Massive star two and a half MILLION times as bright as sun...vanishes

dad said:

Evidence is something real that is divested of beliefs you wish to include as a package deal in what evidence is.

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That rules out the bible as evidence, then, it being in large part a book promoting two particular sets of supernatural beliefs, one Hebrew, and the other Hebrew and Greek.

Whereas the evidence from which the age of the universe, the stars, the earth, and the history of evolution are derived is simply facts and accumulations of facts, none of them a secret.

I suspect your approach of "I don't want to know" and "I don't want that to be true" is failing to protect you against them, since you find it necessary to keep starting these threads, which you intend to be mocking attacks on science.

dad said:

Don't worry about other people's beliefs. So called science is so far gone that they don't even know what evidence is.

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Classic projection.

blü 2 said:

That rules out the bible as evidence, then, it being in large part a book promoting two particular sets of supernatural beliefs, one Hebrew, and the other Hebrew and Greek.

Whereas the evidence from which the age of the universe, the stars, the earth, and the history of evolution are derived is simply facts and accumulations of facts, none of them a secret.

I suspect your approach of "I don't want to know" and "I don't want that to be true" is failing to protect you against them, since you find it necessary to keep starting these threads, which you intend to be mocking attacks on science.

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The ages and origins preached by false science are entirely faith based. Your opinion on God and His word is not really needed.

Tiberius said:

Classic projection.

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Too late for games, your idea of evidence is shown to be religion/beliefs.

dad said:

The ages and origins preached by false science are entirely faith based.

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You haven't offered any evidence at any point to show that any claim by science is false.

You haven't stated at any point what 'faith' you're referring to, giving the strong impression that you're just attempting a generic slur.

And maybe your trying for generic slurs against views that you find inconvenient by associating them with 'faith' is like taking careful aim at your own foot and pulling the trigger.

ecco said:

Yet, when scientists learn new information that changes their concepts of the universe, you criticize them.

That is very hypocritical. It's even worse because you've read the same words in the same book and changed your mind.

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dad said:

Having new light shed on Scripture is not changing it. It is understanding bit more. Creation never changed. Salvation never changed.

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Shedding new light on the workings of the universe is not changing the universe. It is understanding it a bit more.

It's really telling that you must continue your hypocrisy.

dad said:

That is nothing like the ever failing stream of fables from science.

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I have no desire to teach you about science. Others have tried and it is clear that that is an impossibility.

However, I can try to teach you about one simple word in the hopes that you learn to stop misusing it.

• You will note that it is the Bible that is a series of short stories.
• You will note that it is the Bible stories that often concern animals: Snakes, spotted goats, giraffes, and elephants on the ark, Etc.
• You will note that it is the Bible stories that often try to present a moral: Not casting a stone, Etc.

None of these things apply to science. Clearly, "failing stream(s) of fables" come from the Bible, not from science.

ecco said:

Shedding new light on the workings of the universe is not changing the universe. It is understanding it a bit more.

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Using beliefs to explain the working of creation is not understanding, it is an exercise in religion.

I have no desire to teach you about science

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Your job here is to post science and evidence. In failing to do so what we are taught is that you have empty words.

However, I can try to teach you about one simple word in the hopes that you learn to stop misusing it.

fa·ble
/ˈfābəl/

noun
a short story, typically with animals as characters, conveying a moral.​

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The moral of the story in origin sciences is that there is no no God.

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• You will note that it is the Bible that is a series of short stories.

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No. Prophesy is a major part of Scripture, and history.

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• You will note that it is the Bible stories that often concern animals: Snakes, spotted goats, giraffes, and elephants on the ark, Etc.

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  They are part of life and creation. You will note that the BB and first lifeform fables include imaginary lifeforms and incidents!

• You will note that it is the Bible stories that often try to present a moral: Not casting a stone, Etc.

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Good and evil are something we need to know about.

dad said:

The ages and origins preached by false science are entirely faith based. Your opinion on God and His word is not really needed.

