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Drinking Poison

Rival

Si m'ait Dieus
Staff member
Premium Member
Is there good evidence for that? I'm seeing it reported by a few Muslim sites but not from any mainstream or academic sources. Those all just say he "fell ill." I question whether it's just a contrived anti-Semitic story.
It's in the most trusted (sahih) ahadith. Muslims trust it. However the question of whether it actually happened according to non-Muslim academia is much more unlikely.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
It is an old joke...
But since you don't get the reference: If you believe someone's faith can be strong enough to prevent them dying from poison, you might as well believe I am the owner of the Brooklyn Bridge.
Why would I think that?
I do have faith yes, it seems like you do not have it in spiritual life. But understand this, if you have never practiced a spiritual teaching, you can never understand the hidden wisdom. That is he difference in a practicing person and one who do not practice spiritual teaching.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
While the Christian Scripture states that among the signs that will be displayed by those who believe is that they shall drink poison and it shall not harm them, Islam teaches that this is not a necessary sign of Faith, nevertheless, those individuals with a high degree of faith may drink poison as a demonstration of the veracity of our Religion and the truth of the Prophet Muhammad صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم

So it is mentioned in our books of history and Hadith that one of the great companions of the Prophet, a man named Khalid bin Walid رضى الله عنه, whom the Prophet named "Sword of God", drank some poison for this purpose. Before he drank it, he made this supplication:

بسم الله وبالله رب الأرض ورب السماء الذي لا يضر مع اسمه داء
"In the Name of Allah, and by Allah, Lord of Earth and Lord of Heaven, in Whose Name no deadly thing or illness can cause harm"

And miraculously he was not harmed.

So while Christians may debate on the scripture in Mark, whether or not it is genuine, and they may debate on the subject of cessationism, whether the gifts of the Holy Spirit like prophesy and speaking in tongues continue after the apostolic age, our Religion rejects cessationism, and our Shaykh, Asrar Rashid, revived the practice of Khalid bin Walid.
I do not believe a word of this story.
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Proof that "God" exist. With "God" being something like an energy-source we can tap into

I don't care about Religion...I only care about "personal connection" with "God" (Energy-source, Great-Unknown,...)

If your understanding of God is a Great-Unknown Energy-source, then some poison experiment is honestly completely irrelevant to it. We know energy sources exist apart from any poison experiment, and we are aware of things we don't know or understand without such an experiment. It doesn't add or subtract anything to the idea at all, IMHO. :shrug: Nor does it really explain how the experiment results occur in any helpful way.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
Why would I think that?
I do have faith yes, it seems like you do not have it in spiritual life. But understand this, if you have never practiced a spiritual teaching, you can never understand the hidden wisdom. That is he difference in a practicing person and one who do not practice spiritual teaching.

Why would you think what?
That I own the Brooklyn Bridge? Because you believe faith can save from poison. :)
 

stvdv

Veteran Member: I Share (not Debate) my POV
If your understanding of God is a Great-Unknown Energy-source, then some poison experiment is honestly completely irrelevant to it. We know energy sources exist apart from any poison experiment, and we are aware of things we don't know or understand without such an experiment. It doesn't add or subtract anything to the idea at all, IMHO. :shrug: Nor does it really explain how the experiment results occur in any helpful way.
Only personal experience counts in Spirituality. Have you ever tried it yourself?
IF not THEN your words are just your opinion, but say nothing about the Truth.
IF you have tried, well I guess you need to try harder, if you did not find the Truth yet.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Yeah, I know. And so we have the historically ironic Islamic expression: ""Khaybar, Khaybar, Ya Yahud! Jaish Muhammad Sawfa Ya'ud!" ("Khaybar, Khaybar, O Jews! The Army of Muhammad Will Return!"), to which we can answer: "Anachnu Nechakeh Lachem Sham..." "We'll be waiting for you...").

Did you watch the same video I saw yesterday on the subject?
What Arab-Israel war video were you watching?
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Only personal experience counts in Spirituality. Have you ever tried it yourself?

Have I ever tried what? Drinking poison? No. Spirituality? Yes.

IF not THEN your words are just your opinion, but say nothing about the Truth.
IF you have tried, well I guess you need to try harder, if you did not find the Truth yet.

Ah, heads you win, tails I lose, I see.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Why would you think what?
That I own the Brooklyn Bridge? Because you believe faith can save from poison. :)
That has nothing to do with what you own or not. It has to do with the faith I hold in how powerful the teaching I follow is. When doubt is gone the mind and body can handle a lot more then what you think or has been told by science.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
That has nothing to do with what you own or not. It has to do with the faith I hold in how powerful the teaching I follow is. When doubt is gone the mind and body can handle a lot more then what you think or has been told by science.

Cold? Heat? Hunger? Sure.
Deadly poison though? Nope.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
You are welcome to believe or disbelieve what you want :)
I believe in the power of our mind and our spiritual journey.

You really shouldn't believe your faith can overcome deadly poison, because it can't.
This is a really dangerous belief to have.
 

Koldo

Outstanding Member
In your view it maybe is.

But don't worry I have no plan of taking poison :)

Beliefs don't exist in a vacuum though.
If you believe your faith can overcome deadly poison, you probably believe in a lot of other dangerous things.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Beliefs don't exist in a vacuum though.
If you believe your faith can overcome deadly poison, you probably believe in a lot of other dangerous things.
No I do not believe it is safe to do dangerous things, I am not someone who put my life on risk for fun. My belief is not dangerous at all, all I say is that I believe that when a person have cultivated his or her mind to a higher level, they have full control over mind and body. A non cultivator can of course not drink poison without dying.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
I did not know this was in the Scriptures. Nice to read this.....................................
It might be interesting to read the verses of Mark chapter 16 verses 9 to 20, however they are Not original Scripture.
Mark ends at Mark 16:8
Note the style of writing changes after verse 8.
There are No corresponding reference verses after verse 8 as there is up to verse 8.
Remember: Jesus did Not ascend to Heaven the day he was resurrected as Mark 16:19 says.
Jerome and Eusebius agreed Mark 16 ends as verse 8.
So, what is written after verse 8 are added spurious verses and Not original gospel.
 
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