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Oral Sex

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
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Premium Member
No. They choose to pay bills making movies. And not all people (I would even guess most, but to be certain) want to be on such business. They have been driven there by something and find it difficult to leave. But are they healthy individuals? Do you honestly think that for a woman to show her private parts to millions of people makes her feel good? One would have to be quite twisted to feel good about. And I know there are plenty of people in the sex indulsty who suffer of mental health problems. All career paths have those of course but what about the woman just doing movies to pay bills who secretly just wants to kill herself or who does drugs in order to do her job?
Why is it always about women? Why not men? Some people enjoy doing porn, that's why many of them do it. You can watch interviews of the actors on the internet. No industry is perfect and that includes porn, but if that's what they want to do, that's what they want to do.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I think you would find that people who are obsessed with sex are the ones uncomfortable with sex.

It wasn't someone who was comfortable with oral sex that started this thread.
Did it ever occur to you that someone can be uncomfortable with sex for a reason other than being obsessed?
Maybe it is just a matter of their religious convictions. Of course you cannot understand that because you do not even believe in God.

Imo, sex is such a waste of time, but don't let me stop you, we all have our own priorities.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
Trusting Jesus is salvation. Not denying self. John 3:16, John 1:12.
Jesus said to deny self of you want to save your soul.

Matthew 16:24-26 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Christians do not want to deny self or sacrifice their worldly desires, so they come up with all kinds of excuses so they can keep living for self and the world.

John 12:24-26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

Matthew 6:19-21 Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal;but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.


How many more verses do you need?
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
No. They choose to pay bills making movies. And not all people (I would even guess most, but to be certain) want to be on such business. They have been driven there by something and find it difficult to leave. But are they healthy individuals? Do you honestly think that for a woman to show her private parts to millions of people makes her feel good? One would have to be quite twisted to feel good about. And I know there are plenty of people in the sex indulsty who suffer of mental health problems. All career paths have those of course but what about the woman just doing movies to pay bills who secretly just wants to kill herself or who does drugs in order to do her job?

That's the same with all jobs. Many need to work and however they got one job over another, like other jobs if that's the one that pays the bills, that's the one they keep.

I don't see private parts as an issue. I'm not sure why many do if not their religious convictions.

Do All people in the sex industry suffer from mental health problems?

That's a generalization.

Does having sex cause mental health problems?

If someone on this forum decide to go into the sex industry, how are they at more risk of mental health risks specific to the job they do?
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
I know people have choices, but my question is general. What makes the topic itself private regardless people's choices to keep it so?

Not a personal question.
It is not private unless people choose to keep it private.
I used to like talking about sex, but not anymore.
It's so boring.
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
You don't seem to understand that it doesn't matter what they think. They are still being used and exploited sexually, and they are still using and exploiting others, sexually, for money. Junkies are happy to trade anything they have, for drugs. And they love the high they get in return. That justifies nothing. And it changes nothing. The addiction is still destroying them, and the people profiting off that addiction are still aiding and abetting that human destruction, for their own profit.
What you describe here, is simply capitalism. Everyone who does labor for money is being used and exploited.
It's an experience intrinsic to the working class.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
That does not address my question regarding your comment...
How do you propose to regulate the sex impulse?
I do not propose to do so. It is up to people to regulate it themselves if they choose to do so.
Harm is harm. It should be easy for you to say how two or three 25-year-olds having consensual sex harms anyone.
It might not harm the body but it will harm the soul, as Jesus said.

Matthew 16:24-26 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Since you do not believe in God, I do not expect you to understand, but since you are pressing the issue, below is an excerpt from a post that was posted by a Baha’i I totally respect, and he gave me full permission to re-post it. What he said is not an official Baha’i viewpoint but it reflects my own ideas about sex so I see no need to reinvent the wheel.

Ah, but that is conflating love and sex (which, yeah, people do all the time). Sex is not love and love is not sex, nor is there any necessary relationship between the two. In human beings it is true that sex typically plays a bonding role in a certain type of loving relationship, but it's not necessary to it (however much people think it is). We love lots of people who we would (unless something is wrong with us) never consider having sex with: children, parents, close friends, etc. One might even add household pets to the list.

Sex is primarily about reproduction. That's why it even exists in the first place. It's a biological mechanism that increases diversity in the gene pool, for one thing. Its role in relationships in some species is a secondary role, not the primary one, which evolved much later. Sex is not something only cute furry creatures do for bonding. Reptiles and amphibians and insects and even plants have sex lives. It evolved as a means of reproduction, and only later acquired secondary roles. Those who want to divorce it completely from its primary role (and they do exist; I've been in discussions where people have argued quite strenuously that sex isn't about reproduction at all!) are in a very real sense attempting to force it to conform to their own selfish desires . . . and that, ultimately, is what is against our spiritual nature.

