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Oral Sex

EsonauticSage

EsonauticSage

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If anything, regular intercourse is more representative of childbearing. Whereas oral sex, in some way, has qualities that is more reflective of the divine in the sense that it's role and connotations transcend any comparison with animal practices (yes cats and dogs lick themselves but that's not the same by a long shot).
 
Rival

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EsonauticSage said:
has qualities that is more reflective of the divine in the sense that it's role and connotations transcend any comparison with animal practices
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Animals have oral practices. Bat females fellate the bat males iirc.

Edit: And the other way around, I've just researched.
 
EsonauticSage

EsonauticSage

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If anything, I think Christian stigma against it has perhaps root in preconceptions about Pagan associations regarding god and goddess worship, seeing that the phallus is the sun and the vagina is the moon, symbolically.
But that is such a small connection given that all cultures have sex.................
 
EsonauticSage

EsonauticSage

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Messianic Israelite said:
......I have never engaged in and never will engage in oral sex. It is perverted sex. I know the right way and wrong way to have sex from the Law and the Word from passages such as Romans 1.................Satan has his system and oral sex is part of his domain, not Yahweh’s domain. I still regard myself as a young person, but I have to say, the older that I get the more I see that Yahweh’s Laws are for our psychological wellbeing......
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This is just a classical case of not being able to discern the sexual neurosis of apostle Paul and taking his psychological issues as indicative of God's will (in spite of what the rest of the Bible says - yet even Paul doesn't actually mention oral sex).
Sex is spiritual, one of the most sacred acts you could perform, one of the most enjoyable too. Sex-negative views are not good for you, nor your relationship with God almighty.
 
Messianic Israelite

Messianic Israelite

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EsonauticSage said:
You still haven't shown how it is "wrong". Whether from a religious view or not.
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EsonauticSage. You can see how it's wrong because it's not showing love to your spouse. Psychologically such oral sex can be devastating to an individual. Does that sound like it's something that is scriptural? Girls and women can grow bitter against their boyfriends and husbands for having to do oral sex. Does that sound like something that is acceptable? Most women do not like giving oral sex. Sure, some say they do. They do it because it pleases the man. If men stood up for what was right and had a true sense of love and care for their spouses, they wouldn't have them do it.

"Even so ought husbands also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his own wife loveth himself" (Ephesians 5:28)

I have held back during this discussion to get in to why this is perverted sex. I don't want to get in to the details because it's obnoxious to me. I used to work for an organisation called Southern Electric. It was a male dominated workplace and you'd hear conversations at times about the sex lives of some of these people. I've since left that place, but I know from what I heard there that oral sex is not pleasing to Yahweh. It's not a characteristic of Yahweh's Holy Spirit. A lot of these sexual acts such as anal sex, or oral sex, are perverted and they exhibit a wrong spirit. They show hate, not love. If you can't tell the difference between good sex and bad sex, then I feel you need to read the Bible.
 
EsonauticSage

EsonauticSage

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Messianic Israelite said:
EsonauticSage. You can see how it's wrong because it's not showing love to your spouse. Psychologically such oral sex can be devastating to an individual. Does that sound like it's something that is scriptural? Girls and women can grow bitter against their boyfriends and husbands for having to do oral sex. Does that sound like something that is acceptable? Most women do not like giving oral sex. Sure, some say they do. They do it because it pleases the man. If men stood up for what was right and had a true sense of love and care for their spouses, they wouldn't have them do it.

"Even so ought husbands also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his own wife loveth himself" (Ephesians 5:28)

I have held back during this discussion to get in to why this is perverted sex. I don't want to get in to the details because it's obnoxious to me. I used to work for an organisation called Southern Electric. It was a male dominated workplace and you'd hear conversations at times about the sex lives of some of these people. I've since left that place, but I know from what I heard there that oral sex is not pleasing to Yahweh. It's not a characteristic of Yahweh's Holy Spirit. A lot of these sexual acts such as anal sex, or oral sex, are perverted and they exhibit a wrong spirit. They show hate, not love. If you can't tell the difference between good sex and bad sex, then I feel you need to read the Bible.
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Everything you've mentioned here is equally applicable to sex as a whole. I really don't see your point.
Guys often want intercourse when their wife isn't in the mood. Again, I don't get it.

You also keep neglecting to mention men performing oral sex on their wives, why do you keep forgetting that? Oral sex for women is heavenly. It's an amazing sensation, more pleasurable than oral sex for men.

It's just strange you keep not mentioning that.

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They show hate, not love.
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How is oral a display of hate?
 
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Brickjectivity

Brickjectivity

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Messianic Israelite said:
...it's not showing love to your spouse...
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Its wrong not to show love to one's spouse. Nobody is disagreeing with that. It its not done with care and respect then its being done wrong, but I don't see why you suspect there is a particular form or position that does this more effectively.

