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God And Homosexuality

JesusKnowsYou

Active Member
Then you need to be more precise and terse in your writing.
I don't believe you used the word "terse" accurately.
The term “homosexual” refers to orientation, not action.
Which is why I used the word "behavior" to describe what I was referring to.

Also - considering the context of the discussion - there was no reason for me to clarify what I was talking about any further.

The RF member I was talking to understood what I was saying.

You coming in here to knit-pick and argue semantics while ignoring context doesn't mean I said anything wrong or incorrect.
I don’t doubt it, if you’re not a medical professional. that’s what the term means. The medical community recognizes sexual orientation.
You don't need to be a medical professional to discuss the Biblical understanding of homosexuality.

How we define it today is rather irrelevant to any discussion about what Moses or Paul meant.

Stop ignoring the context of this discussion.
Murder isn’t a sexual orientation. Homosexuality is.
Irrelevant to this discussion.

We have been discussing how ancient Israel, early Christian writers and God - as recorded in the Bible - define sin.

In the Old Testament sin has always been about action - not desire or orientation.

No matter how much a person wants to murder another person - they are not guilty of the sin of murder unless they act on their desire and commit murder.

No matter how much a person is attracted to someone - they are not guilty of the sin of fornication unless they act on their desire and have premarital sex.

No matter how much a person is attracted to someone who is not their spouse - they are not guilty of the sin of adultery unless they act on their desire and have sex with someone who is not their spouse.

No matter how much a person is attracted to someone of the same-sex - they are not guilty of the sin of fornication/homosexual relations unless they act on their desire and have sex with someone of the same-sex.
Why should a person who is attracted to the opposite sex, but chaste, be considered heterosexual?
They shouldn't be - IMHO.

I don't like the use of such labels - especially when it involves children - because when we do this we find parents wanting to cut their son's penis off because he likes My Little Pony.

Someone who is told they are something makes them feel like they are betraying themselves if they ever start to feel something different down the road.
The action isn’t definitive of the orientation. We have to separate action from orientation, which is precisely what the Bible doesn’t do.
What?

This is exactly what I have been doing and claiming that the Bible does this as well.

I have been separating the action from the orientation.

You and others like you don't actually want to do that.

You want those who have an orientation - but have performed no action - to be labelled as though they had performed an action.

You want no distinction between the orientation and the action.

If you did - then none of your posts to me in this thread make any sense - since they have been primarily about those who have an orientation without action and those who act on their orientation should be labelled the same.

Basically - what you believe about orientation and homosexual behavior would be akin to believing that someone who has a desire to kill another person is already a murderer simply for having that desire - or orientation.

They would be "closet murderers" and they should be given the same label as those who acted on their desires and actually murdered someone.
Only because orientation was not a concept then.
They didn't stuff it full of B.S. like we do today - no sir - but they understood that there were those who were attracted to the same-sex.
Only if they’re not consensual, equitable, loving, committed, and expressive and celebrative of the participants.
Nope.

Marriage was only between men and women and any sexual activity outside of marriage was considered sinful.

This is what the Bible records God taught His people.
Of course it does, because what the psychiatric community does is determine what is a healthy aspect of the human psyche, using scientific data. Just because the Bible says the world is flat does not make it so.
Nope.

The "world" has been proven wrong before and it is still wrong in many regards today - it just doesn't know it yet.

The Bible claims that God taught that homosexual behavior was sinful and I agree with that claim.

The Bible never taught that the Earth was flat.

Anyone who believes that it does has no understanding of literary interpretation or genre.
 

Mitty

Active Member
The Bible claims that God taught that homosexual behavior was sinful and I agree with that claim.
So which particular homosexual behaviour is sinful, given that the bible says nothing at all about female homosexuals and their behaviour?

The Bible never taught that the Earth was flat.
But the bible doesn't describe Earth as a rotating globe orbiting the Sun which is billions of years old.

