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a pic of my current predicament

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
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This is a pic of a false prophet, with a demon whispering into his ear to encourage and guide him

I too have a demon who whispers into my ear (in a non-verbal way) and I believe that it wants me to become a false prophet, which is not going to happen as I am loyal to Jesus

However, I try my best to ignore this demon, and am waging a campaign of spiritual warfare to make it go away and shut up. Which is actually working!

I think that if I wanted to and had things turned out differently then I could have been a very good false prophet. But as I said, I'm now loyal to Jesus. Jesus is my Lord and I don't want to be a false anything!​
 

cataway

Well-Known Member
some will tell you ,you are nuts . they are ignorant . if it is a demon there is some thing they dont like , you could try calling out to Jehovah
 

eik

Active Member
May be this demon is linked to your interest in Liberation Theology, which I suggest will always be a source of demonic influence. Combining Christianity and far left politics is seldom a good idea, because the far left even if originally motivated by genuine Christian concern for the poor, back in the "Christian" 19th century and eras earlier than that, was long ago taken over by militant atheists, i.e. towards the latter end of the 19th century and in the 20th century. These joined with feminists and people of absolutely no morality to usurp the democratic power to promulgate social atheism, including free divorce etc, whilst essentially leaving the poor still poor. Moreover the poor are often poor just because they are uneducated and are content to be uneducated, which political power cannot do much about. Therein lies the need and opportunity for a genuine religious reformation rather than "liberation theology."

That's not to say that many injustices don't exist in respect of the poor that need righting straight away, but it is to observe that direct political action by the hard left is often misdirected and ends in endemic corruption, as in Russia and Albania, which have now thrown off the shackles of communism after endemic economic collapse and social unrest.

Thus in Europe, I guess many left wing parties historically embraced and still embrace the EU as the embodiment of the communist/ socialist ideal, not realizing that the EU has done more to make the poor poorer over the last 50 years than just about anything else.
 
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dybmh

דניאל יוסף בן מאיר הירש
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This is a pic of a false prophet, with a demon whispering into his ear to encourage and guide him

I too have a demon who whispers into my ear (in a non-verbal way) and I believe that it wants me to become a false prophet, which is not going to happen as I am loyal to Jesus

However, I try my best to ignore this demon, and am waging a campaign of spiritual warfare to make it go away and shut up. Which is actually working!

I think that if I wanted to and had things turned out differently then I could have been a very good false prophet. But as I said, I'm now loyal to Jesus. Jesus is my Lord and I don't want to be a false anything!​
What's missing in this picture is the little angel that is whispering from the other shoulder....

Oh yeah, that little angel is you. :glomp:
 

Eddi

Agnostic
Premium Member
May be this demon is linked to your interest in Liberation Theology, which I suggest will always be a source of demonic influence
Yes, maybe you're right

Thanks for the insight :)
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
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This is a pic of a false prophet, with a demon whispering into his ear to encourage and guide him

I too have a demon who whispers into my ear (in a non-verbal way) and I believe that it wants me to become a false prophet, which is not going to happen as I am loyal to Jesus

However, I try my best to ignore this demon, and am waging a campaign of spiritual warfare to make it go away and shut up. Which is actually working!

I think that if I wanted to and had things turned out differently then I could have been a very good false prophet. But as I said, I'm now loyal to Jesus. Jesus is my Lord and I don't want to be a false anything!​
Mark 16:17
Luke 10:19
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
May be this demon is linked to your interest in Liberation Theology, which I suggest will always be a source of demonic influence. Combining Christianity and far left politics is seldom a good idea, because the far left even if originally motivated by genuine Christian concern for the poor, back in the "Christian" 19th century and eras earlier than that, was long ago taken over by militant atheists, i.e. towards the latter end of the 19th century and in the 20th century. These joined with feminists and people of absolutely no morality to usurp the democratic power to promulgate social atheism, including free divorce etc, whilst essentially leaving the poor still poor. Moreover the poor are often poor just because they are uneducated and are content to be uneducated, which political power cannot do much about. Therein lies the need and opportunity for a genuine religious reformation rather than "liberation theology."

That's not to say that many injustices don't exist in respect of the poor that need righting straight away, but it is to observe that direct political action by the hard left is often misdirected and ends in endemic corruption, as in Russia and Albania, which have now thrown off the shackles of communism after endemic economic collapse and social unrest.

Thus in Europe, I guess many left wing parties historically embraced and still embrace the EU as the embodiment of the communist/ socialist ideal, not realizing that the EU has done more to make the poor poorer over the last 50 years than just about anything else.

How do you follow the liberal teachings and examples of Christ without being liberal yourself? Wouldn't you be far more likely to attract demons by following political platforms and policies that directly oppose the teachings and examples of Christ?