All sex is pretty gross. Its not as if there is a neat and clean version of it. I remember hearing about sex for the first time. I knew immediately it was a disgusting process, silly, ridiculous. What I didn't know at the time was how messy it was. There is no way around that without using medical equipment.

Messianic Israelite said:
I have held back during this discussion to get in to why this is perverted sex. I don't want to get in to the details because it's obnoxious to me. I used to work for an organisation called Southern Electric. It was a male dominated workplace and you'd hear conversations at times about the sex lives of some of these people. I've since left that place, but I know from what I heard there that oral sex is not pleasing to Yahweh. It's not a characteristic of Yahweh's Holy Spirit. A lot of these sexual acts such as anal sex, or oral sex, are perverted and they exhibit a wrong spirit. They show hate, not love. If you can't tell the difference between good sex and bad sex, then I feel you need to read the Bible.
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Men and women both hold darkness in our hearts I think. Jesus is quoted to say the problem is not what goes into a person but what comes out of their hearts. Its true that men (and women) have a desire to dominate, to control, to oppress and to injure. We don't about this as children, and its best children don't know. When we enter a relationship we have to make sure not to express this evil, too; but you can't control it merely with outward rules. I think you can't fix this with the missionary position or any other. You can't fix it, because evil comes from the heart. You can be kind. You can avoid hurting your spouse.

Relevant scripture I wish to point out:
Col 2:21-23 NIV "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? These rules, which have to do with things that are all destined to perish with use, are based on merely human commands and teachings. Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

Gen 6:5 NIV The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

Mat 15:19 NIV For out of the heart come evil thoughts--murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander.
 
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Messianic Israelite said:
Here is a paradox that should trouble the parent of any teenagers. Back in 2000 there was a study done that showed that whilst the number of teens that say they are sexually abstinent is on the rise, so is the number that have had oral sex. Many teens don’t believe oral sex counts as sex and this problem has been growing below the radar of many sex educators and clueless parents. I am going to refer to some studies done in 2000 as this is what I have access to. The study showed that since 1988, the number of boys aged between 15 – 19 who have received oral sex from a female had risen from 13% to 49.5% in the U.S. That means that even back in the year 2000, half of the country had already engaged in oral sex.

It is a mystery to me that adults have no problems giving good advice about the dangers of drugs and alcohol, but for some reason struggle to give advice to the rising generation about sex. In particular, advocates of so called comprehensive sexual education are giving mixed messages with deadly results. Whilst they theoretically advocate abstinence, they also push for widespread distribution of contraceptive devices under the assumption that kids will be sexually active and therefore need protection.

I have never engaged in and never will engage in oral sex. It is perverted sex. I know the right way and wrong way to have sex from the Law and the Word from passages such as Romans 1. And I shouldn’t have to say anything, but I feel here on RF we’re missing some core issues that need to be addressed in today’s society. If you have engaged in this or thinking about doing so you need to ask yourself why. I can’t answer that for you. Perhaps you are watching something you have no business watching, perhaps you’re involved in pornography or perhaps it’s people that you are listening to that are leading you on. Whatever the case, Yahshua’s message is the same: repent, for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand.

It’s disgusting. And for people who are seeking a holy way of life (Leviticus 19:2), this sort of sex shouldn’t even be named among those who call themselves believers. In the Kingdom of Yahweh that is coming, all such acts will be outlawed. Relationships will flourish and the husband and the wife will have true love for one another and respect each other.

I know many people have no problem with pride marches and demonstrations. Homosexuals will try to tell you that any form of sex is good sex. No it isn’t. Satan has his system and oral sex is part of his domain, not Yahweh’s domain. I still regard myself as a young person, but I have to say, the older that I get the more I see that Yahweh’s Laws are for our psychological wellbeing. They stop us from making major mistakes in life if we obey all of them. Not in the sense that following the Word doesn’t have problems - it does. Persecution is one of them. But we have the strength that comes from prayer and encouraging words from the Word to help us deal with those things. Troubling psychological fallout from giving oral sex can make girls feel exploited and they do it to be popular or make boys happy. Girls may become bitter against boys or choose not to date them and some may choose to date those of the same gender instead.

I can’t change the world but my hope and prayer is that Yahweh’s Kingdom would come soon so that people would learn what true love really means and enjoy the happiness and peace that comes from keeping the Law.
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I'd be more concerned with sexual transmitted diseases to be honest. Education of a healthy means of sex and intimacy between to adult partners and what are sexually healthy actions to strengthen a relationship.

Homosexuals will tell you any form of sex is good??

Where did you hear that? Asks heterosexuals. They out number homosexuals and you'd be surprised what many do in their bedrooms. Don't focus on specific people.

As for the Bible it talks about the morality of the issue. Medical books tend to show what's healthy and what's not.
 
