Solomon's big question

Redemptionsong said:

John 1:18 says that 'no man hath seen God at any time', but it also says, 'the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him'.

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Actually, it says that only in pro-trinitarian translations which follow the KJV rendering of that verse....that is most of them.....

The NASB renders that verse as...
"No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him."

So who is correct?

According to Strongs....
"No G3762 one G3762 has seen G3708 God G2316 at any G4455 time; G4455 the only G3439 begotten G3439 God G2316 who is in the bosom G2859 of the Father, G3962 He has explained G1834 Him."

The word translated "SON" in those pro-trinitarian Bibles is "theos" which means "god". So the NASB has it right. All the others have followed an error.

That means if John 1:18 translated "theos" as "Son", then John 1:1 should also.
That would make that scripture say...
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was the Son."

It doesn't take much to skew the language with one small change in the wording......does it?
If "theos" means "God", then how is God begotten? Who is his 'begetter'?

Then in John 3:11 Jesus says, 'Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.'

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I cannot for the life of me understand why people insist on using the KJV, written in language that we do not speak in this 21st century...its almost as if they believe that the Bible was originally written in archaic English.

So.... in the language that we speak today, it says....
"Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony." (NASB)
So what is this actually saying? This is a conversation that Jesus had with with Nicodemus about being "born again". Reading from verse 4, it makes a little more sense....

"4 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” 5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

9 Nicodemus said to Him, “How can these things be?” 10 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things? 11 Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony. 12 If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you heavenly things?" (NASB)

In Jesus' day there was so much to see...miracles were being performed in Jesus' name...the lame were walking...the deaf were hearing, and the blind were seeing.....it was hard to refute what they saw, but the Jewish leaders and those who listened to them, did refute it. But today, we are passed the age of miracles because they accomplished the purpose for which God sent them....to demonstrate his acceptance of the disciples of his son as "the Israel of God" (Galatians 6:16), using the power of God's holy spirit as proof of that. Paul however, indicated that the age of miracles would cease....those who needed to see miracles were betraying the traits of a child.....when a Christian matures, he no longer needs to see with his literal eyes....his eyes of faith paint a wonderful picture. (1 Corinthians 13:11-13) Now, the main characteristics of a Christian are "faith, hope and love".

No man has seen God at any time because all men are sinful and not of God. But the Son of God has a spiritual insight that sinful man does not have. Only those 'born again' of the spirit can gain these insights because they come from the indwelling spirit of God.

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No man has seen God at any time because he is not a material Being.....you cannot see someone who is invisible. Jesus was not God but a divinely produced human born to carry out a very important mission....to give his life in our behalf. He did not need to be God in order to do that.

Those "born again" are "born from water and spirit".....which means that they have undergone water baptism as Christ's disciples and have received an anointing with God's spirit as a token of their choosing....to forego their material life in the flesh, and take on spirit life with Jesus in heaven as "kings and priests". (Revelation 20:6) I do not believe that all Christians are chosen for that role. A kingdom needs subjects, so the small number taken to heaven will rule over the majority here on earth, bringing us back to God's first purpose in Eden. What God starts....he finishes. (Isaiah 55:11)

I believe that we are so close now to seeing Jesus manifest to judge the world and bring in the rule of his kingdom.....Revelation 21:2-4 will then see its fulfillment. The future is looking so good in comparison to what we are experiencing in the world right now......bring it on!

Deeje said:

I believe that we are so close now to seeing Jesus manifest to judge the world and bring in the rule of his kingdom.....Revelation 21:2-4 will then see its fulfillment. The future is looking so good in comparison to what we are experiencing in the world right now......bring it on!

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Are you really looking forward to the great tribulation?