Our spiritual nature cannot be developed except by "dying to self" and "living in God." God has given us a dual nature: one material and one spiritual. Sex is part of the material nature, however much it may be able to play a role in a truly loving relationship. It is not what we are, even though people insist that it is. God is calling us to struggle against our lower nature and to become who we truly are: not material beings, not sexual beings, but spiritual beings who are in control of the physical side of our nature and who can thus find true happiness living in conformity with His will. Although not scriptural, there is a possible explanation of why He has made it so hard that I ran across long ago in a Baha'i children's book: Because if it were too easy, it wouldn't be worth anything. Or put another way, because only by being challenged can we really prove our love for God.​
 

ecco

Veteran Member
I don't know where you're getting all this from. I have nothing against human sexuality. I am only against the exploitation of it for profit.

As I said...
Puritanical do-gooders who want to regulate sex and gambling and drinking have done more harm than good.
 

ecco

Veteran Member
And I know there are plenty of people in the sex indulsty who suffer of mental health problems.

How do you know "there are plenty of people in the sex indulsty who suffer of mental health problems"?


All career paths have those of course but what about the woman just doing movies to pay bills who secretly just wants to kill herself or who does drugs in order to do her job?

Name one.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
You don't seem to understand that it doesn't matter what they think
Actually, it does. If someone enjoys making porn vids or pics, performs of their own free will and discretion and approves of the final product, how are they being exploited? There's many people (male and female), who simply enjoy having sex on video and sharing it. Humans are animals and it's quite normal to want to see people having ssx, and there's many people who are more than happy to let you watch.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
What you describe here, is simply capitalism. Everyone who does labor for money is being used and exploited.
It's an experience intrinsic to the working class.
What I describe is the effect of amoral greed. And yes, capitalism does foster and reward amoral greed. Which is bad for individuals and for society. And is particularly bad for young people who have full access to the amoral greed of pornography and little to no guidance from grown ups about how to honestly and functionally interpret that cesspool of exploitative imagery.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Actually, it does. If someone enjoys making porn vids or pics, performs of their own free will and discretion and approves of the final product, how are they being exploited? There's many people (male and female), who simply enjoy having sex on video and sharing it. Humans are animals and it's quite normal to want to see people having ssx, and there's many people who are more than happy to let you watch.
To be truly human is to want to transcend being simply a 'dumb animal'.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Judaism has a purgatory type place after you die where you are purified of any sins you never repented for, and this is not a final destination for the majority of folks. There is also reincarnation so you can essentially 'try again'. In the end, most will enter the World to Come.

Yes, as a Jew, I'm aware of our myths about the Olam HaBa. Reincarnation makes no sense--since there are more people in the world constantly, and those who succeed at "trying again" should have "left".

He is the LORD GOD KING of the universe/world to come--LORD-GOD-KING our 3-in-1 God.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Jesus said to deny self of you want to save your soul.

Matthew 16:24-26 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Christians do not want to deny self or sacrifice their worldly desires, so they come up with all kinds of excuses so they can keep living for self and the world.

John 12:24-26 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit. He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal. If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my Father honour.

Matthew 6:19-21 Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal;but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.


How many more verses do you need?

As many as we can find that do not contradict plain statements like John 3:16, "Whoever trusts SHALL NOT PERISH". It's trust, not works.

That is much of the point of the entire book or Romans or Galatians, for two examples.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
To be truly human is to want to transcend being simply a 'dumb animal'.
You can't transcend being an animal unless you become some entirely different form of life. The sexual instinct is the strongest in existence after eating, drinking and breathing.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
As many as we can find that do not contradict plain statements like John 3:16, "Whoever trusts SHALL NOT PERISH". It's trust, not works.
That is called cherry picking. Here is another cherry.

Matthew 25:45-46 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
As many as we can find that do not contradict plain statements like John 3:16, "Whoever trusts SHALL NOT PERISH". It's trust, not works.

That is much of the point of the entire book or Romans or Galatians, for two examples.
It's both. Faith without works is dead:

"14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

18 But someone will say, “You have faith; I have deeds.”

Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds. 19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that—and shudder.

20 You foolish person, do you want evidence that faith without deeds is useless? 21 Was not our father Abraham considered righteous for what he did when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? 22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did. 23 And the scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness,” and he was called God’s friend. 24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.

25 In the same way, was not even Rahab the prostitute considered righteous for what she did when she gave lodging to the spies and sent them off in a different direction? 26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead."
- James 2:14-26.

One depends on the other. Obviously, if you truly believe in Christ and seek to emulate Him, it will reflect in your behavior and how you treat yourself and others.
 

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
James 2:24 You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and not by faith alone.
Baha'u'llah said essentially the same thing. :)

“The essence of faith is fewness of words and abundance of deeds; he whose words exceed his deeds, know verily his death is better than his life.”

“Man is like unto a tree. If he be adorned with fruit, he hath been and will ever be worthy of praise and commendation. Otherwise a fruitless tree is but fit for fire.” Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 156, 257
 
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