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Disproof of Darwinism

TagliatelliMonster

Veteran Member
How many chimps have become humans in 2020? Is it more than in 2019?
Sheesh

Please inform yourself on how evolution theory really works, before engaging in a rather pathetic attempt to argue against it in vain.

Just to illustrate how utterly ignorate your question above is: if we would actually observe a chimp "become a human", then that would falsify evolution. It would LITERALLY disprove evolution, demonstrate it to be false, incorrect, mistaken, in error,...


And you call yourself a scientist... can't even get 2nd grade level biology right.
Such level of ignorance is already embarassing for people who only finished high school.

State A: the world of animals,
State B: humankind.
How probable is the transition from A to B?

1 in 1 , considering humans ARE animals.

Are there any transitions in Darwinism? If no, then it is not EVOLUTION.

Yes. A great many. Google it.

If apes are fish, then the first law of logic is violated. If apes are not fish, then I have the question: how probable for fishes to become apes?

Fish and apes are both eukaryotes and evolved from a common ancestor.
Are you aware of the law of monophy? I'll assume you don't.
It says: no organism can outgrow it's ancestry. Once in a clade, always in a clade.

Both fish and humans are eukaryotes and evolved from a common ancestral eukaryote.
Both humans and cats are mammals and evolved from a common ancestral mammal.
Both humans and chimps are primates and evolved from common ancestral primate.

Darwinism has no single calculation of probabilities

Neither does Germ Theory of Desease
Why would it need to?


, no single experimental data of transition from fishes to apes,

That's just false. There's genetics and the fossil record.


Darwinism uses luck to create new information, that violates the natural laws: due to holding of laws, no new information can be added.

That's just false again. No such law exists. And you should actually know that, claiming to be a physicist... :rolleyes:
 

ecco

Veteran Member

You really want me to watch 20-minute video which may or may not support your argument when you are too lazy to summarize the points the speaker is trying to make?

Previously you posted a video disparaging evolution. I asked you to provide the name of the speaker. You didn't. Perhaps you couldn't because you didn't know who it was. How sad.

Do you really think you are playing in the right arena?
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Wrong. There are two options: 1. Science, 2. Religion.

Science is based on research and study over (in the case of evolution) the past hundreds of years. It is supported by geology, biology, nuclear physics, and other fields of study.

Religion (in your case) is based on the writings of relatively ignorant people
No, because the Natural Theology is back in US Schools now, look up yourself:



Why can't satan understand, that he can not silent all of us?

The cat is looking through the glass:
The emptiness approaches us.
It quiets any sound of pain.
The roof is hit by acid rain.
But don't you worry, dear mom,
I am your cat till TRUMP-et sound.

 

ecco

Veteran Member
No, because the Natural Theology is back in US Schools now, look up yourself:



What's to look up? People have always been allowed to pray in schools. That doesn't change...
There are two options: 1. Science, 2. Religion.

Science is based on research and study over (in the case of evolution) the past hundreds of years. It is supported by geology, biology, nuclear physics, and other fields of study.

Religion (in your case) is based on the writings of relatively ignorant people who lived three thousand years ago.

So, if you, and some other posters in this thread, want to base your beliefs on the writings of ignorant people well, OK.


You can keep on posting silly videos. I will continue to ignore them. Can't you speak on your own?
 

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
Darwinism (in Natural Theology, but in science: "Theory of Evolution")
is not a real theory, because the talks about random mutations rely heavily on luck.

Anything, that needs luck is not a law of nature; because the law is the receipt, which for given circumstances gives the calculated result. Darwinism has no probability calculation. Thus, it is not a theory. How many chimps have become humans in 2020? Is it more than in 2019?


State A: the world of animals,
State B: humankind.
How probable is the transition from A to B?


Are there any transitions in Darwinism? If no, then it is not EVOLUTION.


If apes are fish, then the first law of logic is violated. If apes are not fish, then I have the question: how probable for fishes to become apes?


Darwinism has no single calculation of probabilities, no single experimental data of transition from fishes to apes, thus it is not a Theory.

Darwinism uses luck to create new information, that violates the natural laws: due to holding of laws, no new information can be added.

The theory of Evolution is a theory precisely because it takes into account all of the available information and does damage to none of it. Creation isn't a theory, not even a hypothesis..it is only an assertion.
Your characterization of chimps turning into humans in the space of a year or less demonstrates that you have no clue what the theory of evolution actually states.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
How many chimps have become humans in 2020? Is it more than in 2019?

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gnostic

The Lost One
@questfortruth

The problem with Natural Theology isn’t science, is because it still require belief in superstition, such as miracles, and belief in invisible deity or deities being responsible for such miracles.

Superstitions are preconceptions in beliefs that often defied natural law and natural processes.

Science should be able to objectively detach itself from such preconceptions.

If you were a real scientist, then you derived your conclusion from the available evidence (eg observations, measurements, experiments, etc) - to conclude -

(A) if the evidence support the explanations,

(B) or if the evidence refute the explanations.​

In either case, they both meet the falsifiability requirements, but when actual tests were performed, B has failed to meet the testing stage of the Scientific Method, due to the evidence being contrary to the hypothesis, so the hypothesis has being debunked or refuted.

The reasons why Scientific Method has been so effective is because it useful procedures to eliminate any faulty or flawed hypothesis.

For there be science, there must be evidence - in the forms of observation or experiment - even if the evidence don’t support a model.

There is 3rd outcome (C) in which there are no evidence FOR or AGAINST an explanatory model. Such models are deemed unfalsifiable and untestable, and if not thrown out, are considered pseudoscience.