Zechariah 14: The Lord will gather all the nations together to make war on Jerusalem. The city will be taken, the houses Looted, and the women raped. Half the people will go into exile, but the rest of them will not be taken away from the city. Then the Lord will go out and fight against those nations, as he has fought in times Past. (This has not yet happened)

Numbers 24: 17, "A king, like a bright star, will arise in that Nation. Like a comet he will come from Israel. He will strike the leaders of Moab and beat down all the people of Seth. He will conquer his enemies in Edom and make their land his property. While Israel continues victorious. The Nation of Israel will trample them down and wipe out the last survivors."

Isaiah 63: 1-6, "Who is this coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom? Who is this so splendidly dressed in red, marching along in power and strength?" It is the Lord, powerful to save, coming to announce his victory. "Why is his clothing so red, like that of a man who tramples grapes to make wine?" . . . . . The Lord answers, "I have trampled the nations like grapes and no one came to help me. I trampled them in my anger, and their blood has stained all my clothing. I DECIDED THAT THE TIME TO SAVE MY PEOPLE HAD COME; it was time to punish their enemies.

I was amazed when I looked and saw that there was no one to help me. But my anger made me strong, and I won the victory myself. In my anger I trampled whole nations and shattered them, I poured out their life’s blood on the earth."

See Zechariah 14. The Lord will come to fight for his people Israel as he has fought in times past and from within the inner most sanctuary of his tabernacle (The kingdom of God is within you) which temporary tabernacle is the body of mankind, he will fight the enemies of Israel; those Nations who surround Jerusalem in their attempt to drive God's chosen people into the sea.

The African tectonic plate in its northern migration, grinds against the Arabian plate in a line that runs up through the Red Sea and along the Jordon valley beneath the Mount of Olives.

Zechariah 14: 3-4; Then the Lord will go out and fight for his people as he has fought in times past. At that time, he will stand on the Mount of Olives, to the east of Jerusalem. Then the Mount of Olives will be split in two, from east to west by a large valley. Half of the mountain (On the African plate) will move northward, and half of it (On the Arabian plate) will move southward.

Could the violent activity around the earth at this time, be the trigger that will cause the super volcano beneath Yellow stone to erupt, enveloping the planet in a cloud of debris? And that day shall be neither day nor night, but a perpetual twilight.

Zechariah 14: 13; Then the Lord will throw those nations that surround Jerusalem, into a state of total confusion, and the weapons of destruction with which they would destroy Israel, he will cause them to turn upon their own allies and they shall suffer a terrible disease, the soft tissue such as their eyes and tongues will melt in their sockets, and their radiated flesh, cooked to the bone, will slide from their bodies while still standing. Then all the surviving Nations will send their representatives each year to Jerusalem in the land of Israel, to worship and pay tribute to the Lord who will rule the whole world with justice for a thousand years, and woe betide those who refuse to do so.

Then all the godless people of this world, and all those, who in their Synagogues, Mosques, and Cathedrals of stone, marble, or crystal, who prostate themselves on the floors or who sing and dance with their eyes and hands raised to the heavens in worship of a god they neither know or understand, will bow down and worship THE God of the Bible, the Most High in the creation, ‘The Son of Man’ who evolves from the body of mankind, the Lord of Creatures.

Well I'm not looking forward to that, but I am looking forward to the great Sabbath day of One thousand years, which is the future reality of the weekly Sabbath.

It is in that thousand years of peace that all our resources will be used to prepare for the ultimate destruction of all physical life forms that remain on this planet. Knowing that which is to occur after the one thousand year Sabbath, when heavenly fire incinerate the surface of the earth, with the great wealth that will be paid in tribute by the nations of the world during that thousand year rule of our king and high priest, genetic banks of all physical life forms will be created, (The Ark) and sent to a place of safety in order that when the incinerated earth is once again able to sustain physical life forms, Plants will be planted, animals will be created anew, and when the system for the sustainability of mankind has been put in place, the Lord, our brother, king, and high priest will say, "And now, let us make man in our image and likeness." And a new and more, humble Race of men will people this earth.

