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Techelet: The Blood of God.

John D. Brey

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Rabbi Samson R. Hirsch's statement that "blood" is "liquid flesh" is too perfect concerning the topic of this thread since Moses takes the flesh of Israel's molten god, the gold calf, and liquefies it to manufacture the colloidal gold that's one part of techelet.



John
 

John D. Brey

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Rabbi Samson R. Hirsch's statement that "blood" is "liquid flesh" is too perfect concerning the topic of this thread since Moses takes the flesh of Israel's molten god, the gold calf, and liquefies it to manufacture the colloidal gold that's one part of techelet.

To pack its full punch the statement above would require a little background in Jewish midrashim. The Jewish sages say that the gold calf is the son of the parah adumah, the red cow.

Ironically, the parah adumah, red cow, is the only female quadruped sacrificed in the Jewish system. But what's seminal to this thread is that there's nothing seminal about the parah adumah since as a sacrificial offering this female cow must be a virgin.

According to Jewish midrashim Moses sacrifices the virgin born son of the parah adumah, turns its flesh into "liquid flesh," i.e., blood (colloidal gold), and not only sprinkles Israel with the solution to their sin (worshiping the calf) but, where a careful reader of the Torah is concerned, he uses it to fill up the mikvehs where the salvific baptism occurs.


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John D. Brey

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According to Jewish midrashim Moses sacrifices the virgin born son of the parah adumah, turns its flesh into "liquid flesh," i.e., blood (colloidal gold), and not only sprinkles Israel with the solution to their sin (worshiping the calf) but, where a careful reader of the Torah is concerned, he uses it to fill up the mikvehs where the salvific baptism occurs.

. . . A knowledge of scripture makes the statement above orders of magnitude stranger since parah adumah, the red cow, as the singular female quadruped in the Jewish sacrificial system, harkens back to a time before gender determined which, uh, gender, was fit for sacrifice.

The "adumah" in parah adumah is like the אדם in "Adam." Both words are generic to the word "red." Adam's skin is said, where midrashim is properly read, to be red: Adam is the parah adumah and the gold calf is his true firstborn . . .conceived while adam is still as much a female as a male, and born very late, still-born though, as a prop in Moses' gospel message to the nation of Israel.

Parah adumah is prelapse Adam, and her son, the gold calf, is the virgin born offspring of prelapse Adam.



John
 

Harel13

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So in other words, god is either a blue-blood (ties in perfectly with Jesus being of royal descent) or has gold-blood (Ichor, the blood of the Greek gods).

Idolatry all around. :D
 

Wandering Monk

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I think the blood of gods idea hearkens back to Sumerian mythology in which the first man was created from earth mixed with he blood of the god Enkidu.

I have a book called 'Bible Basics' from Behrman House I believe, a Jewish publisher. In the story of creation they make a statement the the name 'Adam' is composed of two parts: the first letter is from a name of God, and the latter part 'dam' means blood. Hence the name A-dam or the appellation 'human' can be understood in some mystical sense as 'the blood of God.'
 

John D. Brey

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I think the blood of gods idea hearkens back to Sumerian mythology in which the first man was created from earth mixed with he blood of the god Enkidu.

I have a book called 'Bible Basics' from Behrman House I believe, a Jewish publisher. In the story of creation they make a statement the the name 'Adam' is composed of two parts: the first letter is from a name of God, and the latter part 'dam' means blood. Hence the name A-dam or the appellation 'human' can be understood in some mystical sense as 'the blood of God.'

Not only is the first letter (the alef א) symbolic of god (in that it's also the Hebrew number "one" and is the first letter in the alefbeit), but the original hieroglyph is an image of a cow such that "parah adumah" (פרה אדמה: red cow) is the perfect analogue to ha-adam האדם: the blood דם of the cow א.

In Genesis 2 we're told that God breaths his "breath" (the Hebrew word also suggests "blood") into the body of ha-adam thereby justifying the idea that Adam is "red" "adumah" because he's the temple of God's blood א––דם.