The bible, however, describes Earth as a flat immovable disc with ends and corners (Matt 4:8 Isaiah 40:22), and describes the universe as geocentric and as a dome-shaped tent attached at the ring of the horizon (Eccl 1:5 Isaiah 40:22)
 
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sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I don't believe you used the word "terse" accurately
See below, you need to tighten up your phrasing so that it has better clarity.

Which is why I used the word "behavior" to describe what I was referring to.
No you didn’t. you said: “Nothing you have said proves that He needed to say anything about homosexuality in order for the Bible to teach that it is sinful behavior”. “Homosexuality” and “homosexual behavior” are two completely different things.

Also - considering the context of the discussion - there was no reason for me to clarify what I was talking about any further.
If there hadn’t been, I wouldn’t have commented.
You coming in here to knit-pick and argue semantics while ignoring context doesn't mean I said anything wrong or incorrect
yes it does. You said that the Bible taught that homosexuality is sinful behavior. It doesn’t do that. I teaches that homosexual behavior is sinful behavior.
You don't need to be a medical professional to discuss the Biblical understanding of homosexuality
The bible doesn’t have an understanding of homosexuality.

How we define it today is rather irrelevant to any discussion about what Moses or Paul meant
Quite right, yet, you keep foisting their concept upon us who have a more developed concept, as if their concept can in any significant way, inform us.
Irrelevant to this discussion
You brought it up, not me.

In the Old Testament sin has always been about action - not desire or orientation
But when you use the term “homosexuality,” it denotes orientation, not behavior.

No matter how much a person wants to murder another person - they are not guilty of the sin of murder unless they act on their desire and commit murder
You just said this was irrelevant. yet you’re bringing it up again. Oh! And Jesus said differently. Not about murder, specifically, but about adultery.
No matter how much a person is attracted to someone of the same-sex - they are not guilty of the sin of fornication/homosexual relations unless they act on their desire and have sex with someone of the same-sex.
Unless, of course, that act is carried out with consent, love, equity, and commitment.

They shouldn't be - IMHO.
In a world in which sexual identity can be one of a few different things, common sense would dictate otherwise. It aids in forming a holistic identity. using your logic, no one should have to identify what religion they are, either. Or nationality, or sex, or race, etc.

I have been separating the action from the orientation
No, you’ve been muddling the two by misusing the term for orientation interchangeably with the acts.

You want those who have an orientation - but have performed no action - to be labelled as though they had performed an action.
No, I think that people should be correctly identified according to their orientation, not their actions.

You want no distinction between the orientation and the action.
No, I’m pushing for a hard distinction between the two. You’re confused.

If you did - then none of your posts to me in this thread make any sense - since they have been primarily about those who have an orientation without action and those who act on their orientation should be labelled the same.
Again: you’re confused, both in your semantic choices and in your reading comprehension.

They didn't stuff it full of B.S. like we do today - no sir - but they understood that there were those who were attracted to the same-sex.
I don’t see where it’s “stuffed full of BS.” Unless, of course, “BS” refers to anything that you happen to disagree with, scientific research notwithstanding.
Yup.

Marriage was only between men and women and any sexual activity outside of marriage was considered sinful
That’s because they were not aware of sexual orientation, as we are today.

The "world" has been proven wrong before and it is still wrong in many regards today - it just doesn't know it yet.
How convenient. Perhaps we’re wrong about slavery, racial equality, sexual equality, and pederasty too...

The Bible claims that God taught that homosexual behavior was sinful and I agree with that claim
The Bible claims that homosexual behavior is sinful only because the writers didn’t have the information we have now.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that expression is human frustration.

Christ, as a bible medical science biology written document from the study of nuclear occult Satanic causes upon consciousness and the bio genetics.

CH arose says the scientist......God the stone is the Creator body of God the heavenly released gases that arose as a mountain/ejected like a male into the womb of space. Where spatial cold and zero pressure converted them into the Immaculate.

