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BLM actions elect TRUMP

Nova2216

Active Member
How about groups that want to improve our American government?
"Kill our brave policemen?" How many people are actually out to do that?
I get the impression you regard the police as heroic guardians of law and order; protectors of the people. What do you make of the recent allegations of misconduct? Founded or unfounded?

But one must be careful not to lump the peaceful idealists trying to make a difference in the world in with the hooligans and thrill seekers attracted to large gatherings. There is more than one "group" involved.

I pointed to the leader of BLM who was on TV threatening to burn down the American system.

He does not seem like a very smart leader to do such a thing on TV.


I would not follow him.



Racism wherever it is found needs to be rooted out and dealt with appropriately.
 

Nova2216

Active Member
It is particularly pernicious when it exists in a religious context. I'm sure you have read of all the times Jesus attacked the religious self-righteous in scripture. The reason it is so pernicious, is because it hides human ugliness behind a garb of righteousness, behind the name of God. It becomes apparent that these are the 'wolves in sheep's clothing' that Jesus pointed to, as well as those who claimed his name, only to be told, "I never knew you."

Be careful what you hear behind the mask of their words.


So you are saying that every Christian should think and believe exactly the same things in exactly the same ways without any differences in understandings, or practices? And that for them to not believe as you do, that is what makes them hypocritical?

Are you familiar with the entire 14th chapter of the book of Romans?


That is actually not true at all. You can see it even within Paul's writing at the time. People believed differently from each other back then, and there was no single one unifying belief, other than in Jesus as the Messiah. Paul had an argument with James and Peter over beliefs. It's in scripture, in Paul's own writings. Luke records it as well in Acts.

But beyond even that internal evidence, the discovery of early Christian texts has very clearly shown there never was a single theology in early Christianity. There were many competing views, and the one that became "orthodoxy" was just one of the many competing sects. There is a great deal of information available about this.


Yes. But unity of what? Ideas? Opinions? Beliefs? The entire 14th chapter of Romans has Paul explaining how different Christians believe different ways, and not to let that be our focus, but on Love. That is what he means about unity. We are united, in our differences through the Love of God. Right?

Something that may help you. Understand there is a difference between unity, and uniformity. Uniformity is sameness. Everything is the the same color. Unity on the other hand is about bringing all the disparate parts together, like a jigsaw puzzle. And once the pieces unite, a single image does appear, and that is the image of Love.

You mistake holding common beliefs as the same as genuine love.


Those who claim to be Christians, but spewing hateful rhetoric and division. Them.


Windwalker - So you are saying that every Christian should think and believe exactly the same things in exactly the same ways without any differences in understandings, or practices? And that for them to not believe as you do, that is what makes them hypocritical?

Are you familiar with the entire 14th chapter of the book of Romans?


Nova - I did not say it, Jesus did.

(Jn 15:14) - If ye love me, keep my commandments.

(Rom,14) is dealing with the opinions of men.





Windwalker - Yes. But unity of what? Ideas? Opinions? Beliefs?


Nova - Unity on the commandments of the Lord.

(Jn 15:21) - He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me:

(1Peter 4:11) Speak as the oracles of God.

(1Cor.14:37) The things I speak are the commandments of the Lord

(1Cor.4:6) do not go beyond what is written




Windwalker - Christians believe different ways, and not to let that be our focus, but on Love. That is what he means about unity. We are united, in our differences through the Love of God. Right?


Nova - Sorry, you are wrong according to the scriptures I posted above.

You mean people WHO CLAIM to be Christians believe different ways.





Windwalker -You mistake holding common beliefs as the same as genuine love

God said - He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: (Jn 15:14,21)




Thanks for posting.
 

Nova2216

Active Member
Go out and buy GOYA foods.

It''s a good company which cares about people and does much charity work.

BUY GOYA FOODS!!!

Toby Keith said, he went to the last Presidents party and he also went to Trumps Party.

Mr. Keith said, he was not going to say NO to either one of them out of respect to the office.


Biden called brave Policemen THE ENEMY in an interview.

Did you see that on CNN? (I doubt it)

Fox News showed the interview.

Kat is cute!!!
 

Yazata

Active Member
The Mayhem we see acted out in our streets by BLM (and others) will help elect TRUMP once again.

I think that's probably true. Riots, violence, looting, the attacks on the symbols of our common American identity (the only thing counteracting the centrifugal forces of all our angry differences), the attacks on our country's history and founding traditions, attacks which are implicitly attacks on the very idea of an American people themselves, while catnip to all the alienated adolescent hipsters out there isn't likely to endear Joe Biden to the traditionally democratic white working class voters whose defection won Trump most of the Midwest in 2016 and gave him his victory. Those voters felt under attack then, and they will only feel that they are under even more frantic attack now.

It's ironic in a way. One of the reasons why the DNC and the democratic party establishment favored Joe Biden over Bernie Sanders and the other occupants of the far-left clown-car was that he could run as a moderate and win those disaffected voters back. Biden could play against Trump's obvious defects and come across to voters as the reliable 'grownup in the room'. But the militants immediately challenged that strategy from the streets and Biden stupidly went all in with the radicals, effectively tearing up his 'moderate' credentials.

