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Drinking Poison

firedragon

firedragon

Veteran Member
Cherub786 said:
باسمك اللهم​

"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." (Mark 16:17-18)

Our Muslim scholar, Shaykh Asrar Rashid, recently had a debate with two Christians. During that debate, he challenged them to perform these signs mentioned in the passage I quoted. One of them responded that this passage is an interpolation, not found in the earliest manuscripts, and thus unintentionally handed the Shaykh a victory in the debate, that the Bible has been corrupted and not the Holy Quran. The other Christian, however, a lady who could not speak English very well (the Shaykh challenged her to speak in "new tongues"), countered by challenging him to drink poison. Without hesitation, he picked up the rat poison he had purchased intending to give it to the Christians to drink as part of the challenge mentioned in Mark, and drank it himself!
Startlingly, he was not at all harmed, demonstrating the manifest power of his faith and his Religion.

The Christians were dumbfounded. Here is the clip from that debate:

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First of all Asrar was just being silly offering poison or what looks like poison like the olden days bogus, childish arguments. Then to drink it knowing that it is harmful or not harmful is even more silly because this is a debate and should be done academically. This is just like a Christian claiming "I speak to the Holy Spirit" and that's an argument.

Its silly to quote a verse that one doesn't believe to be valid text and ask them to drink poison to prove a verse they dont believe in. The standard of this debate overall is very sophomore, especially with that lady what's her name, zaithoon or something? She is no scholar? She is just a loud talking evangelist who has no education on theology whatsoever. She is a disciple of Jay Smith and all they do is repeat the same lie again and again to turn naive Christians towards them.

You call this a victory? Mate. Be much more sophisticated than this.
 
stvdv

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
URAVIP2ME said:
It might be interesting to read the verses of Mark chapter 16 verses 9 to 20, however they are Not original Scripture.
Mark ends at Mark 16:8
Note the style of writing changes after verse 8.
There are No corresponding reference verses after verse 8 as there is up to verse 8.
Remember: Jesus did Not ascend to Heaven the day he was resurrected as Mark 16:19 says.
Jerome and Eusebius agreed Mark 16 ends as verse 8.
So, what is written after verse 8 are added spurious verses and Not original gospel.
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Thank you for your reply.
Indeed interesting. Mark 16 is quite different from Mathew 28, thought it tells about the same event.
But that is to be expected. Some people are more sensitive than others. So, they see other things.
And God reveals different things to different people...even at the same time.

I can understand that the Church decided to cut out the parts that make the Bible seemingly inconsistent
But I rather have all the puzzle pieces and interpret it myself.
 
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eik

eik

Active Member
Cherub786 said:
باسمك اللهم​

"And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover." (Mark 16:17-18)

Our Muslim scholar, Shaykh Asrar Rashid, recently had a debate with two Christians. During that debate, he challenged them to perform these signs mentioned in the passage I quoted. One of them responded that this passage is an interpolation, not found in the earliest manuscripts, and thus unintentionally handed the Shaykh a victory in the debate, that the Bible has been corrupted and not the Holy Quran. The other Christian, however, a lady who could not speak English very well (the Shaykh challenged her to speak in "new tongues"), countered by challenging him to drink poison. Without hesitation, he picked up the rat poison he had purchased intending to give it to the Christians to drink as part of the challenge mentioned in Mark, and drank it himself!
Startlingly, he was not at all harmed, demonstrating the manifest power of his faith and his Religion.

The Christians were dumbfounded. Here is the clip from that debate:

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Did it ever occur to you that modern rat poison is not harmful to anything but rats and mice? This is because modern law has rendered all poisons that are harmful to humans, and which used to be used for rat poison, such as thallium sulphate, arsenic and strychnine, illegal?

Moreover, it's also the dosage which counts for a lot. I suspect that the dosage of this dissolved rat poison was fairly low, as constrasted with the solidified rat poison that rats and mice eat in the quantities that they need to eat it, in order to die. One dose of modern poison does not even kill rats or mice. They have to eat it over a period of time.

I wouldn't bet that these muslims could drink any of the aforementioned poisons in lethal dosage and survive! So I conclude a fake miracle.
 
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Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Ricin has no antidote
sure kill
slow death

I don't care who you are.....what you believe
somethings are deadly

just saying
 
Riders

Riders

Well-Known Member
It doesn't kill people unless you take a whole lot of it. My old United Pentecostal sect was a cousin church to the snake handler churches in Virginia and the states with lots of mountains, mo8untain churches. I think Alabama is the main state that has those churches.

They pick up snakes get bitten drink poisen etc...……...….it's crazy, they risk their life but picking up snakes doesn't men death neither does drinking poisen.
 
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