Science statement...said as a male theist....God is Stone...God atmosphere like a male spurted forth his spirit into space..a womb.

Now if you owned common sense today would first state...science should not have in any use TO TEACH claimed self human sexuality to any science reference.

The first and original science mistake...to tell comparison lies...non actual use of information as information.

Therefore if suddenly human naturally paired behaviours that said Adam/Adam, as a human reflection....placing the male first by status of word usage....then he said both the male and the female had their image made in the God ground fission reaction, when I burnt the Even balanced sky 12/12.

How the science statement said EVE....but EVE is not sexual. EVEN...the N point of change on the cross + the HEAD.

As the head did the formula for science/machine temple pyramid converting...actually.

Then to say...if human behaviour that was spiritual suddenly did criminal activity...and oh males want to have sex with males. The first question would be what is happening and what it causing it.

Especially when science owns a fake claim as male stated I am not changing anything natural...as another one of his lies.

So they had to do an apply an atmospheric assessment and realized that the natural 12/12 balances was gone....and spatial gas mass burning, had in fact produced more mass gas burning....it still owned light, but the atmospheric body had heated, and changed....more carbon in the atmosphere scenario as evidence.

The DATA on the mutating life genetics said 24 was the appraisal, but 2 had been changed by 2 from 24....so were now living a time shifted consciousness.

Which would have displaced the male Adam and the female Adam to a male male life with and including the female life...x 3 included feed back by one extra.

For males see their natural male self in their own mind image. If you give a male another image of another male, not his own self, and then an image of a female, then CONSCIOUSNESS shifted and that was claimed to be involved in atmospheric AB OMENS of and in each nation.

Which means ground fusion/fission ION. Fus ION Fiss ION Nat ION.

How it was taught.

How you think today about the meaning AB OMINATION is what you are all wrong about. It was just a scientific reckoning of changed human behaviour.

ABBA was the cloak mantle of many coloured gases surrounding the body of Earth. Or coat of many colours.

Now that quote is proven scientific for we only live in ONE heavenly body...natural blue light day light.

Science did it...changed our nature by extra UFO metallic dispersed radiation mass....too much radiation for natural health and natural behaviour...but enough radiation to allow God cold clear fused stone gases to be ignited and burn.

What science did and it was a proven calculation theory...to say half of the Earths CHRIST gas mass is being irradiated unnaturally sacrificed...which gives ground fall radiation converting changes to the Nature.

AB BA the cloak of gas colours.
To measure in space of gases is not by depth it was by BREAD TH.

Th O Th O Th O was in fact the Egyptian numbers half man/half B EAST

+ L a quarter of the cross was lost in the atmosphere as the equating.

D L the loss from O pi above us in heavenly signals.

VEIL fell.

D fell evil by L
DEVIL the meaning burnt radiating wavelength of the gas spirit of the Heavens...changed Christ, sacrificed life on the ground as the Jesus Christ theme.

Measure is B read....a reading of DATA/a numbered equated review in natural history.

B read TH...a reading about numbers, relating to AB BA the gas mass constant.

Why the review said BC 0 AD...a back and forth historic reasoning over spatial 0 by the 4 ABCD

B C A D battle against God held AIN 0 spatial values, removal of God face stone...the 4 faces of God + on the cross.

"battle"
The meaning of Cad is "battle". Cad is generally used as a boy's name. It consists of 3 letters and 1 syllable and is pronounced Cad.

If you did correct studies about OCCULT fake themes....science formulas for machines....whose laws involve the building of the machine and its internal reaction...as being the ONLY relativity in science....then you would realize that science is the problem of life today.

By lying and keeping secrets and inferring superior intelligence and never telling the truth exactly how it should have been taught.

TH O TH was MATHS actually, it never was Holy Sophia.

The teaching is that MATHS is not holy in relevance to self.

Therefore it should not even be quoted as being Holy.

