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Egypt's "Me Too" Moment: The War for and Against Women's Rights

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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In the last two weeks, Egyptian media have been in a state of turmoil and controversy after Ahmed Bassam Zaki, an accused serial rapist and sexual predator, was exposed by multiple victims on social media. He has been accused of over 100 incidents of rape and sexual harassment.

CAIRO – 4 July 2020: Ahmed Bassam Zaki, a man accused of raping, sexually assaulting, threatening and harassing more than 100 woman got detained by the local police authority for investigation on Saturday.

The country’s top prosecution released a statement saying that its monitoring unit is taking all measures to consider and inspect what has been circulating on social media regarding accusations against a young man over forcing a number of girls to engage in sexual practice against their will.

Source: Police arrest Ahmed Bassam Zaki over 100 rape, harrasment accusations

He has since been detained by Egyptian authorities and confessed to blackmail and intimidation. His victims reportedly also included at least one minor.

Despite the flagrancy of Bassam Zaki's case, many people, including prominent imam and preacher Abdullah Rushdy, still insist that women's clothing is "one of the reasons" for rape and sexual harassment. While Rushdy has come under fire for his statements, he still has tens of thousands of supporters who echo his views.

This is by far the most controversial and largest-scale rape and sexual harassment case in Egypt in recent years. It is clearly the Me Too moment of Egyptian society, but this wave for women's rights is also expectedly facing a lot of pushback both from many proponents of traditional thought and staunch supporters of patriarchal, male-oriented religious tradition.

It is worth noting that Al-Azhar has issued its magazine for this month with a cover encouraging women to speak out against sexual harassment and rape and asserting that clothing is "never a justification for the crime." Furthermore, Egypt's primary authority on fatwas, Dar al-Ifta', has issued similar statements in a move that signifies a strong change of direction from traditional sexist thinking on this issue.

There is a bona fide war both for and against women's rights in Egypt, but some of the changes that have occurred so far have been hopeful signs of progress. The pushback is not going away anytime soon, but in a country whose capital was named "the world's most dangerous megacity for women" less than three years ago, the current fight for women's rights is as essential as it is both difficult and a sign of changing times.
 

Rational Agnostic

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In the last two weeks, Egyptian media have been in a state of turmoil and controversy after Ahmed Bassam Zaki, an accused serial rapist and sexual predator, was exposed by multiple victims on social media. He has been accused of over 100 incidents of rape and sexual harassment.



Source: Police arrest Ahmed Bassam Zaki over 100 rape, harrasment accusations

He has since been detained by Egyptian authorities and confessed to blackmail and intimidation. His victims reportedly also included at least one minor.

Despite the flagrancy of Bassam Zaki's case, many people, including prominent imam and preacher Abdullah Rushdy, still insist that women's clothing is "one of the reasons" for rape and sexual harassment. While Rushdy has come under fire for his statements, he still has tens of thousands of supporters who echo his views.

This is by far the most controversial and largest-scale rape and sexual harassment case in Egypt in recent years. It is clearly the Me Too moment of Egyptian society, but this wave for women's rights is also expectedly facing a lot of pushback both from many proponents of traditional thought and staunch supporters of patriarchal, male-oriented religious tradition.

It is worth noting that Al-Azhar has issued its magazine for this month with a cover encouraging women to speak out against sexual harassment and rape and asserting that clothing is "never a justification for the crime." Furthermore, Egypt's primary authority on fatwas, Dar al-Ifta', has issued similar statements in a move that signifies a strong change of direction from traditional sexist thinking on this issue.

There is a bona fide war both for and against women's rights in Egypt, but some of the changes that have occurred so far have been hopeful signs of progress. The pushback is not going away anytime soon, but in a country whose capital was named "the world's most dangerous megacity for women" less than three years ago, the current fight for women's rights is as essential as it is both difficult and a sign of changing times.

It's about time for a MeToo movement in the Muslim world. Maybe the abusive Muslim men will finally get the punishments they deserve.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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It's about time for a MeToo movement in the Muslim world. Maybe the abusive Muslim men will finally get the punishments they deserve.