"Under the guidance of Jupiter (Planet) man prepares, by means of religious exercises, for the journey to the life beyond, and he attains rest under the influence of Saturn." (Basra Encyclopedia)- De Boer, Philosophy in Islam, p 88.

The water ocean on Enceladus, a moon that orbits the planet Saturn, is about 6 miles (10 kilometers) deep and lies beneath a shell of ice 19 to 25 miles (30 to 40 km) thick, researchers said. Further, it's in direct contact with a rocky seafloor, theoretically making possible all kinds of complex chemical reactions — such as, perhaps, the kind that led to the rise of life on Earth.

"The world being melted and re-entered into the bosom of Jupiter, this God continues for some time totally concentered in himself: . . . afterwards we see a new world spring from him, perfect in all its parts; animals are produced anew; an innocent race of man is formed under more favourable auspices, in order to people this earth." " Seneca, Epist, 9, and Qucest. Nat. L. 3, c, ult.

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From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; "And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason, Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it." Adam died at the age of 930 in the first day.

We are now approaching the close of the 6th day and the beginning of the 7th, which is the great Sabbath, “The Day of The Lord” the seventh period of one thousand years from the day that Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that first day at the age of 930, which day begins after the greatest period of tribulation that this world has ever seen.

This coming period of tribulation is said to be so severe, that if it were not for the intervention of the Lord, no flesh would survive. We are almost at the close of the sixth day, and soon comes the great tribulation, which is the war to end all wars, after which the Sabbath will dawn, but when? Nobody knows the exact date.

One of the worst tribulations that the earth has suffered in recent times occurred some 75,000 years ago with the Toba super eruption, which was a super volcanic eruption that occurred sometime between 69,000 and 77,000 years ago at Lake Toba (Sumatra Indonesia). It is recognised as one of earth’s largest eruptions.

Thousands of cubic kilometres of material would have been blasted out into the stratosphere blocking out the light all over the world, turning the sun and moon into huge blood red orbs and causing the earth’s temperature to drop some 21% and it would possibly have been a thousand years, before rainbows could form in our atmosphere again.

The related catastrophe theory holds that this event plunged the planet into a 6 to 10 year volcanic winter and possibly an additional 1,000 year cooling episode. This change in temperature resulted in the world’s proto-human population being reduced to 10,000 or even a mere 1,000 breeding pairs, creating a bottleneck in human evolution.

Could an eruption such as this, be more of a blessing, than a curse, could a protective shield around the earth to protect us from increased heavenly radiation for a period of time, be established, to give us time to prepare for the ultimate end of all physical life forms that remain on this planet, and if so how?

The huge column of molten rock that feeds Yellowstone's "super volcano" dives deeper and fills a magma chamber 20 percent bigger than previous estimates, scientists say. The finding, based on the most detailed model yet of the region's geologic plumbing, suggests that Yellowstone's magma chamber contains even more fuel for a future "super eruption" than anyone had suspected.

The model shows that a 45-mile-wide (72-kilometer-wide) plume of hot, molten rock rises to feed the super volcano from at least 410 miles (660 kilometers) beneath Earth's surface. The deepest part of the plume actually sits beneath the town of Wisdom, Montana, about 150 miles (241 kilometers) from Yellowstone National Park, a steady flow of hot rock in Earth's upper mantle causes the plume to drift to the southeast, where it fills a magma chamber that sits just 3.7 to 10 miles (5.9 to 16 kilometers) beneath Yellowstone.

Other new data show that Yellowstone's magma chamber extends 13 miles (21 kilometers) farther to the northeast than previously thought. Scientists had already known that Yellowstone is a volcanic hot spot, and that within the past two million years, the region has seen three mammoth eruptions at intervals of about 600,000 years, and it is 640,000 years since it’s last eruption. Such events it is said, can produce at least 77 cubic miles (360 cubic kilometers) of basalt: enough to bury Washington, D.C., under nearly 7,200 feet (2,200 meters) of solidified lava.