In Midrash Rabbah, Numbers 19:3, we're told that with all his god-given wisdom even Solomon, the wisest man alive ---though he could decipher the rest of the Torah---- found the chok חק (decree) of the parah adumah, i.e., the mystery of the red cow, beyond his ken.

Though Solomon couldn't go there, we, on the other hand shall. And since the mystery of the red cow/heifer (parah adumah) is decipherable, discern-able, in our day, we might say with some justification that Solomon longed to see our day. . . Though some fancy him dead, his spirit is alive, well, and intent on learning the gist of this thread. <s>



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John D. Brey

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So in other words, god is either a blue-blood (ties in perfectly with Jesus being of royal descent) or has gold-blood (Ichor, the blood of the Greek gods).

Idolatry all around. :D

. . . I have something to say about your last sentence, concerning "idolatry," but want to say something about "ichor" first.

Iliad V. 339–342[2]

Blood follow'd, but immortal; ichor pure,
Such as the blest inhabitants of heav'n
May bleed, nectareous;​

The concept of "blue blood" (royalty) comes from another of the multifarious Masoretes' malfeasant interpretations of scripture. Because the sky, heaven, is blue, the pagan religions fancied "blue" symbolic of the gods, or God: and thus divine royalty. Which is to say, for the pagans, the gradations of holiness so far as colors go stops at blue on the far end of the holiness scale. Crimson, as symbolic of the blood of mere mortals, is on the opposite scale so far as the gradation of holiness is concerned.

Ditto for metals. Gold is on the divine side of the holiness scale, while copper is on the opposite (profane) scale from gold. . . And make no mistake: shatnez is fundamentally about not mixing gold and copper in a divine emblem, nor blue and crimson, since opposites shant be mixed in the natural religions of the ancient pagans.

Moses knew better than the pagans. So when he manufactured "ichor" from the Israelites' golden god, the virgin born son of the parah adumah, he developed the first instance of what later became known as Tyrian Purple. How ironic then that techelet-purple allows the transgressing of the law of shatnez.

It turns out that "purple" and not "blue" is the true color of divine royalty.

Which segues in to your statement about idolatry in the most vertiginous way since idolatry is about worshiping a molten god, a god of pure gold, and not about worshiping a God who on the contrary is not a blue-blooded lord, but a purple-blooded Lord of lords.

Which is to say that it literally causes theological vertigo to realize that the Masoretes who would leave god alone, pure, golden, blue-blooded, as their highest service to God, are protecting a molten god of blue and gold when instead they should listen more precisely to Moses; they should pay attention to Moses and not their own sacerdotal waywardness.

Moses took the molten god, the golden god, and ground it up and mixed it with the metal on the opposite side of the sanctity scale, the profane metal, copper:

The Metropolitan Museum of Art (the MET) states that the Egyptians knew how to use a "chemical reduction of a finely ground copper-mineral powder" to locally lower the melting point of adjacent gold surfaces. Moses was educated in the manufacture of nanotechnology necessary to create dyes that used gold, colloidal-gold, to dye fabrics in precisely the hues the scripture claims were used in the fabrics associated with the sacerdotal duties of the priests.

Techelet.​

Moses mixed the golden god, the idolatrous lord lording his golden glory over the profane world (he ground up the molten god) and mixed it with the most profane metal, copper. He then burned the metals to produce the nano particles of gold ash which when mixed with water became one of the two elements in techelet dye.

Ironically, the bluish hue of the gold water retained the idolatry of the ancient pagans who worshiped gold as the divine metal, and blue as the divine color.

But Moses knew better. He took the bluish hue, the colloidal gold, the idolatrous divine color (from the divine metal), and just as he mixed the sacred gold with profane copper, so too he mixed the sacred blue hue, the colloidal gold, with the crimson of living things to produce the first waters of niddah, the first sanctifying brew that represents the spirit and life of the Living God, El Chay, rather than the idolatrous god of those pagans who would leave god lonely in the heavens as blue and alone and can be rather than believing he could mix with his creatures --no doubt profane ---without sacrificing more than he could gain.

