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Mohammed and Slavery

Mike.Hester

Member
I am not blaming anybody. The point being, if statues are destroyed and removed because of past barbaric acts,then why should the religion of peace have an exemption? I endorse BLM peaceful demonstrations but not the chaos which has ensued. Check Shih al-Bukhari -
SAHIH HADITH:

Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin.

REFERENCE:
Sahih Al Bukhari 1: Chapter 95, Hadith 7142

Can you imagine If I said that?
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I am not blaming anybody. The point being, if statues are destroyed and removed because of past barbaric acts,then why should the religion of peace have an exemption? I endorse BLM peaceful demonstrations but not the chaos which has ensued. Check Shih al-Bukhari -
SAHIH HADITH:

Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin.

REFERENCE:
Sahih Al Bukhari 1: Chapter 95, Hadith 7142

Can you imagine If I said that?
What has BLM to do with Muhammad? Why the connection? All Black people are not muslim and not every arab are muslim.

What about Garman holocost? Why not mention that in your OP?
Why not mension the Norwegian white nationalist who in 2011 killed 78 people, because just like you, he disrespect muslim?
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
So you don’t deny your thread has nothing to do with BLMs and you are using a movement you care little for to promote your anti-Islamic views?

Arab slave traders had a lot to do with American History. They provided the slaves to a middle man who transported and sold them to plantation owners.

It was America and some European countries that provided the demand for slaves that led to an estimated 12-13 million slaves being transported via the trans-Atlantic route over four centuries.

Atlantic slave trade - Wikipedia

It wasn’t just Muslims who were involved in selling slaves of course and Muslims were not the preferred dealers for slaves given animosity between Christians and Muslims.

It was Christian Europeans, not Muslims who conquered and colonised the Americas subjugating and oppressing its native peoples. In the USA it was Christians, not Muslims who founded its constitution and promoted slavery.

I find it amazing that no one has denied the fact the prophet of peace owned slaves.

Slavery was the norm during the seventh century during Muhammad’s time as it was the norm during Christ’s time. Both Christianity and Islam viewed slavery as the natural order at that time but made provisions for the better treatment of slaves.

Why are statutes of Winston Churchill being defaced

Probably because he was racist.

Racial views of Winston Churchill - Wikipedia

Why have we created a special status group which cannot be objectively criticised without fear of social reprisal?

Mate, last year 51 Muslims were murdered in my country while gathered together peacefully in their mosques.

Christchurch mosque shootings - Wikipedia

Sure, you can criticise Islam. Whose said you can’t? Find a way of doing it without promoting hatred and prejudice. Is that too much to ask?
 

Mike.Hester

Member
I am not promoting hatred. I have used Official Islamic Sources. Yes Mr. Churchill may of said some disparaging remarks, and yes he wrote a long treaties condemning the way women were treated in Islam, but likewise so did the prophet of the religion of peace(raisin heads) I might add that Abraham Lincoln also stated that slavery would be a subject to affirmatively discuss in order to save the Union (paraphrased) . BLM is a noble cause, like the NAACP was in the 1950s and 60`s. The NAACP brought forth a debate about the doctrine of separate and equal and its unfair application towards our minority community. If you want to discuss murders in churches, we can start with the slaughter of Coptic Christians in Egypt. The point is that anyone engaged in the harbouring of slaves deserves to be equally criticised.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
I am not promoting hatred. I have used Official Islamic Sources. Yes Mr. Churchill may of said some disparaging remarks, and yes he wrote a long treaties condemning the way women were treated in Islam, but likewise so did the prophet of the religion of peace(raisin heads) I might add that Abraham Lincoln also stated that slavery would be a subject to affirmatively discuss in order to save the Union (paraphrased) . BLM is a noble cause, like the NAACP was in the 1950s and 60`s. The NAACP brought forth a debate about the doctrine of separate and equal and its unfair application towards our minority community. If you want to discuss murders in churches, we can start with the slaughter of Coptic Christians in Egypt. The point is that anyone engaged in the harbouring of slaves deserves to be equally criticised.
Så all agree that slavery is wrong, that is not the reason we speak against you, but to start your thread tittel of "Muhammad and slavery" then suddenly speak of BLM that are two different things.
You do know that Black man/woman come to America because of white americans wanted cheap workers. So if you want to blame someone, blame the white man, not arabs or muslim for your current problem. What about the Orange man in the white house? Isnt he a problem for you?
 