 

eik

Active Member
How do you follow the liberal teachings and examples of Christ without being liberal yourself? Wouldn't you be far more likely to attract demons by following political platforms and policies that directly oppose the teachings and examples of Christ?
You misunderstand Christ's message. He said "the poor you will always have with you." Matthew 26:11. Poverty is associated with lack of education, and with a lack of morality, although sometimes due to illness. Today the poor are taken care of by political policies: social security, and by conventions: i.e. by the philanthropy of the rich, even "tipping" (especially in the USA), which tops up low wages in the hospitality sector. Politics should be about both wealth generation and morality. Wealth generation is a part of morality. Socialism has proven over and again it is interested in neither, but in power for power's sake.

"Rule by the poor" or major asset transfer between rich and poor under political communism was never part of Christ's message, although he preached that wealth was a snare for the rich and that people should be generous with their wealth, if they have it.

Personally I don't espouse any brand of politics. I tend to stay well clear.

Christ was only liberal to those educated enough to demonstrate faith in him, To those without education poverty will be a present or future reality. Christ came to educate us. Our duty is to be educated by him, not by politicians, and to educate others in Christ, not left wing socialism.
 
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Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Im sure your adorable doggy will gladly use her tongue of love to lick away the demons, and help remind you of the sweet, caring guy who has a world of love and no need of demons.:)
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
You misunderstand Christ's message. He said "the poor you will always have with you." Matthew 26:11. Poverty is associated with lack of education, and with a lack of morality, although sometimes due to illness. Today the poor are taken care of by political policies: social security, and by conventions: i.e. by the philanthropy of the rich, even "tipping" (especially in the USA), which tops up low wages in the hospitality sector. Politics should be about both wealth generation and morality. Wealth generation is a part of morality. Socialism has proven over and again it is interested in neither, but in power for power's sake.

"Rule by the poor" or major asset transfer between rich and poor under political communism was never part of Christ's message, although he preached that wealth was a snare for the rich and that people should be generous with their wealth, if they have it.

Personally I don't espouse any brand of politics. I tend to stay well clear.

Christ was only liberal to those educated enough to demonstrate faith in him, To those without education poverty will be a present or future reality. Christ came to educate us. Our duty is to be educated by him, not by politicians, and to educate others in Christ, not left wing socialism.

Are you honestly trying to claim with a strait face that the poor are poor because they're immoral, and that the rich are rich because they're moral? Do you expect anyone who has actually experienced and observed the real world to shallow your swill? As for education, shouldn't we try to educate those who are in of need it? Of course, by "education" you probably meant religious indoctrination rather than true knowledge and understanding. Also, you can't claim not to espouse any brand of politics immediately after doing just that. Anyway, are you really confident and certain that god will abide your creative "interpretation" of Jesus' word and works?

I'll pray for you. Perhaps you should, too. :praying:
 

eik

Active Member
Are you honestly trying to claim with a strait face that the poor are poor because they're immoral, and that the rich are rich because they're moral? Do you expect anyone who has actually experienced and observed the real world to shallow your swill?
Morality is not the only defining factor. It is a combination of morality and education. For the rich who are clever enough to evade the financial pitfalls of immorality, I agree that they are seen to remain rich. But there are many people who would have been rich or continued to be rich, but for their immorality.

And there are many poor who are poor, just because they elect to continue to commit petty or serious crimes. Thus where I live I know a bunch of crooks whose entire lives have been devoted to criminality. Now they live in social housing. They are poor basically because they chose a life of crime. Yet there are other (former) crooks who are clever enough to escape poverty because they have education.

As for education, shouldn't we try to educate those who are in of need it? Of course, by "education" you probably meant religious indoctrination rather than true knowledge and understanding.
No I mean all forms of education, but pure religion aims to teach true knowledge and understanding.

Also, you can't claim not to espouse any brand of politics immediately after doing just that. Anyway, are you really confident and certain that god will abide your creative "interpretation" of Jesus' word and works?

I'll pray for you. Perhaps you should, too. :praying:
I don't want your prayers. Christians have been educating the world since time immemorial. Don't forget it was Christians who saved Christian Europe from the Mongol bloodbath in the 13th century by infiltrating / educating the Mongol hierarchy and directing the Mongol lust for conquest against the pagans. But you wouldn't know anything about that would you, because you're a pagan yourself.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Morality is not the only defining factor. It is a combination of morality and education. For the rich who are clever enough to evade the financial pitfalls of immorality, I agree that they are seen to remain rich. But there are many people who would have been rich or continued to be rich, but for their immorality.
So you consider those like Trump and his good buddy Epstein to have been good examples of moral character? You consider people like Bernie Madoff, Pablo Escabar, Micheal Vick, Martin Shkreli, John Mcafee, Larry Flint, The Koch Brothers to be moral models? Can you quote scripture that supports the notion that wealth is a sign of good, moral character?

