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ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
'Christendom' ( so-called fallen away Christian - Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 ) were the ones of Constantine's age, Not the first century.
Scripture was pointing out that from within the Christian congregation men would rise up and speak twisted things to draw away disciples after themselves.
I find history confirms that well after the first century ended a clergy/laity distinction developed, and by the 350's the clerical ' man of lawlessness ' was manifest in that composite group of the clergy of Christendom ( so-called Christian but mostly in name only ) - 2 Thessalonians 2:2-8
What the ' church ' was recognizing in the 350's was that the 1st century's 66 books were considered as the authoritative Word from God.
Thus, Bible canon was established early on the stage, so the ' church ' did Not establish it but merely testified what was already accepted as the Word of God.
( the apocryphal books simply excluded themselves being out of harmony with the 66 books of Bible canon )

Your evidence please that the bible as used today was not compiled 350 years after events.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Your evidence please that the bible as used today was not compiled 350 years after events.
The Scriptures were completed by John at the end of the 1st century.
The Bible has corresponding cross references which are in harmony with today's 66 Bible books.
The apocryphal books simply exclude themselves because of being out of harmony with the harmonious 66 Bible books.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The Scriptures were completed by John at the end of the 1st century.
The Bible has corresponding cross references which are in harmony with today's 66 Bible books.
The apocryphal books simply exclude themselves because of being out of harmony with the harmonious 66 Bible books.


The oldest known copy of the bible is the 4thC Codex Vaticanus. What was and what was not included in the bible before that is unevidenced
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
The Scriptures were completed by John at the end of the 1st century.
The Bible has corresponding cross references which are in harmony with today's 66 Bible books.
The apocryphal books simply exclude themselves because of being out of harmony with the harmonious 66 Bible books.
Science uses machines to own the harmony, transmitted calculated interactive building self science identified meaning and reasoning to infer balances of radiation changes, it was not any sound technology it was using radiation mass. They knew information to force change, they did not do it to be in harmonic balances with natural did they, otherwise science transformation would not be practiced.

Some of the ideas science owns looking back as science is laughable.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Science uses machines to own the harmony, transmitted calculated interactive building self science identified meaning and reasoning to infer balances of radiation changes, it was not any sound technology it was using radiation mass. They knew information to force change, they did not do it to be in harmonic balances with natural did they, otherwise science transformation would not be practiced.
Some of the ideas science owns looking back as science is laughable.

Science does know CMBR ( cosmic microwave background radiation ) does date the universe with accuracy.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Science does know CMBR ( cosmic microwave background radiation ) does date the universe with accuracy.
But all of your machines are God the Earth mass owned, and re heated to own manifested formed machines. God was never a machine itself.

O the Earth as a body passes through its owned cycle 12 months which you use in science relating to 12 light gas...gas burning to own light. Not gas cooled to live.

For we are not any machine.

You already in science took fusion which could be billions of years old as COLD.....converted its mass...in that space the spatial body irradiated heats its releases and then as you study Earth moves through the spatial changes that science on Earth converting its mass put there.

So it is a cycle of conclusive O self evidence in science/maths O co ordinating its agreement with our destruction to claim and now I know the point of activating/causing it as that study model. Knowledge is circular thinking based on the act of destruction, not existence, for existence as a model is cold and not radiating.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
The oldest known copy of the bible is the 4thC Codex Vaticanus. What was and what was not included in the bible before that is unevidenced
I see the Codex Sinaiticus 4th century, British Museum
Sinaitic Syriac codex 4th-5th century.
Aquila's translation 2nd century, Cambridge, England
Vatican 1209, 4th century
Chester Beatty Papyrus 2, 200 CE
Bodmer Papyrus 2, 200 CE
Pentateuch in Samaritan 4th century, Israel.
Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures by Theodotion 2nd century.
Latin Vulgate by Jerome c. 400 CE

Evidence, so to speak, is the accuracy found in the harmonious corresponding cross-reference verses and passages among the many Bible writers.
Bible subjects and Bible topics are in agreement with one another to the point Jesus could refer to the Scriptures by saying, " it is written...."
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
I see the Codex Sinaiticus 4th century, British Museum
Sinaitic Syriac codex 4th-5th century.
Aquila's translation 2nd century, Cambridge, England
Vatican 1209, 4th century
Chester Beatty Papyrus 2, 200 CE
Bodmer Papyrus 2, 200 CE
Pentateuch in Samaritan 4th century, Israel.
Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures by Theodotion 2nd century.
Latin Vulgate by Jerome c. 400 CE

Evidence, so to speak, is the accuracy found in the harmonious corresponding cross-reference verses and passages among the many Bible writers.
Bible subjects and Bible topics are in agreement with one another to the point Jesus could refer to the Scriptures by saying, " it is written...."
Science who removed God in science back to a non God history HELL in scientific Satanism seem to act today as if God by science has just suddenly re formed being stone again, after your historical radiation fusion conversion by science upon its form.