Mike.Hester

Member
BLM has had a negative ripple effect. Looting, vandalism, strong arm robbery and the sudden push to destroy or deface public monuments. I believe that if there is a public debate, and thereafter monuments are removed as a result of democratic processes, then let it be. But mob rule cannot be tolerated. I think I am older than most people in this forum, but in 1968, I had ROTC training at Fort Benning, Georgia. I was aghast to see a portrait of a Confederate General whose name was used in the naming of the camp.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
BLM has had a negative ripple effect. Looting, vandalism, strong arm robbery and the sudden push to destroy or deface public monuments. I believe that if there is a public debate, and thereafter monuments are removed as a result of democratic processes, then let it be. But mob rule cannot be tolerated. I think I am older than most people in this forum, but in 1968, I had ROTC training at Fort Benning, Georgia. I was aghast to see a portrait of a Confederate General whose name was used in the naming of the camp.
Do you support the way Black people has been murdered by white police officers? What about fixing the police first?
 

Mike.Hester

Member
What a ridicules question! All lives matter to me! I was a bush pilot in Vietnam when I heard the shocking news of the Kent State Massacre and I was one of the few who strongly disagreed with the murder of innocent students conducting a real anti-war protest. Again, when the Jackson State shooting occurred, I was a minority voice disagreeing with the over-reaction of the Jackson Police Department.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
I am not blaming anybody. The point being, if statues are destroyed and removed because of past barbaric acts,then why should the religion of peace have an exemption? I endorse BLM peaceful demonstrations but not the chaos which has ensued. Check Shih al-Bukhari -
SAHIH HADITH:

Narrated Anas bin Malik: Allah's Apostle said, You should listen to and obey, your ruler even if he was an Ethiopian (black) slave whose head looks like a raisin.

REFERENCE:
Sahih Al Bukhari 1: Chapter 95, Hadith 7142

Can you imagine If I said that?
I don't support removing or toppline any statues of Muhammed.
But I do support adding elaboration about his views on slavery
& oppression of us infidels.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Do you support the way Black people has been murdered by white police officers? What about fixing the police first?
Let's fix the police by eliminating all wrongful assaults & killings.
If we only ended racism, then blacks would still be unjustly
hassled, beaten, & killed at the same rate as whites. That
would be only a partial victory.
Remember that Freddie Gray was killed by a rainbow coalition
of cops....3 white males, 2 black males, 1 black female.
 

Spirit of Light

Be who ever you want
Let's fix the police by eliminating all wrongful assaults & killings.
If we only ended racism, then blacks would still be unjustly
hassled, beaten, & killed at the same rate as whites. That
would be only a partial victory.
Remember that Freddie Gray was killed by a rainbow coalition
of cops....3 white males, 2 black males, 1 black female.
As far as the news told about it here in Norway, there where only one killer, the one with his knee in the Black mans neck. It was a white man killing a Black man.

The other guys should have stopped him of course.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
As far as the news told about it here in Norway, there where only one killer, the one with his knee in the Black mans neck. It was a white man killing a Black man.

The other guys should have stopped him of course.
My point is that even if there were no racism,
blacks would still be killed at the alarming rate
that whites are killed. That's unacceptable.
 
Arab slave traders had a lot to do with American History. They provided the slaves to a middle man who transported and sold them to plantation owners. I find it amazing that no one has denied the fact the prophet of peace owned slaves. Why are statutes being dumped into waterways? Why are statutes of Winston Churchill being defaced? Why have we created a special status group which cannot be objectively criticised without fear of social reprisal?