Creation, miracles, god, spirits, angels and demons, resurrection, afterlife, etc, they are all considered untestable, hence cannot be tested.

It is the reason why both creationism and Intelligent Design are considered to be pseudoscience.

What you call “God”, “Creator” or “Designer” cannot be observed, measured or tested, therefore Creation and Intelligent Design failed.

The “God did it” or “Designer did it”, isn’t explanation, but a claim.

If Natural Theology required untestable deity, then Natural Theology would also fall under the “untestable” basket.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
Darwinism uses luck to create new information, that violates the natural laws: due to holding of laws, no new information can be added.
That’s BS.

What we “law” as used in science, is only a single statement that provide a very brief overview of proportion that explain how the phenomena might work. Law only provide minimal detail, like quoting or highlighting a point given in a theory.

But a law is only only tiny proportion of explanation that are part of larger explanations of Scientific Theory.

The theory would provide more detailed or more complete explanations than any law.

People who study basic physics, will have learned of Newton 3 laws in Newton’s Law of Motion. Each law only has 1 sentence, highlighting a specific salient point.

But Newton’s Mechanics (which is a Scientific Theory, in his work titled Mathematical Principles Of Natural Philosophies or in Latin, Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica, 1687) is a lot larger work that fully explained all the details that the law don’t even mention.

Laws are only tiny parts of scientific theory, and they don’t explain everything. One or 2 sentences in law isn’t a full explanation.

And they (laws) can be subjected to changes, if there are new evidence and new information.

But Newton’s theory on motion and theory on gravity don’t provide all the necessary explanations that required to explain what science have discovered since the 20th century, that Newton didn’t know about.

Albert Einstein expanded both Newton’s theories with something about motion and gravity Newton never dream of explaining, because Newton was limited by his current technology.

Einstein’s theory on Special Relativity expanded the mechanic of motion to include objects that approach the speed of light. Einstein’s mass-energy equivalence equation provide

And Einstein’s theory on General Relativity, not expanded understanding of gravity, it provide new framework that other physicists have added in areas of astronomy and astrophysics (including physical cosmology) that Newton had no answers for.

And just as Newton have equations that provide mathematical proofs of gravity, it is now, more or less, outdated, with Einstein’s 10 field equations, that just about every astrophysicists and cosmologists used for their own models.

Currently, it is Einstein’s General Relativity that is standard model on gravity, not Newton’s theory on gravity. But at some point in the future, someone may crack and replace Einstein’s GR, with even more comprehensive model with quantum theory on gravity, or “quantum gravity”, which would combined General Relativity and Quantum Mechanics together as an unified theory.

Einstein’s tried to unify GR & QM into a single theory before he died, but even his genius was stumped.

As to evolution, it does follow the law of nature, and evolution explain the fact of population diversity of life over time, some through Natural Selection, some through Mutations, some through Genetic Drift and Genetic Hitchhiking, and even some through Gene Flow.

Each of these mechanisms have already been tested and verified to be true.

Charles Darwin was the pioneer of Natural Selection Evolution didn’t know about the other mechanisms, but other biologists have the theory to include these newer mechanisms, as well as expanded his original theory, to include the knowledge of molecular biology, DNA & RNA, and improved testings that Darwin never thought of.

Natural Selection is still essential mechanism in the theory of Evolution, and haven’t been debunked like you and other creationists pretend to be, just only the level of dishonesty of their tactics and propaganda.

The only way to prove creationism (or its offshoots, eg Intelligent Design) to be true, is to provide actual real-world evidence to the concept of God or Designer, particularly existence, which are pathetically lacking.

There is no evidence that dust can be instantly and magically transformed into a living human, as adult man. This defied all law of nature. God did it or the Designer designed it, without evidence are nothing more than superstitious assertions, devoid of all reality.

All we get from creationists, are apologetic excuses, evasions, logical fallacies of all sorts, absurdly ridiculous analogies, propaganda, misinterpretations of not only science but also deliberate misinterpretations of the scriptures that they claimed to be holy and inerrant.
 
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Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
How many chimps have become humans in 2020? Is it more than in 2019?

This is a question purely out of ignorance. Why even discuss evolution if you have no basic concepts about the theory. Your rhetoric is meaningless with questions like these. At least learn some basic concepts of evolution before making up meaningless questions like those.
 

Bear Wild

Well-Known Member
State A: the world of animals,
State B: humankind.
How probable is the transition from A to B?

Extraordinarily low but not zero probability unless you qualify it to happen in one year then the probability becomes zero. But to even ask the probability of this shows no understanding of the theory of evolution.

Are you aware of any biological information?
Here are some basics. Humans are animals. You might not be aware of this but yes it is true. Humans are apes also because we share so many characteristics. Chimpanzees are genetically amazingly similar to humans but there is enough differences and under different selective pressures to make a question of chimpanzees becoming humans to be a meaningless question.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
This is a question purely out of ignorance. Why even discuss evolution if you have no basic concepts about the theory. Your rhetoric is meaningless with questions like these. At least learn some basic concepts of evolution before making up meaningless questions like those.
It is unbelievable that creationists continued to use this ignorant strawman.

No biologists ever said that chimps could give birth to humans, or humans to chimps.

It is clear that they are still relying on propaganda from creationist books and websites, instead of actually learning biology to find out what biologists and paleontologists are actually saying.

And no matter how many times you explain what they think evolution is wrong, they are simply incapable of learning from their mistakes.
 
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