I think your crazy overstatements show why too.
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Do you agree with AOC that cutting a billion dollars form NYC police is just not enough?
- Thread starter whirlingmerc
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Which ones are "crazy overstatements"? Trump's infamous, predatory "grab them by the *****" was public for everyone to hear, and I can give you multiple examples of racist, sexist, and/or homophobic Republicans.
Or are you denying that these things are a problem within the GOP?
Is "defund the police" crazier than racism, sexism, and homophobia? I think theocratically themed legislation and rhetoric are far crazier and more dangerous, but perhaps we have different criteria.
One shouldn't judge all Democrats by AOC's antics.
Many favor reasonable policing reform.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
No, I don't agree with her. Studies have shown that increasing chances of getting caught is a better deterrent to crime than longer sentencing.
Here in the States, otoh, we have a bit under 5% of the world's population but have roughly 22% of the world's prisoners [ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...tion-and-one-quarter-of-the-worlds-prisoners/].
There are better steps that we could take, but there's too many who prefer the status quo over making tough choices.
Well, not to single her out, compromise doesn't seem to be a consideration for many people these days.
New York City overall has a $9 billion shortfall to make up because of COVID-19 impacts on revenue and expenses. The NYPD is ~6% of the City budget, so their share of COVID-19-related cuts would be about $540 million.
... so the $1 billion cut is actually only about $460 million on top of its share of city-wide belt-tightening.
But where do you think the cuts should come from instead? The Fire Department? Sewers? Roads? Parks?
What made you decide that the NYPD needs this billion dollars more than all the other services that the city provides?
We have voices asking for everything from outright abolishment of the police to protecting their funding and powers at status quo levels.
What's being proposed here is that the NYPD take a bit more than their proportional share of the City's overall budget cut so that other critical city services - like the fire department, subways, sewers, road maintenance, etc. - don't have to take as much of a hit as they would have to otherwise.
That's not exactly a compromise. It doesn't even really address the concerns that the "defund the police" movement wants action on.
A real compromise would address at least some of the concerns being raised by the NYPD's critics.
Cooky
Veteran Member
I think reducing the number of armed police officer's, and increasing the number of unarmed community responders is the correct pathway to peace.
For instance, unarmed responders should be responsible for speeding tickets, just like meter maids. If someone decides to get crazy, their license plate number will be filmed, and warrants can be issued, where they can be arrested by a team specially trained in doing such.
There's no reason to tackle anyone in public anymore. We need to try new things.
For instance, unarmed responders should be responsible for speeding tickets, just like meter maids. If someone decides to get crazy, their license plate number will be filmed, and warrants can be issued, where they can be arrested by a team specially trained in doing such.
There's no reason to tackle anyone in public anymore. We need to try new things.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
That article seems to suggest she wants a smaller police presence. That wont fix anything and is going to work overworked cops (many homicides go unsolved because there are too many and not enough detectives to investigate them).
Keep in mind that defunding the police generally means also reallocating the funds to other agencies in a way that reduces the funding needs of the police.
For instance, there's no real reason why it needs to be the police who hand out parking tickets or run red light camera programs. Transfer these responsibilities - and the associated budget - to the City's traffic department.
Or if a city supports a "housing first" homelessness strategy, then suddenly almost all of the vagrancy, trespassing and "wellness check" calls that police have to do in response to homeless people all disappear... along with the expense the police incur dealing with them. Less funding needs for the police.
And there are some programs - like the liaison officers in high schools - that are more harmful than helpful, so they can be cut without replacing them with anything.
Or, in the case of the NYPD, they could reduce their expenses dramatically just by doing a better job of controlling and disciplining bad cops. Did you know that they spent almost $70 million last year settling legal claims?
Cooky
Veteran Member
How many is many?
averageJOE
zombie
Seven Facts About the NYPD Budget
The NYPD's budget needs to be cut in half. Clearly throwing money at police is not working. "Defund" does not mean "abolish" (although it does to some I will admit).
The NYPD's budget needs to be cut in half. Clearly throwing money at police is not working. "Defund" does not mean "abolish" (although it does to some I will admit).
I agree, she is scary.
Knee-jerk reactions to complex problems are invariably worse than no reaction at all.
On the other hand, I am firmly of the opinion that some thoughtful reorganization of the various services, including police, is probably essential, but this must be carefully thought ought. There are definitely situations in which people trained in social worker, not law enforcement, are going to be much more useful.
I don't see why AOC bothers doing anything about anything. I mean, the world is ending in, like, ten years...
@Revoltingest how's the doomsday clock getting on?
@Revoltingest how's the doomsday clock getting on?
Notanumber
A Free Man
The issue I see with this is that police forces and police unions are going to obstruct a thought-out, orderly reformation of the police.
At some point for many police forces, it's just going to have to come down to cutting the budget and letting things shake out where they will.
A police union who isn't willing to budge on stricter disciplinary standards under normal conditions will probably sing a different tune if the police force comes to them with "there's no money left - if you don't let us fire these bad cops who keep doing stuff that gets us sued, we're laying off some of your members."
Many have.
But the kooks are more newsworthy.