Why you said 2012 was the END of the TIME of UFO irradiation/gas forced changes upon its stone mass body O.

Why you agreed to never change GOD O the stone fusion ever again.

So if you all still think that stone is returning to its origin in science statements, then your own psyche had been telling you that stone had been reforming its status to just exist as stone and no longer own ground conversion. As being naturally informed first.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
I see the Codex Sinaiticus 4th century, British Museum
Sinaitic Syriac codex 4th-5th century.
Aquila's translation 2nd century, Cambridge, England
Vatican 1209, 4th century
Chester Beatty Papyrus 2, 200 CE
Bodmer Papyrus 2, 200 CE
Pentateuch in Samaritan 4th century, Israel.
Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures by Theodotion 2nd century.
Latin Vulgate by Jerome c. 400 CE

Evidence, so to speak, is the accuracy found in the harmonious corresponding cross-reference verses and passages among the many Bible writers.
Bible subjects and Bible topics are in agreement with one another to the point Jesus could refer to the Scriptures by saying, " it is written...."


Mostly produced after Constantine with the exception of fragments which were included in the compilation.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Science who removed God in science back to a non God history HELL in scientific Satanism seem to act today as if God by science has just suddenly re formed being stone again, after your historical radiation fusion conversion by science upon its form.
Why you said 2012 was the END of the TIME of UFO irradiation/gas forced changes upon its stone mass body O.
Why you agreed to never change GOD O the stone fusion ever again.
So if you all still think that stone is returning to its origin in science statements, then your own psyche had been telling you that stone had been reforming its status to just exist as stone and no longer own ground conversion. As being naturally informed first.

I don't know to whom you are responding about the year 2012 .... UFO etc. it was Not me.
There is No year date in Scripture, even Jesus said he did Not know the exact time, only his Father knew.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Mostly produced after Constantine with the exception of fragments which were included in the compilation.
The ' church ' of Constantine's time simply recognized the books of the Bible as the authoritative Word form God.
So, Bible canon was already established before Constantine, and the ' church ' merely testified to what was already accepted.
Nothing is going to change that the ancient manuscripts support Bible canon.
And that the apocryphal books simply exclude themselves because of being out of harmony with the established '66' books of the Bible.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
https://www.ileifa.org/year-2012-is-it-the-end-of-time
According to the culture of ancient Maya, part of what scholars call Mesoamerica, astronomy predicts some major cosmic developments for December 21, 2012, in

In Bible teachings it quotes that newly born baby human life and animal life is returned every year due to December month of ICE, win ter he said. The win of life is the presence of ICE....statement in biological Genesis, life got reincarnated and returned as a Holy baby life.

As a story theme, reasoning why.
(Matthew 24:3; King James Version) The Bible calls this time period “the last days” and the “time of the end,” or “end times.” (2 Timothy 3:1; Daniel 8:19; Easy-to-Read Version) The following are some outstanding features of last-days, or end-times, prophecies: War on a large scale.� — Matthew 24:7; Revelation 6:4.
End Times” Prophecy—Sign of the Last Days
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www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/end-times-


The Bible was preached relative since the Year time equated to be 0
BC 0 AD.

Yet everyone knows that time is relative not suddenly to a human claiming now I will state position 0 and begin counting. Not actually relative to Time as a history as life on Earth....for it could be billions or just millions, no one really knows, of forms existing on our planet.

Why it was stated to be relative to a teaching purpose about our human Genetic survival....which is a medical statement, and not a nuclear statement.

https://faithinthenews.com/6-signs-of-the-last-days/

If humans own predictable behaviour, and then own maths/probability causes and maths is expressed by a conscious living human, only owning a human life 100 years, then any teaching about relative conscious behaviour, which is medical knowledge would involve conscious awareness also.

To state and practicable behaviour of a human is involved in all reasoning of making choices in the science predictability against self.

And it was taught self aware knowlege...then it proves it was.

