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Willamena said:I recognize fate as circumstances that come together in a meaningful way --meaningful to the observer. In that context, I do very much believe in fate. The meaning has significance for me.
I don't understand the question --can you re-phrase it?Sunstone said:So, something wouldn't be fate unless it were meaningful?
Willamena said:I recognize fate as circumstances that come together in a meaningful way --meaningful to the observer. In that context, I do very much believe in fate. The meaning has significance for me.
Nothing that we can be aware of does not have meaning for a conscious mind; assigning meaning is a primary task of consciousness. Most meaning is like background noise (such is it taken for granted) but some few meanings stand out because of association with things that are important to the observer. They "speak" to the observer in a voice so loud it cannot be ignored. (I am, of course, referring to fate here as a synonym of "coincidence" or "omen".)Sunstone said:So, if an event happened to someone, but that event had no meaning, no purpose, would that still be fate? Or does an event have to have meaning for it to be fate?
Or, am I missing your point?
That's a good point. I was "fated" to have a bran muffin for breakfast this morning even if the majesty of the event doesn't register much notice because of the significance I attach to it.Willamena said:Nothing that we can be aware of does not have meaning for a conscious mind; assigning meaning is a primary task of consciousness. Most meaning is like background noise (such is it taken for granted) but some few meanings stand out because of association with things that are important to the observer. They "speak" to the observer in a voice so loud it cannot be ignored. (I am, of course, referring to fate here as a synonym of "coincidence" or "omen".)
The event's purpose is its own. Meaning is something we assign.
Fate is more often coincidence that has the appearance of circumstances manipulating themselves to do something in particular to its subject. As it appears to happen *to* a person, and they take notice, that's not something that can be unmeaningful.
I'll make an astrologer of you, yet.doppelgänger said:That's a good point. I was "fated" to have a bran muffin for breakfast this morning even if the majesty of the event doesn't register much notice because of the significance I attach to it.
I was also "fated" to meet by wonderful wife in the midst of a torrential dounpour on the Burke-Gilman trail in Seattle, Washington on March 11, 1997.
That latter one "feels" a lot more like "fate" than the bran muffin.
Sunstone said:Do you believe in fate?
Sunstone said:Do you believe in fate? If so, why? If not, why not?
In a way, I do.Sunstone said:Do you believe in fate? If so, why? If not, why not?
beckysoup61 said:No.
The reason that I particularly don't believe in 'fate', is because I believe in God. Most everything happens for a reason, and it's not a mysterious fate that causes it or you aren't fated to do anything. You have your own free will to choose.......