stvdv
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I agree:My understanding is also that wisdom grow out from faith
"wisdom grows out of faith"
Not
"wisdom grows not out of blind faith"
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Is blind faith right faith?
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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"wisdom grows out of faith"
Not
"wisdom grows not out of blind faith"
stvdv
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I wonder how the term "Blind Faith" originated
My guess:
1) As long as we are not Omniscient we are blind in many areas.
2) When we are blind we do not know, hence we believe things
So, in a way, all Faith is Blind. And blindness applies to both Atheists and Theists.
So, Blind Faith is no biggie, as it relates to all humans.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Can a person awake to the higher truth if they keep a blind faith?
In my understanding, no
one must leave doubt behind and gain wisdom from the spiritual practice, belief in it self is not enough Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Can you ask questions of oneself and cultivate practice from actions if we depend on spiritual people and teachings to guide and not out own lessons from Practice?
Which makes me wonder if spiritual people and teachings would be such if they originated in the 20st and 21st centuries.
Blind faith or following without self inquire I only came across from those indoctrinated in their faith and know nothing else. Converts say that's how they believe because they question and derived to what makes sense to them. Bind faith can be true if one can't live without it. I think is. Is it worth looking into your own faith if you're self aware of the negative effects it has on others....
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I agree. Blind faith is just a gamble.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
no......
you would need instruction with the next decision
all of them
I believe the angelic will ask......WHAT?.....do you believe
WHY?....do you believe it
WHO?.....told you that
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Yes, because spiritual practice is one me as the practitioner of the teaching. The teaching is my guide where my teacher is taking care of all the things happening in the background. Gong energy, protection of each practitioner from unwanted negative beings and so on.
So it is important that I ask my self question of if I do things correctly, what can I get better at, what part of the teaching am I not understanding correctly.
My teacher and founder of Falun Gong are alive today and he still give teachings for us to listen to. He guide us toward the Enlightenment. But I am the one who must do the cultivation of my mind and body.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
Hmm. If the teacher and teaching confirms if you asked and received the right answers from your questions isn't that a form of blind faith---or faith depended on something/one else as opposed to your self being the criteria for correct answers?
Blind faith in putting ones trust and criteria of that trust on someone/thing else. True faith (I'd say personal faith since nothing is true or false) the teaching and wise one is you. Blind faith is outside yourself.
I don't feel blind faith is bad. Different people feel comfortable knowing their own truth or reality while others let an external party say god do it for them. Maybe personality value differences.
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Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
It can be that my explanation was a bit bad
The teaching guide me to do the right things, and when I am off that righteous path I lead to suffering. So that part is on my understanding of the teaching.
The teacher, who has cultivated up to his level and created the teaching from his wisdom has provided us who cultivate his teaching with the tool so we can our self reach enlightenment ( not everyone who try will make it)
So you see the trust I have to my teacher and his teaching comes from my own practice of the teaching. I see the result that is spoken about in the teaching. And experience things that is taught to me. And no that is not blind faith, because it is all up to me to reach the next wisdom level. If I get lazy and do not cultivate in a good way.nothing happens, I have no progress in understanding, wisdom, virtue and so on.
The cultivation of a spiritual practice is not just believing in the teaching and teacher. It is a constant practice to reduce attachments, highten morality, letting go of bad habits, watching my speech, action and thoughts.
A few weeks ago until last week, I had a bad period in my culktivation and did a lot of wrong, I got angry, frustrated and so on. So that is what I have to work on more. To not be angry, frustrated or sad because of what others say about me.
It is important to let those things go. And I do see some progress this week. Being mindful about this things are a part of the spiritual teaching.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
It can be that my explanation was a bit bad
The teaching guide me to do the right things, and when I am off that righteous path I lead to suffering. So that part is on my understanding of the teaching.
The teacher, who has cultivated up to his level and created the teaching from his wisdom has provided us who cultivate his teaching with the tool so we can our self reach enlightenment ( not everyone who try will make it)
So you see the trust I have to my teacher and his teaching comes from my own practice of the teaching. I see the result that is spoken about in the teaching. And experience things that is taught to me. And no that is not blind faith, because it is all up to me to reach the next wisdom level. If I get lazy and do not cultivate in a good way.nothing happens, I have no progress in understanding, wisdom, virtue and so on.
The cultivation of a spiritual practice is not just believing in the teaching and teacher. It is a constant practice to reduce attachments, highten morality, letting go of bad habits, watching my speech, action and thoughts.
A few weeks ago until last week, I had a bad period in my culktivation and did a lot of wrong, I got angry, frustrated and so on. So that is what I have to work on more. To not be angry, frustrated or sad because of what others say about me.
It is important to let those things go. And I do see some progress this week. Being mindful about this things are a part of the spiritual teaching.
Can I ask. Do you have the ability to be wise like your teacher one day and teach others as your teacher teaches you?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
No
I am not allowed to teach the way my teacher do.the only way that would be possible is if I do realize enlightenment my self, and then create a new cultivation teaching from my own wisdom. Then I would be able to teach and save people.Now I can only speak about the cultivation and give my understanding of it
but I can not teach falun gong to others, except for the 5 exercises that we do, those I can show to others and guide how to do.Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
No
Now I can only speak about the cultivation and give my understanding of it
I should have asked in the future. Do you think you will one day be able to, I meant.