Not only does Moses mix the sacred metal with the profane in the manufacture of the first waters of niddah (gold and copper), but he then mixes the pre-holy water with crimson, the blood of living things, to create the true holy, royal, hue: purple.

Where the Masoretes worship gold, and blue, as divinity, and holy, Moses taught that whereas blue and crimson, are at two ends of the natural color scale, purple is not even a natural hue. Purple doesn't exist on the natural color scale. It is, like techelet, a hue manufactured by mixing the two ends of the natural color scale, blue, and crimson, to produce an otherworldly hue: purple.

As disorienting as the foregoing might be, worshiping a god who is too holy for his creatures is the purest form of idolatry. The true God is a mixture of the sacred and the profane (profaning the law of shatnez set against such mixing), which is almost too ironic, in a discussion of techelet as the blood of God, since techelet, as a sacerdotal hue, and brew, allows the mixing of the two things in shatnez which in the natural world, and the minds of natural religions, shant be mixed without producing idolatry of the highest order. The nature religions, to include modern Judaism, fancy themselves too holy to drink down a good chalice of techelet as commanded in John chapter six where God says you must drink techelet, the blood of God, if you're to enter into the Kingdom of God.

. . . Which segues into a theological mystery almost akin to the mysterious Jewish belief that the nature of techelet is still a mystery (it's not), i.e., the mystery of The Baffling Bloody Ban on Jews drinking techelet as the source of salvation and entry into the Kingdom of God right along with their brothers who've been guzzling the stuff down now for going on nearly two millennia: the ichorist, or eucharist, depending on one's semantic taste.



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John D. Brey

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Either way, I believe I should be worshiped as divine royalty. I'm a traceable descendant of Rabbi Shaul Wahl, who according to Jewish tradition, was king of Poland for one day.

. . . Since Polish kingship doesn't take till the second day perhaps we should call you and your Jewish line the wailing Wahls? <s>


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Harel13

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. . . Since Polish kingship doesn't take till the second day perhaps we should call you and your Jewish line the wailing Wahls? <s>


John
Well, my last name isn't Wahl, so that doesn't work so well.

I don't know where you got your info on the Polish monarchy, but Jewish tradition holds that he was fully king for one day, or perhaps even a few days - but in any case, had time to cancel several anti-Jewish laws. Also, he didn't leave because he was overthrown. He realized that it would be best for the Polish people that he abdicate, choosing a reasonable Polish successor in his stead.
 

John D. Brey

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Well, my last name isn't Wahl, so that doesn't work so well.

I don't know where you got your info on the Polish monarchy, but Jewish tradition holds that he was fully king for one day, or perhaps even a few days - but in any case, had time to cancel several anti-Jewish laws. Also, he didn't leave because he was overthrown. He realized that it would be best for the Polish people that he abdicate, choosing a reasonable Polish successor in his stead.

Can't a Jew be Polish?




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John D. Brey

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I think the blood of gods idea hearkens back to Sumerian mythology in which the first man was created from earth mixed with he blood of the god Enkidu.

I have a book called 'Bible Basics' from Behrman House I believe, a Jewish publisher. In the story of creation they make a statement the the name 'Adam' is composed of two parts: the first letter is from a name of God, and the latter part 'dam' means blood. Hence the name A-dam or the appellation 'human' can be understood in some mystical sense as 'the blood of God.'

. . . the primary meaning of דם [blood] is image, symbol, representative [name] . . . The animal soul--- together with the body--- is formed from the earth. By contrast, the source of man's soul is not the source of his earthly frame; rather, God, as it were, breathed into man a spark of His Own essence. . . your blood, which belongs to your souls, is Mine, not yours. I will demand it, because it belongs to Me and is at My disposal, and I require a reckoning for every drop of your blood. . .When God says אדרש [I require] regarding the blood consigned to the human soul, He declares that our blood belongs to Him.