I think Muslims would have no problem dumping statues of Muhammed lol.

Abraham was also believed to have owned slaves, and most likely Moses as well. You can read about the various slaves in the Bible and throughout world history.

As for the slaves of Muhammed, it is unknown their existence or condition for certain, as for any others, but that is besides the point Mike. The real point here is "Mike Hester is angry at scary, yucky Muslims" and wants to get back at them and put an end to their religion.

The way to do that Mike, is not through directly making them feel alienated and hated.

The way to destroy Islam is by corrupting their families through sex.

What you should be advancing is pornography, and the acceptance of corrupted and immoral or atheistic but sensual females to be having sex with Muslim men, but only in exchange that they give up their religion.

This was my advice long ago as well:
7. Balaam, Part III (Numbers 25:1-18) | Bible.org

Now, let the spirit of Lord Balaam fill you, or acknowledge how even now it may, and embrace your desire for the destruction of the Muslims!

Pinchas and Intermarriage | My Jewish Learning

"
At ****tim, Israelite men begin to mix with Moabite women, even to the point of joining them in their pagan rites. The midrash sees the hand of Balaam behind this intermingling. Before he is unceremoniously dismissed by the irate king of Moab, Balaam advises him to erode Israel’s apartness. Socializing will lead to intermarriage and apostasy. Soon what could only be done at first in secret will become publicly acceptable.

Thus the Torah recounts the romance of one mixed couple flaunted in full view(Numbers 25:6). Is Moses’ conspicuous absence from this turn of events another sign of his growing weariness or of inner conflict springing from his marriage to Zipporah, herself a Midianite woman? The leadership vacuum is filled by Pinchas, the grandson of Aaron, who on his own kills the offending couple and halts the plague that has already consumed 24,000 lives. "

ssssound familiar my sssson?

Now the plague consumessss you, but your desssire is that the Mussslimsss be eradicated, which is indeed an interesssting dessssire. From where does it sssstem?

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Thus the name Balaam means Destroyer Of People (NOBSE Study Bible Name List),Destruction Of The People (Jones' Dictionary of Old Testament Proper Names), or Confuser Of The People (Jones). Jones also addsSwallowing Up The People.

Some commentators see a connection between the name Balaam and the New Testament name Nicolas. These two names seem to convey similar meanings and John the Revelator mentions both in close proximity (REVELATION 2:6 and 2:15 for the Nicolaitans andREVELATION 2:14 for Balaam). "

"
Most commentators nowadays prefer a combination of the word עם ('am), people, and the verb בלע (bala'), meaning to swallow:

Excerpted from: Abarim Publications' Biblical Dictionary

בלע
The verb בלע (bala') means to swallow with the implication of destruction of what was swallowed. Noun בלע (bela) means either a swallowing and by implication: a destruction, or a thing swallowed or destroyed.
"

So Mike Hessster, how is your desire to be accomplishshshed?

ttps://youtu.be/LD49Q4AKQfc

Sssimple!

The humansss are animalsss, all you have to do is make their children corrupt by having non-mussslim mothersss and you will dilute their population.

You, like my Asssyriansss shshshould alsso take them away from their ghettosss and disssperssse them!

Then they can not relate to one another. They may sssay their prayersss to "Allah", who is Balaam your Lord, The Devourer of All, Death, but their children won't! They will have mixxxxed feelingsss, and you ssshould feed them sssex too Mike Hessster.

"
shared root with the modern German heißen to call indicating the profession of herald or town crier. "

Furthermore, it ruins lives to experience sex early on, so the younger you can get children having sexual intercourse and experiencing break ups, the more destroyed they will be. Isn't that what you want for the Muslims and their hideous offspring? If you don't destroy them, like the vermin you think they are, they will surely make your life lessss pleasssant and be clones of their parentssss.