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I love it how you act as though being faith based is a bad thing when faith is all you have.

dad said:

Too late for games, your idea of evidence is shown to be religion/beliefs.

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Nah, you haven't shown anything. You don't even understand what evidence is.

Tiberius said:

I love it how you act as though being faith based is a bad thing when faith is all you have.



Nah, you haven't shown anything. You don't even understand what evidence is.

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Offer more than dark beliefs as evidence. Period.

dad said:

Offer more than dark beliefs as evidence. Period.

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All you have is empty posturing. Let me know when you have something of substance.

A Vestigial Mote said:

Funny how you seem to think this a point in your favor. You can't explain it, can't describe it, can't produce any evidence or demonstration of the workings behind it, can't attribute any sort of idea to it at all as to how it happened, and yet you expect people to believe it. And you expect the fact that you can't shed any light on it AT ALL to protect the idea from scrutiny. Do you even listen to yourself?

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Apparently dad speak, but he doesn’t listen to what he is saying.

Dad has quite a talent at ignoring his own hypocrisy.

Tiberius said:

All you have is empty posturing. Let me know when you have something of substance.

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Try posting intelligent stuff rather than venom.

The Hammer said:

That's the nature of science. It appears to me that you seem to have an issue with uncertainties perhaps?

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No, not issues with uncertainties. Just daddy issues. Dad just leave specific traces scientists can identify as having daddy issues.

Let's keep this from being negatively personal, folks.
We don't want knuckles rapped.

dad said:

Using beliefs to explain the working of creation is not understanding, it is an exercise in religion.

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Yet that is exactly what you do. When the Bible doesn't/can't explain, you make up stories like Austrailia zipping across the Pacific to its present location.

dad said:

Your job here is to post science and evidence. In failing to do so what we are taught is that you have empty words.

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People have posted evidence to you for as long as I've been on this forum. You just say: "it ain't so" and walk away. I won't bother to waste my time that way.

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The moral of the story in origin sciences is that there is no no God.

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That's just another one of your untrue comments. If you want to say science explains origins without the need to invoke the doings of a magical man in the sky, then you would be making a truthful statement.

dad said:

"
noun
a short tale to teach a moral lesson, often with animals or inanimate objects as characters;
a story not founded on fact: .
a story about supernatural or extraordinary persons or incidents; legend:"
Definition of fable | Dictionary.com
Origin science stories fulfill the definition bolded above.

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How does science use short tales? Have you ever read a scientific treatise?
If you believe science tries to teach morals with animals, give some specific examples. I gave some regarding your fairy tale myths: goats' spots dependent on the wood in a fence. Your turn.

Gods are supernatural entities. Planets are natural entities. A god impregnating a virgin with 1/3 of himself is clearly the stuff of fantasy, superstition, and supernaturalism.

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No. Prophesy is a major part of Scripture, and history.

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Yet, when asked, repeatedly, to provide one indisputable example of a fulfilled prophecy, you could not do so. The best you could come up with were stories of very dubious authenticity and generalizations that make Nostradamus look good.

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They are part of life and creation. You will note that the BB and first lifeform fables include imaginary lifeforms and incidents!

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What imaginary lifeforms. None of the incidents describing BB or first lifeforms are as nonsensical as a continent the size of Australia zipping across the Pacific. None of the incidents describing BB or first lifeforms are as nonsensical as the entire world being flooded without leaving a single trace.

dad said:

Good and evil are something we need to know about.

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Indeed we do. On the one hand, we have tens of thousands of years of human behavior to look at. From this, we learn that slavery is bad. From this, we learn that giving the young virgin daughters of vanquished soldiers to the victorious soldiers is a war crime and a crime against humanity. The Bible supports both these despicable actions. Your copout is that things were different back then.