The ground beneath Yellowstone is said to be 74cm higher today than it was in 1923, which indicates a massive swelling beneath the Park. Scientists believe that the reservoir of Magma is filling at an alarming rate and as that volcano erupts with an average cycle of 600,000 years and the last eruption was more than 640,000 years ago we are overdue for annihilation.

Forget about the death total within the immediate period of the explosive eruption, but just imagine what happens to our communication and ground and air transport systems, fuel supplies, power grids, atomic power stations spewing out radiation into the atmosphere, etc, etc.

What did Jesus say concerning that day? "Pray that your flight be not in winter, (The nuclear/volcanic winter) and woe unto the women who are pregnant in those days, perhaps the evolutionary son of man, came from mutants that are to be born in those days.

Zechariah 14: 6; And it shall come to pass in that day, (The Lord’s Day of one thousand years) that the light shall not be clear or dark: and it shall be one day which shall be known to the Lord, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that evening time it shall be light. On that day there will be neither sunlight nor cold, frosty darkness. On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half of it east to the Dead Sea and half of it west to the Mediterranean Sea, in summer and in winter. The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name.

Could the Great prophesied war in the Middle East be the trigger to set off the volcano beneath Yellowstone, bringing in a thousand- year period of twilight in which rainbows can't form in our atmosphere? And when, according to Isaiah 65: 20, "If one were to die during that period at the age of 100, they would be but a child.

Concerning that day, it is written in Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord God our savior) has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a 'MAN' he has 'CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that 'MAN' from death.

Revelation 20: 7-9: It is after the thousand year rule of Jesus and the body of Christ, which came out of their graves three days after Jesus gave up his spirit, has ended (How long after? Nobody knows.) that the last trumpet will sound and the fire from heaven descends and incinerates the surface of this planet as prophesied by Zephaniah.

In dream I saw the heavens ablaze with balls of fire
Huge hailstones that were burning and streaking down the skies
The earth was clothed in purples, dark orange, and deep blue
Like a swaddling cloth surrounding us that hid the stars from veiw
Dark clouds rose from the mountain peaks, earth's veins were opened wide
Through which her inner blood spewed forth in streams of living fire
Whole continents, they heaved and tossed, waves rippled through the ground
In all the earth, no hiding place of safety could be found
The oceans boiled, they foamed and rose destroying cities on their shores
All the river dams were busted, valley towns were seen no more
The power stations of the earth--all were melted down
A few survivors of the human race were all that could be found
And then I saw the winter, a winter so severe
It lasted not a few short months, but many, many, years
And the women who were pregnant, Ahh, the children that they bore
Grotesque and hideous malformations, I pray to see that sight no more
Then when the winter lifted and the crops began to grow
A strange and eerie world emerged from the destruction and the snow
A world with neither day nor night where rainbows couldn't form
In the atmosphere above the earth, and yet the air was strangely warm
A thousand years of twilight and through that swaddling band on high
Three blood red giants were blazing through a hazed and orange sky
The sun and moon had turned to blood, but far brighter than the moon
Was Jupiter, that heavenly light, which in time would spell man's doom......The Anointed/

The Anointed said:

Are you really looking forward to the great tribulation?

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No...I look forward to what comes after it......I long for it to be over and for the Kingdom to rule this earth so that redeemed mankind can live the life we were designed to live....in peace and security forever in Paradise. (Isaiah 55:11)

The Anointed said:

Well I'm not looking forward to that, but I am looking forward to the great Sabbath day of One thousand years, which is the future reality of the weekly Sabbath.