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ChristineM

ChristineM

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Messianic Israelite said:
Here is a paradox that should trouble the parent of any teenagers. Back in 2000 there was a study done that showed that whilst the number of teens that say they are sexually abstinent is on the rise, so is the number that have had oral sex. Many teens don’t believe oral sex counts as sex and this problem has been growing below the radar of many sex educators and clueless parents. I am going to refer to some studies done in 2000 as this is what I have access to. The study showed that since 1988, the number of boys aged between 15 – 19 who have received oral sex from a female had risen from 13% to 49.5% in the U.S. That means that even back in the year 2000, half of the country had already engaged in oral sex.

It is a mystery to me that adults have no problems giving good advice about the dangers of drugs and alcohol, but for some reason struggle to give advice to the rising generation about sex. In particular, advocates of so called comprehensive sexual education are giving mixed messages with deadly results. Whilst they theoretically advocate abstinence, they also push for widespread distribution of contraceptive devices under the assumption that kids will be sexually active and therefore need protection.

I have never engaged in and never will engage in oral sex. It is perverted sex. I know the right way and wrong way to have sex from the Law and the Word from passages such as Romans 1. And I shouldn’t have to say anything, but I feel here on RF we’re missing some core issues that need to be addressed in today’s society. If you have engaged in this or thinking about doing so you need to ask yourself why. I can’t answer that for you. Perhaps you are watching something you have no business watching, perhaps you’re involved in pornography or perhaps it’s people that you are listening to that are leading you on. Whatever the case, Yahshua’s message is the same: repent, for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand.

It’s disgusting. And for people who are seeking a holy way of life (Leviticus 19:2), this sort of sex shouldn’t even be named among those who call themselves believers. In the Kingdom of Yahweh that is coming, all such acts will be outlawed. Relationships will flourish and the husband and the wife will have true love for one another and respect each other.

I know many people have no problem with pride marches and demonstrations. Homosexuals will try to tell you that any form of sex is good sex. No it isn’t. Satan has his system and oral sex is part of his domain, not Yahweh’s domain. I still regard myself as a young person, but I have to say, the older that I get the more I see that Yahweh’s Laws are for our psychological wellbeing. They stop us from making major mistakes in life if we obey all of them. Not in the sense that following the Word doesn’t have problems - it does. Persecution is one of them. But we have the strength that comes from prayer and encouraging words from the Word to help us deal with those things. Troubling psychological fallout from giving oral sex can make girls feel exploited and they do it to be popular or make boys happy. Girls may become bitter against boys or choose not to date them and some may choose to date those of the same gender instead.

I can’t change the world but my hope and prayer is that Yahweh’s Kingdom would come soon so that people would learn what true love really means and enjoy the happiness and peace that comes from keeping the Law.
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Despite your prudish hatred of what apparently you know nothing about, oral sex can be wonderful. Certainly for hubby and I it is cornerstone of our relationship. The chances are that without it out marriage would not have lasted more than 25 years.

We have discussed all matters of sex with our eldest children and the basics with the youngster. So yes they know oral sex does count as sex despite the protestations of one US president.

And, should my kids wasn't to experiment with sex (when they are older) oral sex is a much better option than full intercourse and the risks of pregnancy involved.

Nothing to do with god, nothing to do with satan, in fact nothing to do with religion at all. But everything to do with love, trust, understanding, emotion.
 
InvestigateTruth

InvestigateTruth

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In scriptures, sex outside of marriage is prohibited and is called adultery.
Also, Lust is a defect in spirituality.
So, if there is a married couple who are lusty, but keep their lust within marriage, is that a wrong thing?
I would say, at least it is not adultery, but still not ideal for their spiritual growth. .
 
Valjean

Valjean

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InvestigateTruth said:
In scriptures, sex outside of marriage is prohibited and is called adultery.
Also, Lust is a defect in spirituality.
So, if there is a married couple who are lusty, but keep their lust within marriage, is that a wrong thing?
I would say, at least it is not adultery, but still not ideal for their spiritual growth. .
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In some scriptures. Different religions and cultures have different attitudes; some pro, some con, others indifferent.
 
Stevicus

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Messianic Israelite said:
It’s disgusting.
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If we assume that God exists and that He created everything we see on purpose, one might take note of a lot of disgusting things in nature - such as urination and defecation. The ways people and animals die, the way our bodies decompose and rot. Blood, phlegm, pus, diarrhea, vomit, crabs, lice, hemorrhoids - these are things that God supposedly invented, and they're all pretty disgusting, perhaps even more disgusting than oral sex.

In fact, this is one of the reasons why people might find reason to not believe at all. After all, when looking at Nature in the raw and seeing just how truly disgusting and revolting much of it is, it doesn't seem very "godly" or "spiritual."
 
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