So here is what you do. Make their women oppressed by thinking they are alienated from their own people by pretending to be a Mussslim and promoting them to wrap up and disrespecting everything about them and use quotes sssagely:

Matthew 10:16
"Pay attention, now! I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. So be as cunning as serpents and as innocent as doves."

Once you've made their women dissstraught and feeling as though they would never want a strong Muslim man because he will make her life a hell, flood the Muslim men with pornography and the desire for lovely and kindly open sexually caucasian sacrifices, these women will dutifully bend over, but not for Allah! They should force these men to marry them and be used to produce children which will bind the men and obligate them even further, and the children will not be Muslims but will be very confused. If you find people to molest them, that might psychologically damage them further, but even if you find young people to have sexual relations with them while they are young and flood them with pornographic content from an early age that should be sufficient.

Make Allah out to be a cartoonish character and nothing sophisticated about it, but maybe don't say Allah and say "God" instead and make God seem likeca Zeus-like figure and always show images and spam their mind with images so they never develop a sense of communication with the real God.

Doesn't it make you feel Good Mike Hester? I am telling you your methods are weak, but if you want to separate Islam from the "darkies" you may be well served in depicting or at least describing Muhammed as a Caucasian.

This will alienate people who are more pigmented into no longer seeing themselves in Muhammed but rather seeing an "Other", so it should be emphasized using quotes how he was a white man and then maybe this slave rubbish might have more impact, but really your scheme is weak and you should take advice from greater dragons than yourssself. Sssome day you too may be great though, if you ssstand on the right ssshoulders, whissspering in the right earsss, or the left.

You mussst entice them with every sssort of dissstraction and luxxxury, but destroying the nexxxt generation isss where it is at.

If you can't commit outright genocide, then the nexxxt bessst option is diluting their "otherness" and separating and amalgamating them so much that they have no way of even strongly thinking they are anything elsse, their mothersss are disssbelieverss, they are half breedss, then again and again, just like we wiped out so many before.

You want to crush these scorpions? Then do what it takes Mike Hester!

ttps://youtu.be/yiCs2jYMD4A

ttps://youtu.be/OZ3wdfWFp1A
 

Mike.Hester

Member
I only read a bit of your ridicules theory. I am an atheist, I have very little tolerance with the supernatural. BLM has spawned a worldwide campaign which has resulted in mob rule. There are no statues of the prophet of the religion of peace because the penalty is death if one were to be constructed (see Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris, France). My question is very simple: The prophet of peace had slaves, how do you come to terms with such a person in light of all the destruction of memorials and statues which gloried racism? Can we not have an intelligent discussion without name calling?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
With this new neo BLM campaign now a global phenomena and witnessing the destruction of statues of historical slave owners (Winston was not a slave holder), have the anarchist forgotten that the leader of the religion of peace owned slaves? Moreover, the leader of the religious of peace was also caught committing adultery with one of his slaves. Additional, the leader of the religion of peace surely used vile language to describe to describe black people. Should the religion of peace be subject to the same scrutiny?

Huh?
What about the Romans?
And what about the Christians?

I guess you're irritated by Islam or something?
If you don't like Islam, don't become a Muslim. :)
 
I only read a bit of your ridicules theory. I am an atheist, I have very little tolerance with the supernatural. BLM has spawned a worldwide campaign which has resulted in mob rule. There are no statues of the prophet of the religion of peace because the penalty is death if one were to be constructed (see Charlie Hebdo massacre in Paris, France). My question is very simple: The prophet of peace had slaves, how do you come to terms with such a person in light of all the destruction of memorials and statues which gloried racism? Can we not have an intelligent discussion without name calling?

I wasn't trying to call you names (like how you are calling some dead Arabs names?), I was trying to advise you on how to diminish and disrupt Islam. If I am alone in this interest, then so be it, but you used videos by a religious Christian guy (who used to be a Muslim and probably led to the conversion of many Muslims before recently leaving Islam and returning to his former religion of Christianity).

