Police Brutality

America isn't the only nation with this challenge. If you google 'police brutality in _______ '(insert any country) you'll get hits.

So what's the solution? Here are some suggestions.

1) Really tough screening and background checks. Be really selective.
2) Much higher pay, proof you're qualified.
3) Undercover officers within the system, looking for anyone not following code. Immunity to informants. Or a separate police system to police the police.
4) Apprentice buddy systems.
5) Rotating partners, so no 2 people are together for long.
6) Encouragement (incentives) for more ethnicity within the force.
7) Much longer training ... on sensitivity, and on how to take down safely without violence.

Seems society needs to do something. Thoughts? Ideas?

Vinayaka said:

America isn't the only nation with this challenge. If you google 'police brutality in _______ '(insert any country) you'll get hits.

So what's the solution? Here are some suggestions.

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We all know the proverb "Tell me your company, I tell you who you are". Police being among criminals, slowly develop also a bit criminal mind.
Good example is the ones going (deep) undercover. So, I am not surprised about "police brutality" increasing, as violence increases.
Watching all the lies in the news, I even get violent thoughts now and then (just from watching...imagine if you work on the street).

Vinayaka said:

1) Really tough screening and background checks. Be really selective.
2) Much higher pay, proof you're qualified.
3) Undercover officers within the system, looking for anyone not following code. Immunity to informants. Or a separate police system to police the police.
4) Apprentice buddy systems.
5) Rotating partners, so no 2 people are together for long.
6) Encouragement (incentives) for more ethnicity within the force.
7) Much longer training ... on sensitivity, and on how to take down safely without violence.

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I think it's very tough to be a policeman. I even get angry and upset, just reading about all the injustice. Imagine those policemen, working on the streets 24/7. I would be surprised if a certain percentage would not get violent. Of course it's best to find solutions, but IMO it won't be easy, as the ones in charge are corrupted more and more nowadays.

Vinayaka said:

Seems society needs to do something. Thoughts? Ideas?

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If our politicians and presidents LIE, betray, are corrupt, I think we are doomed to go down. However nice plan you make. When the base is rotten....

Vinayaka said:

America isn't the only nation with this challenge. If you google 'police brutality in _______ '(insert any country) you'll get hits.

So what's the solution? Here are some suggestions.

1) Really tough screening and background checks. Be really selective.
2) Much higher pay, proof you're qualified.
3) Undercover officers within the system, looking for anyone not following code. Immunity to informants. Or a separate police system to police the police.
4) Apprentice buddy systems.
5) Rotating partners, so no 2 people are together for long.
6) Encouragement (incentives) for more ethnicity within the force.
7) Much longer training ... on sensitivity, and on how to take down safely without violence.

Seems society needs to do something. Thoughts? Ideas?

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You've done well.
8) Extensive video & audio coverage.
9) Entrapment to search out those prone to wrongdoing, eg, undercover agents offering bribes.
10) Frequent continuing training to include high stress scenarios.

I recall that in order to get my security clearance to work on military
aircraft design, gov agents came to my home town, & asked questions
of those who knew me. It was costly, but seems worth the expense
to vet cops. Some have backgrounds of brutality. This should be known.

I watched a video where a guy suggested police officers be required to be insured and buy their own insurance. If they used excessive force, their premiums would increase and they would be required to pay them out of their own pockets, and in extreme circumstances, they would become uninsurable and would be forced to lose their jobs. I thought this was a brilliant idea.

Vinayaka said:

America isn't the only nation with this challenge. If you google 'police brutality in _______ '(insert any country) you'll get hits.

So what's the solution? Here are some suggestions.

1) Really tough screening and background checks. Be really selective.
2) Much higher pay, proof you're qualified.
3) Undercover officers within the system, looking for anyone not following code. Immunity to informants. Or a separate police system to police the police.
4) Apprentice buddy systems.
5) Rotating partners, so no 2 people are together for long.
6) Encouragement (incentives) for more ethnicity within the force.
7) Much longer training ... on sensitivity, and on how to take down safely without violence.

Seems society needs to do something. Thoughts? Ideas?