I did not believe in Jesus as a theme of a holy story. I however came to know more and more about the reference Jesus, as a human healer, due to my own life suffering endometriosis (ovarian) or ovah pain...and then seeing multi visions in dreams about human life and loss of it and suffering. Which motivated me to apply research about a thesis on Jesus.

The human behaviour pattern, how our brain feed back messaging imposes its reality is the pattern that science seems to keep quoting about a pattern relating to our zero out into nothing, change to the body of God the stone mass.

As a human I came to understand that groups, multi of us, all own forms of messaging that when shared as a community equals an answer that is being quoted as a human realisation about occult UFO and nuclear science practices on Earth.

New science answers are not what they claim, conscious awareness is claiming as if a machine is a new answer. Instead the answers that science is gaining already exists and it is occurring itself to the body of God O our planet...and they too are involved in just natural psyche human awareness.

Only when all the information of group separation...a natural human, a spiritual human, a natural psyche in the natural human who first quotes science themes...which is a co joined conscious today....is relative to the realisation, yes science is the Destroyer of life.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
The ' church ' of Constantine's time simply recognized the books of the Bible as the authoritative Word form God.
So, Bible canon was already established before Constantine, and the ' church ' merely testified to what was already accepted.
Nothing is going to change that the ancient manuscripts support Bible canon.
And that the apocryphal books simply exclude themselves because of being out of harmony with the established '66' books of the Bible.

Time for a little education

Development of the Christian biblical canon - Wikipedia

How were the books of the Bible chosen?
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Right, Bible canon was established early on, and the ' 66' books make up the Bible.
The apocryphal books simply exclude themselves being out of harmony with the 'harmonious 66' books.
So, the ' church ' merely testified that the ' 66 ' books make up Bible canon.


Ok, you go by what you believe, i will go by what is historically documented.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Studies place the stories of science were verbal first.
Then it was written as evidence.

Then it was studied and re written as a review when the Shroud of Turin event occurred...to confer that Jesus had owned the crucifixion/sacrifice irradiation of life by the witnessed heavenly event 33AD.....and then the Second attack due to reusing the same science technique Temple/pyramid Muslim ownership was involved.

As science that said as they were not sacrificed/attacked in their country, they wanted the science to continue. The Temple in Jeru "where it turned" relative to the Mother Maths of salem therefore caused action to be taken against them.

Jews in the past were life DNA owners of their Holy Land were being irradiated sacrificed for supporting the sciences. The real history of it.

The Tribunal agreement owns a bible statement that said let no man change God the stone ever again, by the giving of formulas/names.

How it was an agreement. So there was no other reason to review DATA or to own proof that this form of radiation science attacked life, for it was never meant to be practiced again.

Therefore what would science want to study it today for? They own their own updated science language and symbols. Said never use male or female self terms in the science of conversion for you would be lying, yet completely ignore the relativity of new science symbolism and also speech.

Today if someone wrote an idea of life in attack by all of the medical advice, the DATA and book, a Bible and a New Testament of life in sacrifice would own a whole lot of new data.
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Ok, you go by what you believe, i will go by what is historically documented.
Would you consider the old Bible book of Revelation to be historical if not considered as historically documented _______
According to Revelation 16:21 a great hailstone message is coming. ( international in scope ).
A hard-hitting heavy judgement message with every stone the size of a talent ( a 40-pound hail stone is the size of a 5-gallon bucket of frozen water )
This heavy hail-stone message comes at the time when the powers that be will be saying, " Peace and Security..."
As an anti-religious atmosphere in feelings and attitudes towards the Bible worsens, the political will suddenly turn on the corrupted religious world.
There will be No neutral ground because the kingdom of Daniel 2:44 is what is the solution.
 

ChristineM

"Be strong", I whispered to my coffee.
Premium Member
Would you consider the old Bible book of Revelation to be historical if not considered as historically documented _______
According to Revelation 16:21 a great hailstone message is coming. ( international in scope ).
A hard-hitting heavy judgement message with every stone the size of a talent ( a 40-pound hail stone is the size of a 5-gallon bucket of frozen water )
This heavy hail-stone message comes at the time when the powers that be will be saying, " Peace and Security..."
As an anti-religious atmosphere in feelings and attitudes towards the Bible worsens, the political will suddenly turn on the corrupted religious world.
There will be No neutral ground because the kingdom of Daniel 2:44 is what is the solution.


I consider documented history to be good, i do not consider the bible to be history.
 
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