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Yes, the Kingdom will usher in 1,000 years of peace and prosperity for the human race that was rescued by Christ's sacrifice. At the end of that 1,000 years, after one last test, the faithful will be granted everlasting life on a beautiful "new earth"....governed by a "new heavens". (2 Peter 3:13)

The Anointed said:

It is in that thousand years of peace that all our resources will be used to prepare for the ultimate destruction of all physical life forms that remain on this planet. Knowing that which is to occur after the one thousand year Sabbath, when heavenly fire incinerate the surface of the earth, with the great wealth that will be paid in tribute by the nations of the world during that thousand year rule of our king and high priest, genetic banks of all physical life forms will be created, (The Ark) and sent to a place of safety in order that when the incinerated earth is once again able to sustain physical life forms, Plants will be planted, animals will be created anew, and when the system for the sustainability of mankind has been put in place, the Lord, our brother, king, and high priest will say, "And now, let us make man in our image and likeness." And a new and more, humble Race of men will people this earth.

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What???? Now you have wandered off into fairy tales. This earth is not going anywhere...it is perfect...it just needs a bath, like it did in Noah's day, only this time the purging will not be by water, but the fire of Jehovah's anger. It is not a literal fire.

Ecclesiastes 1:4...
"A generation is going, and a generation is coming,
But the earth remains forever."

Psalm 104:5...
"He has established the earth on its foundations;
It will not be moved from its place forever and ever."

The Anointed said:

"Under the guidance of Jupiter (Planet) man prepares, by means of religious exercises, for the journey to the life beyond, and he attains rest under the influence of Saturn." (Basra Encyclopedia)- De Boer, Philosophy in Islam, p 88.

The water ocean on Enceladus, a moon that orbits the planet Saturn, is about 6 miles (10 kilometers) deep and lies beneath a shell of ice 19 to 25 miles (30 to 40 km) thick, researchers said. Further, it's in direct contact with a rocky seafloor, theoretically making possible all kinds of complex chemical reactions — such as, perhaps, the kind that led to the rise of life on Earth.

"The world being melted and re-entered into the bosom of Jupiter, this God continues for some time totally concentered in himself: . . . afterwards we see a new world spring from him, perfect in all its parts; animals are produced anew; an innocent race of man is formed under more favourable auspices, in order to people this earth." " Seneca, Epist, 9, and Qucest. Nat. L. 3, c, ult.

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Sorry, but this sounds like a bad science fiction movie.....none of this finds support in the scriptures. There is a reason why the Bible has an established canon...to prevent people from adding things that clearly do not belong.

Christianity is not the product of a celestial shopping spree.....it has established beliefs that were taught by Christ. He used God's word to teach his disciples.

Is your view reflective of the beliefs of a church or is this your own persona interpretation? If you are the only one who believes this, then it means that you are devoid of a brotherhood.....Christianity is a brotherhood......today, a global one who should all demonstrate being of one mind....

1 Corinthians 1:10...
"Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought."

Who else shares your beliefs?

Deeje said:

No...I look forward to what comes after it......I long for it to be over and for the Kingdom to rule this earth so that redeemed mankind can live the life we were designed to live....in peace and security forever in Paradise. (Isaiah 55:11)



Yes, the Kingdom will usher in 1,000 years of peace and prosperity for the human race that was rescued by Christ's sacrifice. At the end of that 1,000 years, after one last test, the faithful will be granted everlasting life on a beautiful "new earth"....governed by a "new heavens". (2 Peter 3:13)



What???? Now you have wandered off into fairy tales. This earth is not going anywhere...it is perfect...it just needs a bath, like it did in Noah's day, only this time the purging will not be by water, but the fire of Jehovah's anger. It is not a literal fire.

Ecclesiastes 1:4...
"A generation is going, and a generation is coming,
But the earth remains forever."

Psalm 104:5...
"He has established the earth on its foundations;
It will not be moved from its place forever and ever."



Sorry, but this sounds like a bad science fiction movie.....none of this finds support in the scriptures. There is a reason why the Bible has an established canon...to prevent people from adding things that clearly do not belong.

Christianity is not the product of a celestial shopping spree.....it has established beliefs that were taught by Christ. He used God's word to teach his disciples.

Is your view reflective of the beliefs of a church or is this your own persona interpretation? If you are the only one who believes this, then it means that you are devoid of a brotherhood.....Christianity is a brotherhood......today, a global one who should all demonstrate being of one mind....