Hirsch Chumash, Bereshis 9:5 (brackets and emphasis mine).



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Harel13

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Can't a Jew be Polish?
When I wrote Polish people I meant the non-Jews. At the end of the day, Jews have one nationality, and that's the Nation of Israel, the People of Israel, however you may wish to refer to them.
 

John D. Brey

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When I wrote Polish people I meant the non-Jews. At the end of the day, Jews have one nationality, and that's the Nation of Israel, the People of Israel, however you may wish to refer to them.

. . . Are you referring to ethnicity, religion, or race? Because you see Poland is full of ethnic nuances, racial differences, and religious beliefs.

So what's the difference between a Jewish Pole and a garden variety non-Jewish Pole? Is a Jewish inhabitant of Poland really any different than a Polish person with atheist proclivities whose ancestors are from Germany? In other words, if you poll a Pole would he think there's a fundamental distinction between a Jewish Pole and a German Pole? Why would anyone flag a Jewish Pole?

A majority of Jews are atheists. So religion isn't technically the thing. And since a majority of Jews are atheists, religious practices aren't the thing. And since most Jews practice the same ethnic proclivities of the nation where they reside (since most Jewish ethnicity is of a religious nature such that atheist Jews don't always practice them) one could wonder just what about a Polish Jew is "Jewish"?

Just this week the "Jewish" actor Seth Rogen said his dad told him to be aware that most people hate Jews. Well Rogen is an atheist. Doesn't come from Israel. Doesn't practice Jewish anything, such that one would wonder what about him is Jewish such that he could be hated as a Jew?

Which is to say that since, like many Jews, Rogen has no real relationship to the land of Israel, or the religion of Israel, or even the ethnicity of Israel, and his family hasn't for some time, what, other than racial or genetic "Jewishness" could his dad possibly be referring to when he tells Seth that people will hate him because he's Jewish?

They won't hate him because he's from the land of Israel: he's not. They won't hate him because they don't like Jewish religion: he doesn't either. They won't hate him because, for ethnic reasons, he wears a black leather box on his head: he don't. . . . Why on earth would they hate him since he clearly has less relationship to Jews or Judaism than the average Christian who, unlike Rogen, actually believes Abraham and Moses existed?

Would someone persecute me for being German if I told them my last ancestor to live there (or even visit) was 1800 years ago and I swear to him I haven't had a bratwurst in fifty years?

There appears to be something else going on. And it seems like it's that something else that Rogen's dad is talking about when he tells his son, who is less Jewish than I am according to the categories listed, that he will be hated for being Jewish.



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Harel13

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ethnicity, religion, or race?
Usually those that refer to a "Jewish race" are the sort of people that notice race wherever they go. I refer to the Jewish religion and ethnicity which are one. An ethno-religion. Other religions and ethnicities are not necessarily one.
In other words, if you poll a Pole would he think there's a fundamental distinction between a Jewish Pole and a German Pole?
Good chance that he would.
A majority of Jews are atheists. So religion isn't technically the thing. And since a majority of Jews are atheists, religious practices aren't the thing. And since most Jews practice the same ethnic proclivities of the nation where they reside (since most Jewish ethnicity is of a religious nature such that atheist Jews don't always practice them) one could wonder just what about a Polish Jew is "Jewish"?
Two words (combined into one): ethno-religion. Being a non-practicing Jew doesn't revoke your Jew card.
Just this week the "Jewish" actor Seth Rogen said his dad told him to be aware that most people hate Jews. Well Rogen is an atheist. Doesn't come from Israel. Doesn't practice Jewish anything, such that one would wonder what about him is Jewish such that he could be hated as a Jew?

Which is to say that since, like many Jews, Rogen has no real relationship to the land of Israel, or the religion of Israel, or even the ethnicity of Israel, and his family hasn't for some time, what, other than racial or genetic "Jewishness" could his dad possibly be referring to when he tells Seth that people will hate him because he's Jewish?

