for an individual's (or couple's, or small circle of friend's) gratification, and the production of porn for the purpose of sale, distribution and marketing within the confines of a capitalist system in order to generate a profit. These two tend to impart very different motivations and effects on the individuals participating.

From what I gather from this thread, most people believe oral sex is acceptable. It really is a shame. But I know where I stand on this. Giving and receiving oral sex is perverted. I know full well that women and men say they like giving oral sex but if you really examine people you'd realise many don't. As I said before, the pleasure derived from oral sex can only be described as perverted. It really is disgusting.

We always ask ourselves in our faith, What would Yahshua do? It helps us predicate our decisions on the Word as Yahshua was an embodiment of the Word, the Word made flesh (John 1:14). Yahshua certainly wouldn't engage in oral sex or pornography as someone mentioned. Yahshua was a holy person. Romans 1:26 - 1:27 speaks of men and women giving up the 'natural use' to pursue evil. Sexual intercourse between a man and a woman is the natural use of the genitalia. If they are natural uses, they are also unnatural uses. Oral sex is unnatural.

Someone (I think Rival) compared us to animals and how they act. But what does Job 35:11 say:
Who teacheth us more than the beasts of the earth,
And maketh us wiser than the birds of the heavens?

We shouldn't act like animals. We shouldn't compare ourselves to animals.

2 Corinthians 11:3 says
"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve in his craftiness, your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity and the purity that is toward the Messiah."

Nowadays, oral sex is accepted as commonplace in relationships but that didn't use to be the case, and one has to ask themselves why. It's because society has become more evil. And the sad thing is, most people don't have the conscience to make a distinction between right and wrong. We all know the right way to have sex don't we? We know it. Who complains about having sex the right way? It's no point pretending that everything is up in the air and we don't have any sort of direction. If there's a right way to have sex, there must be a wrong way to have sex too and oral sex is a wrong way to have sex.

Trailblazer said:

That is called cherry picking. Here is another cherry.

Matthew 25:45-46 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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I don't follow. Your response to (presumed) cherry picking is a cherry pick?

There are hundreds of CLEAR verses that say things like "TRUST JESUS FOR SALVATION".

There are many UNCLEAR verses like "say to THEM you didn't do this to me and THESE shall go to Hell, THESE to life eternal". You have:

THEM = WORKS

I have:

THEM = unsaved/not born again because they didn't TRUST JESUS FOR SALVATION.

Either the Bible teaches works salvation or trust salvation. It does not teach both.

Saint Frankenstein said:

It's both. Faith without works is dead:

"14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."
- James 2:14-26.

One depends on the other. Obviously, if you truly believe in Christ and seek to emulate Him, it will reflect in your behavior and how you treat yourself and others.

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It's not both. It's not "Jesus mostly saved me, and I save myself some."

To be like the heroes of the above passage, by the way, you'd have to vow to make a human sacrifice and then not do so, or be a prostitute who lies to keep Israelites safe. Is that the saving work you are referring to...?

Saint Frankenstein said:

We're biologically wired to be obsessed with sex.

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Obsessed sounds a bit strong.

Trailblazer said:

God is calling us to struggle against our animal nature and to become who we truly are: not sexual beings, but spiritual beings who are in control of the physical side of our nature and who can thus find true happiness living in conformity with God’s will.

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Why should we have to struggle? God made us as we are.

Trailblazer said:

A possible explanation of why God has made it so hard to struggle against our animal nature is because if it were too easy, it wouldn't be worth anything. Or put another way, because only by being challenged can we really prove our love for God.

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Oh. I see.

What a petty little god you revere. He needs his creations to love him. Sounds like Donald Trump.

Messianic Israelite said:

From what I gather from this thread, most people believe oral sex is acceptable. It really is a shame. But I know where I stand on this. Giving and receiving oral sex is perverted.

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Perhaps the people who obsess about sex and want others to conform to their views are the ones who are perverted.

Messianic Israelite said:

I know full well that women and men say they like giving oral sex but if you really examine people you'd realise many don't.

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How many people did you examine before you came to this nonsensical conclusion? The only thing you really know comes from your own biased little opinions.

Messianic Israelite said:

Nowadays, oral sex is accepted as commonplace in relationships but that didn't use to be the case, and one has to ask themselves why.

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How do you know what used to be the case? You don't. You are again just stating your own little biased opinions.

Messianic Israelite said:

And the sad thing is, most people don't have the conscience to make a distinction between right and wrong.

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Riiight. It is only a chosen few like yourself who really knows right from wrong. What makes you think you are so special?

Messianic Israelite said:

If there's a right way to have sex, there must be a wrong way to have sex too and oral sex is a wrong way to have sex.

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You believe your god created humans in his own image. If that is true, your god knew all the things mouths and tongues could be used for.

Few humans squash cockroaches and eat their slime. That's because your god made that distasteful.

Oral sex, on the other hand, is not distasteful at all. It is quite enjoyable.

Tambourine said:

I do think we have to distinguish between the production of porn videos for an individual's (or couple's, or small circle of friend's) gratification, and the production of porn for the purpose of sale, distribution and marketing within the confines of a capitalist system in order to generate a profit. These two tend to impart very different motivations and effects on the individuals participating.

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Yes, there's exploration in the industry side of things, but that's true of all industries under capitalism so I see no reason to single out porn.

BilliardsBall said:

It's not both. It's not "Jesus mostly saved me, and I save myself some."

To be like the heroes of the above passage, by the way, you'd have to vow to make a human sacrifice and then not do so, or be a prostitute who lies to keep Israelites safe. Is that the saving work you are referring to...?

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Wow, apparently you don't even understand straight forward Biblical passages.

Secret Chief said:

Obsessed sounds a bit strong.

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Preoccupied, whatever.

Saint Frankenstein said:

Preoccupied, whatever.

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OK, but speaking only for myself: no.