And there are many poor who are poor, just because they elect to continue to commit petty or serious crimes. Thus where I live I know a bunch of crooks whose entire lives have been devoted to criminality. Now they live in social housing. They are poor basically because they chose a life of crime. Yet there are other (former) crooks who are clever enough to escape poverty because they have education.
Jesus and his followers were poor. What about those born into wealth or poverty, especially where social mobility is difficult or impossible? There are many people near or below the poverty line who are honest, caring, kind, compassionate, generous, etc. It's beyond prejudiced to presume those without wealth are criminal. Only a buffoon would believe that there are no external causes of poverty, such as economic situation and opportunities. What about children who have no power or choice?

No I mean all forms of education, but pure religion aims to teach true knowledge and understanding.
Best of luck on your search; you'll need it.

I don't want your prayers.
I think you do. Your theology makes Jesus want to puke, so get on your knees and ask for forgiveness.

Christians have been educating the world since time immemorial. Don't forget it was Christians who saved Christian Europe from the Mongol bloodbath in the 13th century by infiltrating / educating the Mongol hierarchy and directing the Mongol lust for conquest against the pagans. But you wouldn't know anything about that would you, because you're a pagan yourself.
The mongols had a code of honor and were relatively progressive for the time period, especially compared to the Christians of that era. Had he taken over Europe, perhaps we would've avoided the dark ages that set back Europe's development centuries.
 

eik

Active Member
So you consider those like Trump and his good buddy Epstein to have been good examples of moral character? You consider people like Bernie Madoff, Pablo Escabar, Micheal Vick, Martin Shkreli, John Mcafee, Larry Flint, The Koch Brothers to be moral models? Can you quote scripture that supports the notion that wealth is a sign of good, moral character?
Many of those ended up poor due to immorality. Trump: I have no knowledge of his business affairs.

No I can't quote any scripture that shows that wealth is a sign of moral character. My argument was not that the rich are role models (they may be crooks) but that good government should promote wealth generation, and that poverty is often associated with immorality, as well as other factors, especially such as a lack of education.

Jesus and his followers were poor. What about those born into wealth or poverty, especially where social mobility is difficult or impossible? There are many people near or below the poverty line who are honest, caring, kind, compassionate, generous, etc. It's beyond prejudiced to presume those without wealth are criminal.
I said poverty was also due to lack of education or to ill health. Lack of educational opportunities is implied.

Only a buffoon would believe that there are no external causes of poverty, such as economic situation and opportunities. What about children who have no power or choice?
I have already addressed that point. My primary point was that poverty is directly linked with lack of education, which "liberation theology" does not often address, but in fact takes advantage of.

Your theology makes Jesus want to puke, so get on your knees and ask for forgiveness.
If you didn't put so much effort into misrepresenting people, you might be worth corresponding with, Mr. Heathen. I'll credit you with living up to your name.

The mongols had a code of honor and were relatively progressive for the time period, especially compared to the Christians of that era. Had he taken over Europe, perhaps we would've avoided the dark ages that set back Europe's development centuries.
The mongols got all their englightenment from the countries they conquered, much like Islam. There really wasn't anything about the mongols themselves that justified their empire except the military strength of their fighting machine, and their moral code which I could agree was in some cases superior to the effeminacy of the nations they conquered.
 

Father Heathen

Veteran Member
Many of those ended up poor due to immorality. Trump: I have no knowledge of his business affairs.

No I can't quote any scripture that shows that wealth is a sign of moral character. My argument was not that the rich are role models (they may be crooks) but that good government should promote wealth generation, and that poverty is often associated with immorality, as well as other factors, especially such as a lack of education.


I said poverty was also due to lack of education or to ill health. Lack of educational opportunities is implied.


I have already addressed that point. My primary point was that poverty is directly linked with lack of education, which "liberation theology" does not often address, but in fact takes advantage of.


If you didn't put so much effort into misrepresenting people, you might be worth corresponding with, Mr. Heathen. I'll credit you with living up to your name.


The mongols got all their englightenment from the countries they conquered, much like Islam. There really wasn't anything about the mongols themselves that justified their empire except the military strength of their fighting machine, and their moral code which I could agree was in some cases superior to the effeminacy of the nations they conquered.
I'm going to assume that you're either still a kid or live in a very isolated area you've yet to venture out of. Your rich = good, poor = Bad is not only an oversimplication it's strait up wrong. This would become immediately apparent if you met or observed people from all economic classes. Poverty and lack of education can lead some to criminal behavior, but not the other way around as you've implied. There also many rich people who are dishonest, underhanded, etc. There poor people who are saints compared to me or you, and yes some who are total scumbags. The same can be said of t he wealthy; some are generous humanitarians, others are conniving cons. Life and society is far more complicated and complex than you make it out to be, and your worldview contributes to the problem, and yes, it does indeed conflict with the word and works of Jesus.
 
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