As I read things, the term, "unnova" is somewhat despised.
But it's been theorized to be possible.
Perhaps this is one...although I thought they were the fate
of red giants....not blue stars.
Interesting....they can't be rotating, otherwise the accretion
disk (which generates high heat) would give off light.

Disclaimer:
I hear ***t, but I don't know s***.

night912 said:

No, not issues with uncertainties. Just daddy issues. Dad just leave specific traces scientists can identify as having daddy issues.

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Perhaps you could get adult supervision with forming sentences here?

gnostic said:

All that applied to the Bible.

The story of Eden with talking serpent. Fable.

The story of Balaam with talking donkey. Fable.

The story of Noah leading animals to the ark, the realising of birds to find land. Fable.

The story of Jonah being swallowed by large fish for days. Fable.

The story of raven bringing food to Elijah during a famine. Fable.

The story of Elijah being carried to heaven by flying fiery chariot and flying fiery horses. Another fable.

The so-called vision of 4 angels, each has 4 wings, a head with four faces, that of man, lion, ox and eagle. More fable.

Jesus feed thousands with few fishes and loaves of bread. Fable.

Jesus telling Peter where to fish, and catching more than small boat can haul. Fable.

Jesus exorcising 2 demon that possessed a pigs that drown in the lake. More fable.

The Revelation have a numbers of animals, including a dragon (with 7 heads wearing 7 crowns, and having horns) and the Two Beasts that don’t exist, horses ridden by the 4 horsemen, the locusts that look like horses, etc. Lots of fables.

Angels and demons are supernatural beings, hence by the definition you quoted from dictionary.com, then all references to angels, demons and spirits are all fables.

You really are hypocrite, dad, when you ignored the animals in the Bible, that exhibit supernatural attributes and unnatural behavior, which are all clearly fables.

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You are a false accuser. The things I cited apply to science.

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People have posted evidence to you for as long as I've been on this forum.

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Yet you cannot link to or cite one specific example?

How does science use short tales? Have you ever read a scientific treatise?
If you believe science tries to teach morals with animals, give some specific examples. I gave some regarding your fairy tale myths: goats' spots dependent on the wood in a fence. Your turn.

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"Fable
a short tale to teach a moral lesson, often with animals or inanimate objects as characters;

a story not founded on fact:

a story about supernatural or extraordinary persons or incidents;

The BB and first lifeform are extraordinary incidents that are not founded on facts.

Gods are supernatural entities.

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I find nothing extraordinary about living beings that have been part of life always on earth here and that have been almost universally acknowledged. The problem is that some people want to restrict what is ordinary and real to certain aspects of reality only.

Yet, when asked, repeatedly, to provide one indisputable example of a fulfilled prophecy, you could not do so.

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? Try to debate honestly. I cited many. Two for example are the captivity in Babylon, and the destruction of the temple Jesus foretold.

What imaginary lifeforms. None of the incidents describing BB or first lifeforms are as
nonsensical as

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Your invented incidents may not be nonsensical you you, a believer. They sure are to me.

a continent the size of Australia zipping across the Pacific.

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We know continents moved. That is not an issue. The speed is the issue and that all depends on the nature that existed.

None of the incidents describing BB or first lifeforms are as nonsensical as the entire world being flooded without leaving a single trace.

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You cannot find a trace of spirits, and when you look for a flood you cannot find evidence either. All evidences that do exist you try to fir into your belief set. That leaves you unable to come to a knowledge of the truth. Literally.

Indeed we do. On the one hand, we have tens of thousands of years of human behavior to look at.

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You have false belief based dates to think you are looking at.

From this, we learn that slavery is bad.

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You do not even know what slavery is. Nor do you accept the way to be free.

From this, we learn that giving the young virgin daughters of vanquished soldiers to the victorious soldiers is a war crime and a crime against humanity. The Bible supports both these despicable actions. Your copout is that things were different back then.

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Chapter and verse?

dad said:

Try posting intelligent stuff rather than venom.

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Try posting intelligent stuff.