It couldn't go any better for Trump if it was scripted by his campaign staff. They don't have to try to portray the opposition as crazy and anti-American. The opposition are doing it to themselves every day all over every TV screen as all the left-elites (mass media, intellectuals, celebrities) cheer it on and try to enforce it with cancel-culture, sycophancy and incessant attacks on free-speech. There's no way that Trump could have bought advertising more advantageous to his campaign.

Hillary's "deplorables" remark is perhaps the moment she lost the election. You don't win voters who are considering voting for your opponent by insulting them. (You need to speak to their concerns.) Now look at what's happening to the flag, to George Washington, to Mt. Rushmore. To whatever Middle America identifies with, precisely because Middle America identifies with it.
 
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Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
The attacks on all of the symbols of our common American identity, the attacks on our country's history and traditions, which are implicitly attacks on its people themselves,
Like what? The fake history of the civil war and the fake monuments built to promote that fake history? That's not a common American identity. No one in the North, nor even in the South actually shared that as a common identity. It's a fiction. The myth of the happy black slave and the good Southern owners who fought a just war to preserve the Southern lifestyle (of slave ownership), is attacked because it is fake and it is divisive. It should be attacked, rightly and justly so.

while catnip to all the alienated adolescent hipsters out there isn't likely to endear Joe Biden to the traditionally democratic white working class voters whose defection won Trump most of the Midwest in 2016 and gave him his victory. Those voters felt under attack then, and they will only feel more under frantic attack now.
Under attack for what, exactly? Let's be specific. The one's declaring war on culture are the right-wing conservative Christians, not "hipsters". Attacked for being racist? Yes. They should be attacked for their racism. It's not a common American identity. The only thing traditional about it, is it criminality. A tradition of injustice and human suffering. Those that embrace that as a good, should be criticized, harshly.

But the militants immediately challenged that strategy from the streets and Biden stupidly went all in with the radicals, effectively tearing up his 'moderate' credentials.
What militants? You means the millions of peaceful protesters, all peacefully marching to raise awareness and change the system through process and elections? You mean those "militants" using non-militant means? Perhaps you mean the unruly handful of rioters and their agitators who do not represent the mainstream of legitimate protestors? You mean the tiny percentage is the only thing you pay attention to, not the millions of others?
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Mr. Keith said, he was not going to say NO to either one of them out of respect to the office.
Respect should be earned.
Biden called brave Policemen THE ENEMY in an interview.
"Brave policemen?" What do I care if a policeman is brave? I'd prefer he be ethical and altruistic.

Are police, as a group, any braver than bus drivers or bricklayers? How is bravery a particularly meritorious feature?
In my experience police tend to be officious, authoritarian and often aggressive -- not desirable features in public servants.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
Hillary's "deplorables" remark is perhaps the moment she lost the election.
That, plus taking three states for granted that she ended up losing. However, the one that was the straw that broke Hillary's back, imo, was when Comey announced he was reopening the investigation of her, and from that point on I felt that Trump would likely win.
 

Nova2216

Active Member
I think that's probably true. Riots, violence, looting, the attacks on the symbols of our common American identity (the only thing counteracting the centrifugal forces of all our angry differences), the attacks on our country's history and founding traditions, attacks which are implicitly attacks on the very idea of an American people themselves, while catnip to all the alienated adolescent hipsters out there isn't likely to endear Joe Biden to the traditionally democratic white working class voters whose defection won Trump most of the Midwest in 2016 and gave him his victory. Those voters felt under attack then, and they will only feel that they are under even more frantic attack now.

It's ironic in a way. One of the reasons why the DNC and the democratic party establishment favored Joe Biden over Bernie Sanders and the other occupants of the far-left clown-car was that he could run as a moderate and win those disaffected voters back. Biden could play against Trump's obvious defects and come across to voters as the reliable 'grownup in the room'. But the militants immediately challenged that strategy from the streets and Biden stupidly went all in with the radicals, effectively tearing up his 'moderate' credentials.

It couldn't go any better for Trump if it was scripted by his campaign staff. They don't have to try to portray the opposition as crazy and anti-American. The opposition are doing it to themselves every day all over every TV screen as all the left-elites (mass media, intellectuals, celebrities) cheer it on and try to enforce it with cancel-culture, sycophancy and incessant attacks on free-speech. There's no way that Trump could have bought advertising more advantageous to his campaign.

Hillary's "deplorables" remark is perhaps the moment she lost the election. You don't win voters who are considering voting for your opponent by insulting them. (You need to speak to their concerns.) Now look at what's happening to the flag, to George Washington, to Mt. Rushmore. To whatever Middle America identifies with, precisely because Middle America identifies with it.

*Thank You for posting.

You made some very good points.


Where is Puxatawney Biden?
 

Tambourine

Well-Known Member
Clinton actually won the popular vote, she simply didn't have a majority in two states that turned out to be crucial swing states, because in the US it is irrelevant how many people vote for you if they live in the wrong state.
 
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