Misogyny and abuse of women in Egypt extend across all religious groups, from Muslims and liberal Muslims to Christians and even some atheists.

Less than two years ago, Ahmed Harkan, at the time a "progressive" ex-Muslim, was accused of being verbally abusive toward his wife and hitting her. Displays of misogyny and sexism are an overarching cultural issue in Egypt that largely transcends religious and socioeconomic boundaries.

Edit: She was his wife, not girlfriend. My mind zoned out there.
 
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Rational Agnostic

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Misogyny and abuse of women in Egypt extend across all religious groups, from Muslims and liberal Muslims to Christians and even some atheists.

Less than two years ago, Ahmed Harkan, at the time a "progressive" ex-Muslim, was accused of being verbally abusive toward his girlfriend and hitting her. Displays of misogyny and sexism are an overarching cultural issue in Egypt that largely transcends religious and socioeconomic boundaries.

I'm sure it does extend across all groups. But I blame Islam for creating a toxic misogynistic culture. Islam is the most misogynistic religion in the world. The Quran even says that most people in hell are women. What a pathetic, horrible teaching.
 

Nakosis

Non-Binary Physicalist
Premium Member
In the last two weeks, Egyptian media have been in a state of turmoil and controversy after Ahmed Bassam Zaki, an accused serial rapist and sexual predator, was exposed by multiple victims on social media. He has been accused of over 100 incidents of rape and sexual harassment.



Source: Police arrest Ahmed Bassam Zaki over 100 rape, harrasment accusations

He has since been detained by Egyptian authorities and confessed to blackmail and intimidation. His victims reportedly also included at least one minor.

Despite the flagrancy of Bassam Zaki's case, many people, including prominent imam and preacher Abdullah Rushdy, still insist that women's clothing is "one of the reasons" for rape and sexual harassment. While Rushdy has come under fire for his statements, he still has tens of thousands of supporters who echo his views.

This is by far the most controversial and largest-scale rape and sexual harassment case in Egypt in recent years. It is clearly the Me Too moment of Egyptian society, but this wave for women's rights is also expectedly facing a lot of pushback both from many proponents of traditional thought and staunch supporters of patriarchal, male-oriented religious tradition.

It is worth noting that Al-Azhar has issued its magazine for this month with a cover encouraging women to speak out against sexual harassment and rape and asserting that clothing is "never a justification for the crime." Furthermore, Egypt's primary authority on fatwas, Dar al-Ifta', has issued similar statements in a move that signifies a strong change of direction from traditional sexist thinking on this issue.

There is a bona fide war both for and against women's rights in Egypt, but some of the changes that have occurred so far have been hopeful signs of progress. The pushback is not going away anytime soon, but in a country whose capital was named "the world's most dangerous megacity for women" less than three years ago, the current fight for women's rights is as essential as it is both difficult and a sign of changing times.

Kind of weird that one could be a rapist and still see themselves as a Muslim or a Christian. How does someone's mind manage to perform those mental gymnastics?
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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I'm sure it does extend across all groups. But I blame Islam for creating a toxic misogynistic culture. Islam is the most misogynistic religion in the world. The Quran even says that most people in hell are women. What a pathetic, horrible teaching.

The Qur'an doesn't say that; what you are referring to is a hadith.

And I would rather not have this thread turned into some puerile anti-religious bashing fest instead of staying focused on women's rights in Egypt. You can go start another thread for your overgeneralized and simplistic statements.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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I'm sure it does extend across all groups. But I blame Islam for creating a toxic misogynistic culture. Islam is the most misogynistic religion in the world. The Quran even says that most people in hell are women. What a pathetic, horrible teaching.
I see the same toxic misogynistic culture in America, to be honest. Perhaps to a lesser degree, all in all. It’s just they have a stronger divide (at least in principle) between state and Church. Granted I kind of agree with you, but I blame the power granted to religion more than the religion by itself.
(Obviously no one religion is a hive mind. So neither necessarily reflects all adherents. Disclaimer!!)
Hell this doesn’t even reflect religious conviction necessarily. I recall there being similar concerns for the treatment of women in some New Atheist movements. Very toxic misogynistic sentiments being side eyed by critics. Though how much of that is a sort of “hangover” of religious sentiment is a discussion in an of itself.