1 Corinthians 1:10...
"Now I urge you, brothers, through the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you should all speak in agreement and that there should be no divisions among you, but that you may be completely united in the same mind and in the same line of thought."

Who else shares your beliefs?

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Deeje wrote: "There is a reason why the Bible has an established canon...to prevent people from adding things that clearly do not belong."

Where did Luke receive the information that Shelah was the son of Kainam/Cainam? certainly not from your canon.

[Chapter 8]1 In the twenty-ninth jubilee, in the first week, in the beginning thereof Arpachshad took to himself a wife and her name was Rasu’eja, the daughter of Susan, the daughter of Elam, and she 2 bare him a son in the third year in this week, and he called his name Kainam. And the son grew, and his father taught him writing, and he went to seek for himself a place where he might seize for 3 himself a city. And he found a writing which former (generations) had carved on the rock, and he read what was thereon, and he transcribed it and sinned owing to it; for it contained the teaching of the Watchers in accordance with which they used to observe the omens of the sun and moon and 4 stars in all the signs of heaven. And he wrote it down and said nothing regarding it; for he was 5 afraid to speak to Noah about it lest he should be angry with him on account of it. And in the Thirtieth jubilee, in the second week, in the first year thereof, he took to himself a wife, and her name was Melka, the daughter of Madai, the son of Japheth, and in the fourth year he begat a son, and 6 called his name Shelah; for he said: ’Truly I have been sent.’

Also, in the Septuagint the Greek scriptures from which Luke and others who studied the words of the Lord would have used as the biblical guide, in Gen 11: 12; and 1 Chronicles 1 18 state that Kainam was the father of Shelah, where as your OT canon says that Arpachshad was the father of Shelah.

Where did the author of the book of Hebrews receive the information that that Enoch was translated in order that he should never experience death? certainly not from your canon.

"The Book of the Secrets of Enoch" 22: 8; "And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me: "Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity."

And the archistratiege Michael lifted me up, and led me before the Lord"s face.

[Archistratege. Or, "the commander of the armies of the nations, named Michael."]

And the Lord said to Michael: "Go take Enoch from out his earthly garments, and anoint him with my sweet ointment, and put him into the garments of my glory." [Enoch, is the one who was anointed as the successor to the Godhead: CHRIST=The anointed one]

And Michael did thus as the Lord told him. He anointed me, and dressed me, and the appearance of that ointment is more than the great light, and his ointment is like sweet dew, and its smell mild, shining like the sun’s rays, and I looked at myself, and was like one of his glorious ones.

The books of Enoch were cherished by the early Christians right up until the fourth century, when under the ban of dogmatic authorities of the Roman church of Emperor Constantine such as Hilary, Jerome, and Augustine, they finally passed put of circulation and were thought lost for millennia.

Where did Peter receive the information that the heavenly elements would burn up and the entire universe would disappear? certainly not from your canon,

From Enoch the prophet, Enoch was carried to the ends of time where he witnessed the heavens burn up and fall a massive columns of fire beyond all measure in height and depth into the Great Abyss=Black Hole, which Enoch describes as the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven, beyond which there was nothing. the heavens and earth had disappeared/

From where did the apostles receive the information that the sons of God would be chained in darkness until the day of their consumation? certainly not from your canon. Jude and the other apostles received that information from the books of the prophet Enoch.

This is the message that the LORD gave to Zephaniah during the time that Josiah son of Amon was king of Judah. (Zephaniah was descended from King Hezekiah through Amariah, Gedaliah, and Cushi.)

The Day of the LORD's Judgement

2The LORD said, “I am going to destroy everything on earth, 3all human beings and animals, birds and fish. I will bring about the downfall of the wicked. I will destroy the whole human race, and no survivors will be left. I, the LORD, have spoken.