They won't hate him because he's from the land of Israel: he's not. They won't hate him because they don't like Jewish religion: he doesn't either. They won't hate him because, for ethnic reasons, he wears a black leather box on his head: he don't. . . . Why on earth would they hate him since he clearly has less relationship to Jews or Judaism than the average Christian who, unlike Rogen, actually believes Abraham and Moses existed?
You have clued into the big question of antisemitism: why do people hate Jews, regardless of what they do or how they act? Recall that Hitler and the Nazis put to death even people who had been non-practicing or even converts to Christianity for several generations.
Would someone persecute me for being German if I told them my last ancestor to live there (or even visit) was 1800 years ago and I swear to him I haven't had a bratwurst in fifty years?
Probably not (although whiteness in America in recent months appears to have become a leniency to attack someone).
Yet often Jews are held to a different standard.
And it seems like it's that something else that Rogen's dad is talking about when he tells his son, who is less Jewish than I am according to the categories listed
Well, you're not Jewish and he is, so in what way are you more Jewish than him?
 

John D. Brey

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You have clued into the big question of antisemitism: why do people hate Jews, regardless of what they do or how they act? Recall that Hitler and the Nazis put to death even people who had been non-practicing or even converts to Christianity for several generations.

Your statement cuts two ways and clues us into the source of antisemitism more than I think you appreciate.

When you say Seth Rogen is more Jewish than I, and the Nazis would no doubt agree, neither you nor the Nazis are concerned about Jewish religion, since I have more of it than Rogen. And neither you nor the Nazis are concerned about ethnicity, since I practice Jewish ethnicity more than Rogen. And neither you nor the Nazis are concerned about race, since there is no Jewish race.

When you and the Nazis claim Seth Rogan, who doesn't have an ounce of Jewishness in comparison to me, is Jewish, and I am not, that in itself, i.e., the claim of some mystical magical identity that doesn't have nor require a logical or consistent referent ----in religion, ethnicity, or race -----that, in itself, appears to be something an antisemite might sink his teeth into.

To consider or feel oneself Jewish is certainly a necessary condition of Jewishness, but is it a sufficient condition? [. . . and in too many words Patai says no.] . . . Hence we must add a second necessary condition to the first one: a person must be considered a Jew by others as well in order to be a Jew. The two necessary conditions together amount to a sufficient one. Thus we reach the conclusion that a Jew is a person who considers himself a Jew and is so considered by others. Which of course does not change the fact that to be Jewish is a state of mind, except that now we have recognized that the state, or position, of more than one mind is involved . . . .

Raphael Patai, The Jewish Mind, p. 24.

. . . Jews do not sense of themselves that their association is confessional, that it is based on common religion, for many people whom both religious and secular Jews call Jewish neither believe nor practice the religion at all. This kind of "racialism" is built into the formal cultural system itself. While you can convert in to Judaism, you cannot convert out, and anyone born of Jewish parents is Jewish, even if she doesn't know it. Jewishness is thus certainly not contiguous with modern notions of race, which have been, furthermore discredited empirically. Nor are Jews marked off biologically, as people are marked for sex; nor finally, can Jews be reliably identified by a set of practices, as for example gay people can. On the other hand, Jewishness is not an affective association of individuals either. Jews in general feel not that Jewishness is something they have freely chosen but rather that it's an essence---an essence often nearly empty of any content other than itself--- which has been inscribed --- sometimes even imposed --- on them by birth.

Rabbi Daniel Boyarin, A Radical Jew, p. 241.​



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Harel13

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since I practice Jewish ethnicity
I have no idea what practicing an ethnicity even means. Perhaps you believe you practice the Jewish religion, that is, that you adhere to some form of Torah or pseudo-Torah.
What are we using to measure Jewish-ness such that he has more than I?
And neither you nor the Nazis are concerned about ethnicity, since I practice Jewish ethnicity more than Rogen. And neither you nor the Nazis are concerned about race, since there is no Jewish race.
o_O
Let me put it simply:
There is no Jewish race because as we know, Jews come in all shapes and sizes and skin tones.