This is not an attempt at whataboutism. I think there is a valid discussion to be had surrounding the culture of Islam. Various critiques and even similarities to other patriarchal led institutions. I’m just trying my best to be fair.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
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I see the same toxic misogynistic culture in America, to be honest. Perhaps to a lesser degree, all in all.

Absolutely to a lesser degree. In Egypt, most women experience sexual harassment on a nearly daily basis when they walk on the street. The social, legal, and cultural frameworks all play a part in enabling this.

Women can almost never wear shorts on an Egyptian street without being frequently stared at and harassed except for very limited areas and neighborhoods, and that's only the tip of the iceberg.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
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I wonder....

If an Egyptian man is out in the street -- his manly beard on display, handsome, tanned visage visable for all to see, maybe wearing pants a little too tight for proper decorum -- and a homosexual man, larger and strong than he is, is intoxicated by this vision of manly beauty and rapes him for no other reason than that he can't control his own lust in such a provocation ------ would that be okay?

I think the case is closed. If a man can't control himself, the problem is his, not anybody else's. Egyptian, Muslim, Christian, atheist, gay, straight or whatever. If your lust overwhelms you, and the object of your lust isn't interested, go home and take care of your little problem yourself!
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I'm sure it does extend across all groups. But I blame Islam for creating a toxic misogynistic culture. Islam is the most misogynistic religion in the world. The Quran even says that most people in hell are women. What a pathetic, horrible teaching.
Have you read what the other Abrahamic religions teach about women?
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
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Misogyny and abuse of women in Egypt extend across all religious groups, from Muslims and liberal Muslims to Christians and even some atheists.

That's a very important statement about the cultural nature of the problem.

I hope what I'm seeing just about every day in the US spreads. Specifically I can find almost every day someone says or does something racist, sexist, crazy etc and the story often includes an arrest, a firing or some other kind of immediate consequences.

Having this sink in is of course a slow process but I'm encouraged that what used to be ignored is not being ignored and further a salutary lesson administered.
 

SomeRandom

Still learning to be wise
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Absolutely to a lesser degree. In Egypt, most women experience sexual harassment on a nearly daily basis when they walk on the street. The social, legal, and cultural frameworks all play a part in enabling this.

Women can almost never wear shorts on an Egyptian street without being frequently stared at and harassed except for very limited areas and neighborhoods, and that's only the tip of the iceberg.
Yikes!
 

Tambourine

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I wonder....

If an Egyptian man is out in the street -- his manly beard on display, handsome, tanned visage visable for all to see, maybe wearing pants a little too tight for proper decorum -- and a homosexual man, larger and strong than he is, is intoxicated by this vision of manly beauty and rapes him for no other reason than that he can't control his own lust in such a provocation ------ would that be okay?

I think the case is closed. If a man can't control himself, the problem is his, not anybody else's. Egyptian, Muslim, Christian, atheist, gay, straight or whatever. If your lust overwhelms you, and the object of your lust isn't interested, go home and take care of your little problem yourself!
Sexual harassment is an expression of power, not simply of lust.
 

SomeRandom

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Sexual harassment is an expression of power, not simply of lust.
Is this an extension of “rape is a crime of power, not sex?”
Harassment is a very ugly thing. That it can and often is weaponised is troubling.
This is a symptom of “toxic masculinity” correct?
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Sexual harassment is an expression of power, not simply of lust.
In the Abrahamics women are blamed for stiring lustful thoughts in men, so the women have to cover up quite by instruction per the Bible and Quran (Amish or Hijaab is about where the standard is). And if a woman gets raped, it is her fault for stiring lustful desires in men.
 

Tambourine

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I wouldn't say that sex/lust plays no role at all, but I would argue that it isn't the primary component, or even a particularly important motivator, regardless of how rapists justify their crimes after the fact.
 
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