Verse 18; On the day when the LORD shows his fury, not even all their silver and gold will save them. The whole earth will be destroyed by the fire of his anger. He will put an end — a sudden end — to everyone who lives on earth.

"Who lives on earth being the operative sentence.

Let me repeat. . . . .It is in that thousand years of peace that all our resources will be used to prepare for the ultimate destruction of all physical life forms that remain on this planet. Knowing that which is to occur after the one thousand year Sabbath, when heavenly fire incinerate the surface of the earth, with the great wealth that will be paid in tribute by the nations of the world during that thousand year rule of our king and high priest, genetic banks of all physical life forms will be created, (The Ark) and sent to a place of safety in order that when the incinerated earth is once again able to sustain physical life forms, Plants will be planted, animals will be created anew, and when the system for the sustainability of mankind has been put in place, the Lord, our brother, king, and high priest will say, "And now, let us make man in our image and likeness." And a new and more, humble Race of men will people this earth.

The destruction of all physical life forms on this planet, has nothing to do with the big Crunch, when this universe is returned to the eternal energy from which it was created, only to be resurrected again in the eternal oscillating process of God, 'THE LOGOS."

Redemptionsong said:

Malachi 3:1 was a real eye-opener to me. I have little doubt that Jesus is the intended 'messenger of the covenant' and that the prophecy is that 'the Lord [Spirit of Christ, Holy Spirit], whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple'.

This cannot be a reference to the third temple in Jerusalem, because there is nothing about Herod's temple that could have pleased God. Jesus called it a 'den of thieves' [Matthew 21:13]. This strongly indicates that the temple referred to in Malachi 3:1 is the body of Jesus. The Lord, in the form of the Holy Spirit, came to the body of Jesus at his baptism.

When the 'glory of the LORD' appeared in the tabernacle, and later in the temple of Solomon, the LORD may not have come to DWELL but He certainly made his presence known! I believe this foreshadows the coming of the Lord to his temple 'made without hands', aka Jesus.

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I believe that makes sense when He said "I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days."

Muffled said:

I believe that makes sense when He said "I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days."

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Deuteronomy 18: 18-19; YHVH, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, says to Moses; "I will send them a prophet like you from among their own people; I will put MY WORDS in his mouth, and he and he shall speak to them all that I command, and whosoever will not heed MY WORDS, which he shall speak in MY NAME, I will punish, etc.

Peter confirms that Jesus was that man, when, concerning the man Jesus, he says in. Acts 3: 22; For Moses said; "The Lord your God will send you a prophet, just as he sent me, and he will be one of your own people, etc."

Did the people of his day believe that he was the Lord, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The God of our ancestors? No, they did not, for on the day of his triumphant entry into Jerusalem, the people escorting him cried out, "BLESSED IS HE WHO COMES IN THE NAME OF THE LORD" Verifying that they believed Jesus to be the one that God had promised that he would choose from among the Israelites, and send to the people to speak in his name.

Jesus spoke not one word on his own authority, but only that which he was commanded to say by our Lord God and savior, who filled the man Jesus with his spirit (My words are spirit said the Lord through his servant Jesus) on the day he was baptised as the heavenly voice was heard to say, "You are my son This Day I have begotten thee, or as said in the book of Hebrews; "You are my son TODAY I have become your Father."

Whose words were these in reference to the body of Jesus (The earthly temple of the Lord) which had been filled by the spirit=information=words of the Lord which had descended upon him in the form of a dove? “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up?”

Acts 5: 30; The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom you slew and hanged on a tree.

Acts 13: 30; But God raised him from the dead: and he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee, etc.

1st Corinthians 6: 14; And God has both raised up the Lord, and will also raise up us by his own power.

2nd Corinthians 1: 9; But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead.

2nd Corinthians 4: 14; knowing that he who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and bring us with you into his presence.

Acts 17: 31; For He (The Lord God our saviour) has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

It was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who said through his obedient servant Jesus; “Destroy this Temple and in three days I will raise it up.”