MATHS was used to artificially change the Nature of our life....and the scientists lied about it.

For if they introduced homo sexual behaviour in humans, then they would have introduced it in animals...and then in the Nature Garden, would see their fruit and vegetables owning sexual organs in changed radiation signals. Natural growth form changes.

20 Chilling Photos Of The Chernobyl Disaster

Ground FISSION

abnormal tomato growth chernobyl photo - Bing images

Aliens are now AB ducting us.

NOUN
  1. a tube or passageway in a building or machine for air, liquid, cables, etc..
    "leading the air through ducts in the floor" · 
    tube · channel · passage · canal · 
    [more]
VERB
  1. convey through a duct.
    "a ventilation system that must be ducted through the wall"

Channelled radiation causes.
10 Things in Nature That Look Like A Penis

Ask a male if you do not own self before as a human in any other bodies, and animals owned a penis.....if you looked back did you change the Garden Nature and evict us out....but left your MARK in the Garden?

I would say that you did.

And it is why the CHURCH would not allow you in their holy healing building for it was the Satanic homosexual group who attacked life after they were taught relativity that Jesus sacrificed life and mutated it.

The Church building existed as a healing practice in the Second coming of Jesus, owned stone melt attack....when radiation penetrated the stone face of God hence Nature in the ground changed its growth form....just as tomatoes did in Chernobyl.

shudhudh (abnormality), in Islam....AB normality.

The theme was stated to be the history of LOT.

L the radiation wing fall of the Old Testament. Meaning in history.

When the ground radiation of the Garden Nature was changed and homosexual behaviour was against natural God Laws...natural life...a CAUSE.

And it was discussed as a relative conscious AI meaning in p AI n and suffering itself, but a mentality/behaviour change.

Today is you asked a child molester, if you were castrated would it change your sexual behaviour towards the child? No is the answer.

The same for homosexuality....it was caused by radiation sacrificed CHRIST gas mass into Jesus Christ as a reading/medical detailed reasoning.

AB omen....is how it should be taught...and not abomination...for every human living today was born an innocent baby.

I believe that convicted child molesters should be chemically castrated. CMV : changemyview

When pheno MEN a studies state.....adult behaviours/memories are gained in little children in a reincarnation study that proved little children were collectively gaining the adult lived previous life as totally informed, then you would realise AI alienation of our life A LIE N...from L the quarter wing radiation fall out is real.

It was a real self advice about human behaviour in radiation science occult caused conditions....and it is why natural human sexual behaviour changed.

The OMEN......W omen....23.

The alphabetalphabetalpha said constant review of numbers/radiation fall out and loss of human memory and interchanged with radiation AI signal feed back instead was real, it was a scientific medical appraisal that proved it was real...and caused by radiation UFO occult science.

A to Z.....Z was given the x ero 2000 Holy zero.

X was timed as 24...had lost the HOLY 2000 value of Jesus 1000 and Satan 1000.

The statement a whole human family aligned to the heavenly Genetic history had been destroyed.

It stated categorically that when Jesus was saved as the Saviour 2012 probability return of spatial cooling amassing, the Messenger of stone, wandering star...that the family would have returned, historically it had been totally removed between natural 12 light of our Nature to mass burning introduction to 1....13 light mass burning...why it was given the M value and 1000.

As Mother AB omination.

Gases increased as burning mass did not equate to bio conditions of natural light....it equated 13 which was Revelation 22 illuminated day light cause......as night time gases were no longer just clear they were UFO burning.

As natural 12/12 balances allowed natural light to exist with support of cold clear night gases, supported natural light.

What the teaching of Jesus was.

Hence, I might not think homosexuality should exist....by memory spiritual notification of our first 2 parents....but I took the time to study spirituality to understand why it did exist.

Not everything that exists is originally natural.....for science, never natural was introduced.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Either that, or there is acceptance of who one was created to be. You can’t substantiate that God didn’t make homosexuals homosexuals. We can only go with what we can know. Most people I know (and I know a lot) feel they were made homosexual.