Onoma
Active Member
It's an interesting question for sure, and I think the phrase itself likely stems from Biblical scripture, but perhaps complicated in that the word seems to be used to refer to literal, physical blindness ( Jesus " healed a " blind " man , etc ) but the concordances point to a kind of metaphorical blindness ( Mentally and perhaps spiritually )
" Blind " in NT Greek - τυφλος " tuphlos " - blind, blind man, mentally blind
Said to be derived from:
τυφοω (τυφοομαι) " tuphoo " - be proud , be lifted up with pride, highminded, to raise a smoke, to wrap in a mist , metaphorical: to make proud, puff up with pride, render insolent, to be puffed up with haughtiness or pride, to blind with pride or conceit, to render foolish or stupid, beclouded, besotted
I would offer that one can " blind " themselves to truth, through arrogance ( " I know it all ! " )
Verses like John 11:37 seem to infer that this type of " blindness " is the general ignorance ( Not knowing ) that comes from one willingly closing their eyes to something that they may have trouble reconciling ( Perhaps with their beliefs )
John 11:37 " And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died ? "
I feel it's safe to assume this " blindness " is a type of mental or spiritual ignorance, because as we know, people that are literally, physically blind, aren't blind merely because they decided to shut their eyes, so the verse doesn't seem to imply a physical healing of literal blindness, but rather mental / spiritual
Many people have " blind faith " in the Biblical things they believe to be true, ( " I know the flood happened ! " ), yet they may have blinded themselves to the absolute truth ( cf. my thread on flood terminologies and literature ) by this steadfast faith without realizing they can change their views about what is " true " in the Bible without negating their general theological views ( I believe God exists and the Bible somehow contains the evidence )
" Blind " in NT Greek - τυφλος " tuphlos " - blind, blind man, mentally blind
Said to be derived from:
τυφοω (τυφοομαι) " tuphoo " - be proud , be lifted up with pride, highminded, to raise a smoke, to wrap in a mist , metaphorical: to make proud, puff up with pride, render insolent, to be puffed up with haughtiness or pride, to blind with pride or conceit, to render foolish or stupid, beclouded, besotted
I would offer that one can " blind " themselves to truth, through arrogance ( " I know it all ! " )
Verses like John 11:37 seem to infer that this type of " blindness " is the general ignorance ( Not knowing ) that comes from one willingly closing their eyes to something that they may have trouble reconciling ( Perhaps with their beliefs )
John 11:37 " And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man should not have died ? "
I feel it's safe to assume this " blindness " is a type of mental or spiritual ignorance, because as we know, people that are literally, physically blind, aren't blind merely because they decided to shut their eyes, so the verse doesn't seem to imply a physical healing of literal blindness, but rather mental / spiritual
Many people have " blind faith " in the Biblical things they believe to be true, ( " I know the flood happened ! " ), yet they may have blinded themselves to the absolute truth ( cf. my thread on flood terminologies and literature ) by this steadfast faith without realizing they can change their views about what is " true " in the Bible without negating their general theological views ( I believe God exists and the Bible somehow contains the evidence )
Bird123
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Very good. Wisdom is acquired on the journey to Discover the Real Truth. This will take lots of questions and thinking rather than blind accepting.
Beliefs merely point a direction by which one should search for the Real Truth. Beliefs are the Start of the journey and not the end.
That's what I see. It's very clear!!
Blind faith is: credulity. An inquiring mind wants to know.
Jesus did Not have ' blind faith ' because Jesus based his teachings on the old Hebrew Scriptures.
Jesus often prefaced his statements with the words, " It is written..... " meaning already written down in the OT.
Thus, Jesus explained a lot for us in order to have ' faith' ( confidence ) in his teachings.
So, Scripture does Not endorse credulity but rather the taking in of knowledge as mentioned at John 17:3.
Scripture does Not endorse 'credulity' (blind faith), and it does endorse the gaining of wisdom - Proverbs 2:2
For it is fools who despise wisdom and instruction - Proverbs 1:7; Proverbs 1:2
Jesus taught that Scripture is Real Religious Truth - John 17:17
It is the false clergy who twist what Jesus taught, teaching their church customs or traditions outside of Scripture as being Scripture - Matthew 15:9
Not true. That depends how you would define faith. Faith is fundamental for humans to get to a fact. That's how you read history books, or even daily news or science. It is so because humans lack the ability to get to a truth directly. They have to rely on faith in testimonies in one way or another. Histories are supposed to be human testimonies from eyewitnesses accounts gathered by a historian. Daily news are testimonies from eyewitnesses accounts gathered by a reporter. Science is about testimonies of scientists as eyewitnesses gathered by our media or education. Faith is always needed for facts to get to individuals composing humans in majority.
Bird123
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We all do learn from others. On the other hand one is supposed to exceed the sum of one's teachings.
It would be interesting to go back in time and talk with Jesus. I think you are right. Seems everyone has their version of Jesus. Even the pictures one sees of Jesus are not accurate. They aren't being quite honest with us, are they??
Yes, we learn from others and I've heard from that we can even learn social intelligence.
The Bible can be studied for a lifetime thus that exceeds the sum of one's teachings at each point of one's time frame.
In the coming resurrection ( Acts of the Apostles 24:15) people who lived around the time Jesus lived (John 3:13) will have an earthly resurrection.
Thus, it will be interesting to talk with people who know Jesus such as John the Baptist - Matthew 11:11.
Then, during Jesus' 1,000-year governmental reign over Earth, any pictures will be accurate.
Bird123
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I would not count on any governmental reign. It has never been about ruling and controlling. That is mankind speaking to you, not God.
That's what I see. It's very clear!!