There is a Jewish ethnicity, that is, an ethnic group called different things over the years, but has been commonly known for several centuries now world-wide as Jews (or another linguistic variant, such as Yahud, Juif, Juden, etc). Until Reform Judaism decided to change its stance on Jewish identity a few years ago, it was generally agreed by Jews that to be a member of the ethnic group, one must either be born into it or have a proper conversion. As such, you will find that even atheist Jews consider themselves Jewish, because Judaism goes beyond adherence to the Torah.

For this Jewish ethnicity, there is a Jewish religion. A specific one. As former Knesset Member Tomi Lapid put it, "I will never walk into a synagogue, but the synagogue that I won't walk into is an Orthodox one." if we throw this statement at the Jewish people in general, there's an agreement that the religion of Jews is Judaism. If you convert to Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc - you are not practicing the faith of the Jews. You're practicing a different faith. In terms of the Jewish religion, you would be a heretic Jew. Still Jewish, but a heretic. Based on this, we would get the general statement: I will never walk into a house of faith, but the house of faith that I won't walk into is a synagogue (whether Reform, Conservative, etc is not the point).

When you and the Nazis claim Seth Rogan, who doesn't have an ounce of Jewishness in comparison to me, is Jewish, and I am not, that in itself, i.e., the claim of some mystical magical identity that doesn't have nor require a logical or consistent referent ----in religion, ethnicity, or race -----that, in itself, appears to be something an antisemite might sink his teeth into.
In fact, the same has been suggested over the generations by Jewish rabbinical authorities, that in Jews there is a special spiritual kernel. You will therefore find in halacha a difference in approach to converting non-Jews and converting non-Jewish descendants of Jews.

For some odd reason you suggest that because you are more well-versed in Jewish scriptures, that makes you more Jewish than non-practicing Jews, when in reality, as an individual, you do not get to decide that you are Jewish. That has always been up to the Jewish community to decide. Previously, I explained what makes a person Jewish in technical terms. To my knowledge, you do not meet those standards.

To consider or feel oneself Jewish is certainly a necessary condition of Jewishness, but is it a sufficient condition? [. . . and in too many words Patai says no.] . . . Hence we must add a second necessary condition to the first one: a person must be considered a Jew by others as well in order to be a Jew. The two necessary conditions together amount to a sufficient one. Thus we reach the conclusion that a Jew is a person who considers himself a Jew and is so considered by others. Which of course does not change the fact that to be Jewish is a state of mind, except that now we have recognized that the state, or position, of more than one mind is involved . . . .
I do not know if Patai is referring to Jewishness in an ethnic way or Jewishness in a spiritual way, because in ethnicity, all that one needs is to be considered Jewish by others. And Patai should know this himself.
. . . Jews do not sense of themselves that their association is confessional, that it is based on common religion, for many people whom both religious and secular Jews call Jewish neither believe nor practice the religion at all. This kind of "racialism" is built into the formal cultural system itself. While you can convert in to Judaism, you cannot convert out, and anyone born of Jewish parents is Jewish, even if she doesn't know it. Jewishness is thus certainly not contiguous with modern notions of race, which have been, furthermore discredited empirically. Nor are Jews marked off biologically, as people are marked for sex; nor finally, can Jews be reliably identified by a set of practices, as for example gay people can. On the other hand, Jewishness is not an affective association of individuals either. Jews in general feel not that Jewishness is something they have freely chosen but rather that it's an essence---an essence often nearly empty of any content other than itself--- which has been inscribed --- sometimes even imposed --- on them by birth.
I don't agree with a lot of what you bring from Boyarin, but this certainly seems to hit the spot. Therefore, I don't know why you would claim to be more Jewish than a real Jew. o_O
 
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