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Heaven is a Police State
- Thread starter Thief
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cataway
Well-Known Member
at your death someone will either dig a hole and drop you into it or slip your dead body into a oven and burn you till you are ash. then if you are deemed worthy and the time arrives. a resurrection
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe you are in error. It is not a police state because no-one there is capable of ding evil.
I believe God only bothers people there when necessary. Otherwise people are simply free to do what they want since there is no ability to do any evil.
I believe there are no gates in Heaven. This is due to the fact that people sometimes confuse the New Jerusalem with Heaven. They are two different things.
I believe there are no angels carrying swords in Heaven.
Muffled
Jesus in me
In my understanding only those who reach enlightenment or salvation will be able to enter in to heavenand in my current understanding heaven is a peaceful dimension
I do not believe that is the case as to entry.
My experience with Heaven was that it was a peaceful place.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe there are those who will require further punishment for their actions and Heaven does not provide that.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
no wrath of God?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Because of we are on different wisdom level, we will have different understanding of how heaven is.
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
Good wording. So I don't feel I need to work to compose a better answer. I like things I've read in my limited reading in the Catholic catechism, but didn't know they had gotten to this level. Appreciate your work!
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I would find that grossly unfair to those who grew up to hate because they were taught hate as children. Those who's pains and abuse manifested into anger and bitterness. Bullys often become bullys. If anything, they need a love shown to them they've never had before instead of more pain.
halbhh
The wonder and awe of "all things".
Though we are born with the ability, the bigger kind of Love is more an outcome.
Even an outcome often of suffering and change, that bigger kind of Love that is more than just love for family or love for a circle of a few friends we like only.
"God resists the proud, but gives Grace (help, aid, opportunities) to the humble."
My explanation might fall short, but these are better words --
This Love:
1“Come, all you who are thirsty,
come to the waters;
and you who have no money,
come, buy and eat!
Come, buy wine and milk
without money and without cost.
2Why spend money on what is not bread,
and your labor on what does not satisfy?
Listen, listen to me, and eat what is good,
and you will delight in the richest of fare.
3Give ear and come to me;
listen, that you may live.
...
6Seek the Lord while he may be found;
call on him while he is near.
7Let the wicked forsake their ways
and the unrighteous their thoughts.
Let them turn to the Lord, and he will have mercy on them,
and to our God, for he will freely pardon.
8“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
9“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
10As the rain and the snow
come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
11so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
12You will go out in joy
and be led forth in peace;
the mountains and hills
will burst into song before you,
and all the trees of the field
will clap their hands.
13Instead of the thornbush will grow the juniper,
and instead of briers the myrtle will grow.
This will be for the Lord’s renown,
for an everlasting sign,
that will endure forever.”
Isaiah 55 NIV
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I cannot stand with any god who wpuld condemn Frankenstein's Creature. He was only guilty of being created and being hated. He hated because he was hated and feared. If a god could hold such a person eternally guilty for reacting in a way that reflected how he was treated by others, that is a god not worthy of my respect.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
Lostsouldee
New Member
Yes, your God condemns people on earth based on thought crime so I can assume heaven would be like a totalitarian dictatorship.
Faithofchristian
Well-Known Member
That's definitely absolutely positively amazing and to say funny.
VoidoftheSun
Necessary Heretical, Fundamentally Orthodox
Jannah (paradise, the end attainment) is the absence of Dunya (manifest reality, the material world).
Aka, anything that resembles this universe or this state of being is not heaven.
DKH
Member
Thief said:
I disagree! So, to begin (with my counter argument) let's define: What is a police state?
a political unit characterized by repressive governmental control of political, economic, and social life usually by an arbitrary exercise of power by police and especially secret police in place of regular operation of administrative and judicial organs of the government according to publicly known legal procedures (Merriam-Webster Dictionary).
Thus, breaking down this definition: What is meant by a repressive government?
One that restricts people's freedom and controls them by using force (Collins English Dictionary).
Hence, it is my opinion that the Kingdom of Heaven does restrict the freedom of the angels (to do whatever they want to) and could use force to prevent such actions that are contrary to the regular operation of administrative and judicial organs of the government according to known legal procedures of the Kingdom of Heaven…Where, these known legal procedures are outlined through-out the bible. Also, 1Chron. 29:11-12, 2Chron. 20:6, Ps. 103.19, Isa. 14:24 and your acknowledgement are only a few references claiming God has authority over all, including heaven. Therefore, since the regular operation of administrative and judicial organs of heaven have not been altered (in any way), since its creation, heaven is not a police state.
Thus (hypothetically), if an individual appeared at the gate of heaven, not fully knowing the rules and regulations required for entrance, they would not be permitted to enter…This would eliminate the guessing of what is happening in heaven and what isn't.
Note: Even though I have used bible verses for support, this posting is my personal opinion and should only be understood in that context.