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Excellent list, imo.

Vinayaka said:

Seems society needs to do something. Thoughts? Ideas?

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I do agree to a large extent. However it is somewhat like saying the answer to a plague is improve the training of physicians. When in fact the answer is to tackle the sewers.

Many areas that police and others are expected to work in are dehumanizing cesspits. The roots of these problems are far deeper than recruitment and training.

Vinayaka said:

America isn't the only nation with this challenge. If you google 'police brutality in _______ '(insert any country) you'll get hits.

So what's the solution? Here are some suggestions.

1) Really tough screening and background checks. Be really selective.
2) Much higher pay, proof you're qualified.
3) Undercover officers within the system, looking for anyone not following code. Immunity to informants. Or a separate police system to police the police.
4) Apprentice buddy systems.
5) Rotating partners, so no 2 people are together for long.
6) Encouragement (incentives) for more ethnicity within the force.
7) Much longer training ... on sensitivity, and on how to take down safely without violence.

Seems society needs to do something. Thoughts? Ideas?

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I think the police will have to stop dehumanizing criminals. Once the police have pegged a person as an immoral criminal, they can justify whatever violence they see as necessary to subdue them.

Nakosis said:

I think the police will have to stop dehumanizing criminals. Once the police have pegged a person as an immoral criminal, they can justify whatever violence they see as necessary to subdue them.

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Here we had a picture of 2 police looking proud over the arrest of a high kid. Nobody knows the circumstances that put that person into crime in the first place. In sensitivity training, I think it best to assume the worst ... sexually abused as a child, physically abused, broke, not that smart etc. etc. We should start from the POV of compassion, not disdain.

Vinayaka said:

Here we had a picture of 2 police looking proud over the arrest of a high kid. Nobody knows the circumstances that put that person into crime in the first place. In sensitivity training, I think it best to assume the worst ... sexually abused as a child, physically abused, broke, not that smart etc. etc. We should start from the POV of compassion, not disdain.

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That's an extremely enlighten view which I suspect most will find difficult to comprehend. How many would be able to feel compassion for Derek Chauvin?

After we end brutality BY police can we tackle brutality TOWARD police? There are many more cases of police being attacked for no reason than there are cases of police attacking for no reason.

lostwanderingsoul said:

After we end brutality BY police can we tackle brutality TOWARD police?

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I see only one way, ie, to change their image from brutes to public servants.
The only way to do that is to change the behavior of the bad ones.

There are many more cases of police being attacked for no reason than there are cases of police attacking for no reason.

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How is this known?

Vinayaka said:

America isn't the only nation with this challenge. If you google 'police brutality in _______ '(insert any country) you'll get hits.

So what's the solution? Here are some suggestions.

1) Really tough screening and background checks. Be really selective.
2) Much higher pay, proof you're qualified.
3) Undercover officers within the system, looking for anyone not following code. Immunity to informants. Or a separate police system to police the police.
4) Apprentice buddy systems.
5) Rotating partners, so no 2 people are together for long.
6) Encouragement (incentives) for more ethnicity within the force.
7) Much longer training ... on sensitivity, and on how to take down safely without violence.

Seems society needs to do something. Thoughts? Ideas?

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It's flat-out too much power to put on one person so I'm in favor of restrictions.

However I see the best, and the one that obviously works the most, would be the public right to photograph and videotape the police at whatever they do.

Its a beautiful checks and balances, the police police us, and we police the police.

Anybody who advocates legislation making it illegal to film or photograph the police or similar authority is an absolute tyrant.

Since the inception of the police force there has been an incredible and arguably unacceptable imbalance of power and authority, and the constant monitoring is a wonderful way to negate any abusive behavior weither on the part of the police, or on part of the civilian.

If we're going to be a surveillance dependent society now, than we should have just as much power to employ said surveillance on the authorities as much as the government has in kind.

We see the power of the camera, and it's free use by all is instrumental, if not essential, in keeping a society free and in proper check.

There have been stories out there that police are intentionally targeting the media for that reason. They flat-out don't want to be filmed.