Still, the advice remains sound and true and with historical precedent, that there are tried and true methods of dismantling and destroying a people and breaking them. These methods were also effectively practiced to suppress and keep downtrodden the African population in the United States.

There were also mistakes made, mistakes which at first seem logical but actually lead to problems later. In other words, it was a wise decision to object to and reject the proposal that the mass murderer Abraham Lincoln had to give the Africans their own sort of "reservations".

Muslims are a more insidious threat, like Communists, they can't readily be identified by their skin color, but as Luck would have it, many of them are pretty easy to identify visually or make assumptions about based on things like appearance, name, and their clownish garbs and fetish-wear.

The way that Muslims are so ok about slavery in the history of the world and Islam is that the word "Slave" has a positive connotation in Islam and there were positive writings and class rights and regulations which makes it appear to Muslims that it wasn't too big of a deal.

In other words, this is a sort of dead-end for fierce polemics.

Lets work on strategies together to think about what the real problems are with Muslims and how to eradicate them off the face of the Earth or at least make them less heard of, like Jain or Zoroastrian people.

I have a few questions though just out of interest:
If you could press a Button and Make Islam No More, would you press it?

Would you press it to Make Christianity No More?

Buddhism?

How about All religions?

Would you press a button that could make everyone on Earth a total Atheist who believes in no superstitious mumbo jumbo of any sort?

How about a button that would cause a population to drop dead suddenly, like all muslims just go poof, they don't exist anymore, every last one is dead and gone, would you press it?

For Christians as well, would you press the button which takes all their lives away?

Buddhists?

How about color, would you press a button to make people "color blind" to race distinctions or ethnicities?
Would you eliminate certain races or ethnicities by turning them some other way?

Would you make any go poof and end their existences?

Don't be shy please, answer sincerely and after really examining your feelings and thoughts and where they stem from.

How about sick people? Would you eradicate all disease including things like autism and down syndrome? How about a button which wipes them off the face of the Earth?

What is your ideal society? Is it something like the Islamic idea of Paradise?

Do you view Islam as a threat in a world without a Power that Balances and Moderates Everything?

Then this effort is not sufficient in the war to save the world from the monstrousity you fear.
 
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Mike.Hester

Member
Huh?
What about the Romans?
And what about the Christians?

I guess you're irritated by Islam or something?
If you don't like Islam, don't become a Muslim. :)
I agree with you. I know that Romans had slaves, and 90% of later Arab Slave trade went to Portugal and its Latin American colonies. But remember, none of these later slave owners claimed to be a prophet of a merciful god.
 

Mike.Hester

Member
SO on one hand it is a abomination to own slaves and people like Edward Colston should have their statue removed by an angry mob and on the other hand a special status exception should be given to the religion of peace?
 

oldbadger

Skanky Old Mongrel!
I agree with you. I know that Romans had slaves, and 90% of later Arab Slave trade went to Portugal and its Latin American colonies. But remember, none of these later slave owners claimed to be a prophet of a merciful god.
Hi.... :)
The Abrahamic God (includes Jews, Christians, Islam) was a very stern God at times, and there were slaves in all of those religious nations.

The God of the Israelites required that all enemies be killed but virgins could be kept for various purposes. Paul was a prophet and he supported slavery.... says so in the bible.

That God was a terrifying God if displeased. And if a Christian should displease him, that can lead to everlasting torture in hellfire. Allah is the same God.

Now....... would you like to join a religion of the Abrahamic God? :D

But let's not single out Muhammad for criticism. The prophet Elijah was a horribly tough, and others too.
 

Mike.Hester

Member
Please provide me with a citation concerning Paul´s views on slavery. It is so obvious that everyone is making excuses for the prophet of peace to own slaves. Again, a double standard. My suggestion to to think about the racism everyone is complaining about and its roots in slavery. Here is citation which is easy to read. Islamic views on slavery - Wikipedia
 
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