Unveiled Artist
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Maybe it is what it is but people need to believe there's a source?
I wonder what the would be like if we didn't need to find an origin to everything we came across. Hm.
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What CAN make you believe in the existence of God ?
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Maybe it is what it is but people need to believe there's a source?
I wonder what the would be like if we didn't need to find an origin to everything we came across. Hm.
The earth moves around the sun, and turns on its own axis. However, the Church of Galileo's time could not be convinced of that, because, first, they couldn't perceive any movement (and they always knew that whenever they moved relative to the earth, they could feel it), and because the Bible dogmatically insisted otherwise.
And yet, the evidence produced by Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo and others required only an act of imagination to understand and accept, and that the Church lacked. And as a consequence, Galileo was sentenced to house arrest for life.
The Church, and all those "great minds" within it, allowed their failure of imagination to pursuade them that their insight into the motions of the heavenly bodies was true.
Dave Watchman
Active Member
viole got it right.
Or was the first in the thread to get it right.
God is the answer.
“Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. - Jesus
Peaceful Sabbath.
If it were true and could be demonstrated as true.
Dave Watchman
Active Member
I wonder what the Atheist or nonbeliever thinks about the believers?
Do they wonder why we believe, and they do not?
Like when Thomas was surrounded by people who believed Jesus had risen, he said he couldn't believe it until he saw for himself. Then when he met Jesus, he could see for himself. Jesus offered to let Thomas feel His scars. Then he believed.
"Then Jesus told him, "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed."- John 20:29
It's like right near the end. Apocalyptic judgements are falling on the earth. Everyone alive remaining on earth will acknowledge that the God of the Bible is back. But they will remain unrepentant.
"The rest of mankind, who were not killed with these plagues, didn't repent of the works of their hands, that they wouldn't worship demons, and the idols of gold, and of silver, and of brass, and of stone, and of wood; which can neither see, nor hear, nor walk. - Revelation 9:20
"People gnawed their tongues in agony and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done. - Revelation 16:9
"Blessed are the ones that you cause to approach you
I think this question is best answered via philosophy and sociology. What makes a person believe what they do and how cultures are formed.
I doubt that atheists are in wonderment and amazement that some people believe in God. They seem to be fully aware of this fact.
I doubt most tend to think specifically about the believers but more about the effects of their beliefs, and I suspect they know why many do have such beliefs - the majority having such from early education and probably not leaving such faiths - given the numbers likely to renounce religion or change faiths (not that I know such but I would estimate it being quite low). And why others do not believe is a separate issue, and no doubt they will have different reasons for doing so - presumably this making as much sense as it does for the religious in their believing.
stvdv
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For starters a definition all agree on, that makes a little sense, and is easy to grasp
Wait, I see you use the word "believe" here.
I don't see much use in "believe", I am not so much into daydreaming. Especially not, when it's daydreaming about "Hell and Doom". One of the first instructions, when I started reading about Spirituality and Self Realization, was that we should stop Daydreaming.
Milton Platt
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Not really sure, since it is a unique claim and there is virtually no known way to test for supernatural things. But if a god exists, I would have to assume the god would know what evidence I needed to support belief. The god has not provided that evidence to me. Therefore, I must assume the god either does not want me to know, or does not care if know. In either case, there is nothing I can do about it.
Mr Spinkles
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I actually think the best way to answer this is by asking a question.
What makes you believe in the existence of a person you met face to face?
Why should it be any more difficult than that to demonstrate God’s existence? Puny mortals like us don’t have much trouble demonstrating that we exist. We have proved far more difficult things (like the existence of microbes, and atoms, and galaxies).
I conjecture the reason existence is such a particularly tricky thing for God, who is supposedly far more powerful than us, is because God does not exist.
Is gravity God?
You forgot "observe." So did you believe that gravity exist without ever observing it?
stvdv
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Or option 3) we have to figure it out ourself (if we really want to know)
(If I compare Spirituality to University, then I never wait for the professor to "provide the answers to me")
True "if God does not want you to know", and He is fully in control
Untrue "if God does not care if you know", you could still try to figure it out yourself
IF God does not care if we know THEN a natural reaction might be "I do not care to find out"
Of course it was your assumption "God does not care", which could be wrong
This could also main "God does not judge you, and gives you a free choice what to do with your time"
I am always surprised that people assume/expect that God will deliver evidence to them
I have never assumed/expected this to happen.
This makes no sense, when seen in the above example of a professor and "earning" a degree.
IF I do not want to work hard to find out all about "Spirituality" (to see if what the Wise explain in the Scriptures is true)
THEN I would just say "I am not interested to put my time and effort in this "Spiritual" stuff
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Better yet, CNN.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
If there were no Messengers of God, I would not know if there was a God.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Yeah, but the GOP would be screaming, "Fake news"
Well that is the position I am in, since I don't trust any religions (and hence any supposed messengers), thus leaving me with - is there, isn't there a god - and a question I can leave aside. Given I can't answer such on my own.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
Yeah, even if Jesus actually showed up on CNN.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
That's very true, so you are kind of in a catch-22 since you cannot believe in Messengers.Given I can't answer such on my own.