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Jesus Said "It Is Finished"

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lostwanderingsoul

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Nova2216 said:
De 6:1 ¶ Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 ¶ Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
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You do realize this is Old Testament. I thought Christians were only under New Testament rules.
 
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Nova2216

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lostwanderingsoul said:
Let me try one more time please. You talk about their parents teaching them. Let's think about a person born in China 1000 years ago. Neither that person nor his parents nor other ancestors ever heard about Jesus or anything in the New Testament. Probably not Old Testament either. Everyone says there is no name except Jesus that can save you. This person and all his ancestors never heard of Jesus or the NT. He has no chance to be saved. A loving God who is not willing that any should perish seems very willing that this person should perish because he never heard of Jesus or the NT or was never baptized. I do not believe God would be that unfair. I hope you do not think God is that unfair.
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What you call UNFAIR is the wisdom of men.

1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
 
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Nova2216

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lostwanderingsoul said:
Let me try one more time please. You talk about their parents teaching them. Let's think about a person born in China 1000 years ago. Neither that person nor his parents nor other ancestors ever heard about Jesus or anything in the New Testament. Probably not Old Testament either. Everyone says there is no name except Jesus that can save you. This person and all his ancestors never heard of Jesus or the NT. He has no chance to be saved. A loving God who is not willing that any should perish seems very willing that this person should perish because he never heard of Jesus or the NT or was never baptized. I do not believe God would be that unfair. I hope you do not think God is that unfair.
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It is called being JUST.

God is JUST.

(Rom.2:11) - God is no respecter of persons.
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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Nova2216 said:
What you call UNFAIR is the wisdom of men.

1Co 1:18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
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I am trying my best to get your beliefs. You say people must follow Jesus and the NT rules to be saved. Thousands, no millions, ofpeople have never heard of Jesus or the NT. So they will be tortured forever by a loving God who is not willing that any should perish. I cannot believe that any religion would teach such a terrible thing. God is love. God loves everyone. God does not want anyone to die. Bur if you never heard of him he will turn his back on you. Not the God I believe in. And I really think the God you believe in would not do it either. You just get so concerned with quoting scripture that you do not think of the love that God has for everyone and would never torture anyone because he never heard of Jesus or the NT.
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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Nova2216 said:
It is called being JUST.

God is JUST.

(Rom.2:11) - God is no respecter of persons.
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Being just requires giving everyone an equal chance. If someone is born at the wrong time or place and never has a chance, then it is NOT JUST to punish that person. I am certainly glad our courts and judges do not work that way. It sounds like God IS a respecter of persons. He respects those who were born at a time and place where they could learn about him and his laws. But he does not respect those born at the wrong time or place. If you can explain how that is not being a respecter of persons it will be very interesting.
 
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Nova2216

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lostwanderingsoul said:
I am trying my best to get your beliefs. You say people must follow Jesus and the NT rules to be saved. Thousands, no millions, ofpeople have never heard of Jesus or the NT. So they will be tortured forever by a loving God who is not willing that any should perish. I cannot believe that any religion would teach such a terrible thing. God is love. God loves everyone. God does not want anyone to die. Bur if you never heard of him he will turn his back on you. Not the God I believe in. And I really think the God you believe in would not do it either. You just get so concerned with quoting scripture that you do not think of the love that God has for everyone and would never torture anyone because he never heard of Jesus or the NT.
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Php 3:16 Nevertheless, whereto we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us mind the same thing (Phil.3:16)


Ro 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life. (Jn 5:39)
 
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Nova2216

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lostwanderingsoul said:
Being just requires giving everyone an equal chance. If someone is born at the wrong time or place and never has a chance, then it is NOT JUST to punish that person. I am certainly glad our courts and judges do not work that way. It sounds like God IS a respecter of persons. He respects those who were born at a time and place where they could learn about him and his laws. But he does not respect those born at the wrong time or place. If you can explain how that is not being a respecter of persons it will be very interesting.
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(Rom. 1:18-20)
Ro 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


You are searching for an EXCUSE.

OR

Another gospel (2Thess.1:7-9)
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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Nova2216 said:
(Rom. 1:18-20)
Ro 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:


You are searching for an EXCUSE.

OR

Another gospel (2Thess.1:7-9)
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I can only say that your God would reject me because I think he is unfair and unjust. My God would welcome you and explain his love and goodness to ALL people.
 
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Nova2216

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Each individual must look into the word of God and be changed into what God wants men to be, to many times men look at God and try to change Him into what men want.

2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.




*Some people who refused to submit to the will of God were spoken to in this manner.

*Ac 7:51 ¶ Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
 
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Nova2216

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You can tell those who do not love the TRUTH, for they will say things like "do not give me scriptures rather tell me what YOU THINK".

Paul said - the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
 
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Nova2216

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lostwanderingsoul said:
I can only say that your God would reject me because I think he is unfair and unjust. My God would welcome you and explain his love and goodness to ALL people.
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*Do you know this God?

Ro 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
 
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Nova2216

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i try to post scripture and say just as little as possible in my own words b/c of what (1Cor.4:6) teaches.

that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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Nova2216 said:
i try to post scripture and say just as little as possible in my own words b/c of what (1Cor.4:6) teaches.

that ye might learn in us not to think of men above that which is written, that no one of you be puffed up for one against another.
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Sometimes people want your ideas or opinions. Scripture is often subject to different interpretations.
 
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Nova2216

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lostwanderingsoul said:
Sometimes people want your ideas or opinions. Scripture is often subject to different interpretations.
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*If God has an answer that is what I will give them. (1Peter 4:11)


There is only one way the scriptures can be interpreted correctly. (1Cor.1:10) (Phil. 3:16)

There are thousands of ways to misinterpret the word of God and that is how we ended up with 1000s of churches teaching differing doctrines when the word of God says walk by the same rule and speak the same thing. (Phil.3:16-19) (1Cor,1:10)



2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
 
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lostwanderingsoul

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Nova2216 said:
*If God has an answer that is what I will give them. (1Peter 4:11)


There is only one way the scriptures can be interpreted correctly. (1Cor.1:10) (Phil. 3:16)

There are thousands of ways to misinterpret the word of God and that is how we ended up with 1000s of churches teaching differing doctrines when the word of God says walk by the same rule and speak the same thing. (Phil.3:16-19) (1Cor,1:10)



2Pe 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
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But you are doing what you say should not be done. One verse says people were added to the church. A completely different verse says people were translated into the kingdom. You INTERPRET this as meaning the church and the kingdom are the same. But no scripture actually says that. It is YOUR opinion or interpretation. There is no reason God could not set up a church and a separate kingdom. Nothing in scripture says they are the same. It is only your interpretation of what it means. One of the thousands of misinterpretations you say exist.
 
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