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Jordan Peterson on White Privilege
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Clearly, she isn't "woke".
Thief
Rogue Theologian
but neither is she sleep walking
Thief
Rogue Theologian
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
Sorry, but your position isn't clear to me. Do you think systematic racism against Black people factually exists, or not?
Adding "systematic" changes the issue.
Racism against them exists, but it appears to originate from individuals, ie, not a system.
Moreover, the system even favors them with the vestiges of affirmative action.
For example, a friend had a demolition company that did much business in Detroit.
But he shut it down cuz black owned companies got so much preferential treatment.
Another friend has his construction company officially owned by his wife, who is
Hispanic (albeit blonde & blue eyed). This helps getting government work.
Perhaps you mean "systemic"?
Thief
Rogue Theologian
well I don't think so
that black woman doing a selfie report
noted her acceptance to a school PREFERED by her skin rather than academic achievements
that's not oppression
that's black privilege
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
Yes, thank you.
So, you don't believe systemic racism exists, it's just a couple of bad individuals, and you also believe that Black people in the US are systematically advantaged.
Thank you for making your stance clear.
Now I know I do not need to waste my time discussing these issues with you.
You've completely changed my meaning.
I agree with you though.
You shouldn't waste your time discussing these issues
with the straw man you've created from my posts.
But if ever you'd like to discuss what I actually post,
I'm here for you.
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
"Racism against them exists, but it appears to originate from individuals, ie, not a system."
-> so, you don't believe systemic racism exists, it's just a couple of bad individuals
"Moreover, the system even favors them with the vestiges of affirmative action."
-> you also believe that Black people in the US are systematically advantaged
Would you mind point out where I have changed the meaning of your statements?
About these recurring erroneous inferences.
It's not for me to determine whether tis language difficulties or intent.
But whichever, it's uninteresting to address your constructs instead
of what I actually posted.
I suggest that if you want to continue, then re-read our discussion
with an eye towards grokking my meaning, not bickering. When
asking questions, try to not make them loaded.
Gandalf
Horn Tooter
Any privilege is a thing, everybody holds a racial bias amongst others. As an African man though I tend to do very well amongst any race especially Asians and Europeans by far but then again I am not an ignorant fool with a limited world view. I have no reason to believe being white makes you privileged in this society as of now or anything else. Obviously people who complain about this have never had a job, anywhere.
I recall having this argument with a black coworker who was working in the IT department all by himself for months. He along with many of the black employees felt offended by this concept considering any office or business you work at you will always see African American and minorities all the time in high abundance irregardless of where you are in the US for the most part.
It just doesn't pan out in reality yet alone statistically if you don't understand the issues affecting Africans in the US currently. Chalking it up to direct racism or white privilege is just silly and asinine.
I recall having this argument with a black coworker who was working in the IT department all by himself for months. He along with many of the black employees felt offended by this concept considering any office or business you work at you will always see African American and minorities all the time in high abundance irregardless of where you are in the US for the most part.
It just doesn't pan out in reality yet alone statistically if you don't understand the issues affecting Africans in the US currently. Chalking it up to direct racism or white privilege is just silly and asinine.
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
Yes, it's pretty clear to me that you are not interested in a debate here.
Looks like my initial assessment was correct after all.
You're correct about my not wanting a debate.
Interesting discussion is my goal. Selecting
inferences geared to win a debate by picking
invented nits is uninteresting.
I'm offering useful advice here....seek to understand
the views of others....not to win an argument.
You'll have more fun & less annoyance.
It is interesting that you are letting your assumptions run the dialogue. From my perspective, you are interested in winning, not discussing.
Tambourine
Well-Known Member
Don't worry, I'm leaving.
That wasn't the point at all, stop playing the volunteer victim (cowards do that and I think you are better than that).
Scott C.
Just one guy
I'm not really responding to the video. I don't believe in the concept of "white privilege" and find the term to be offensive, divisive, and ambiguous. Yes, I believe that many, if not all, black people deal with racism against them and that may give them challenges that I don't have. I also would agree that the extent to which I have been discriminated against due to age, religion, or race is small. But, it's not a privilege to live a life where people do not hold you back based on race. That is a right. It's not a privilege that I can exercise my religion freely. That is a right. It's not a privilege that I can speak freely. That is a right. Black people have a right to not be discriminated against. When that right is taken away, they are put in a position of disadvantage. This is why we fight for civil rights and fair treatment. We want to stop racial discrimination. If we decide to agree that "never being discriminated against" = "white privilege" then why would you want to stop white privilege? That would amount to making sure that whites are also discriminated against based on race. Now if what you really mean is we need to stop the disadvantages created due to racism (i.e., the denial of rights), and thereby any appearance of privilege will be eliminated, why do we not frame it that way?
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Thief
Rogue Theologian
has anyone taken 8minutes to watch the video?