Scientists cannot go by "feel" at most times.

Have you asked gay friends and family these questions?

1) Did you feel estranged/distant from your same sex parent/guardian?

2) Were your first and subsequent sexual experiences with same sex partners?

3) Were your first sexual experiences prior to or after the onset of puberty?
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
What nonsense?

Even you agree that gay people have higher rates of self destructive behavior. You claim it's because we're gay. I'm claiming that it's because we're psychologically abused by people like you since childhood.

I've got decades of experience. Both personal, and statistical and anecdotal. I know what I'm talking about. Your opinions are based on your own choice and interpretation of ancient literature. Just like people who supported slavery and genocide and various forms of oppression did things.

Jesus Loves You is totally b.s. And you are yet more evidence of that.
Not that I needed more, I'm over 60 and have a lot of experience with Christianity.
Tom

My opinions regarding genetics, puberty and sexual imprinting are based on ancient literature? I'm incapable of understanding facts outside the Bible?

Equally suspect is to say I don't have experience in these matters. Homosexuals frequently had been sexually imprinted in their youth, often prepubescent youth, by same sex partners/abusers. There is also a prevalence of estrangement from the same sex parent/guardian, so that sexual expression is tied to the search for identity/belonging.

There is also, often, anger, like the anger you are expressing at me. There's no need to be anything but calm when defending your position, especially since you seem assured of your beliefs.

I encourage you to save yourself--this is not proselytizing but my desire for you to take a deep breath and be honest and soul searching of yourself, for yourself. There's a lot to risk here but also much possible reward.
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Oh please!

You're a born again Christian in the USA and you experience constant abuse and persecution?
For breathing/coming out of the closet/witnessing?

Seriously?
Tom

Yes, I'm also a born again Jew and was insulted and harangued just this week by several Jews. I've been told I'm a traitor, not part of my family, have no rights, have no intellectual honesty, am in denial. I get it! I get some, not all, of what you've experienced.

Born agains can lose employment and all kinds of constitutional rights when they "freely" express themselves, too.
 

Mitty

Active Member
My opinions regarding genetics, puberty and sexual imprinting are based on ancient literature? I'm incapable of understanding facts outside the Bible?

Equally suspect is to say I don't have experience in these matters. Homosexuals frequently had been sexually imprinted in their youth, often prepubescent youth, by same sex partners/abusers. There is also a prevalence of estrangement from the same sex parent/guardian, so that sexual expression is tied to the search for identity/belonging.

There is also, often, anger, like the anger you are expressing at me. There's no need to be anything but calm when defending your position, especially since you seem assured of your beliefs.

I encourage you to save yourself--this is not proselytizing but my desire for you to take a deep breath and be honest and soul searching of yourself, for yourself. There's a lot to risk here but also much possible reward.
Are homosexual clergymen imprinted by same-sex parents or are they so born from their mothers' wombs (Matt 19:12)?
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Are homosexual clergymen imprinted by same-sex parents or are they so born from their mothers' wombs (Matt 19:12)?

Imprinted--and some choose it for "convenience" since the Roman church (wrongly) forbids married elders.

By the way, Matthew is referring to asexuals, not homosexuals.
 

Mitty

Active Member
Imprinted--and some choose it for "convenience" since the Roman church (wrongly) forbids married elders.

By the way, Matthew is referring to asexuals, not homosexuals.
But do you have any actual evidence to support your claim that homosexual clergymen are imprinted by same-sex parents and are not so born from their mothers' wombs? Or is that just homophobic wishful thinking?

And since Jesus loved one particular disciple instead of a wife (John 21:7), is that why Jesus asked his followers to accept that some men do not marry because they are so born from their mothers' wombs (Matthew 19:12)?

And do you have any actual evidence that Jesus was a heterosexual, or was he asexual?
 
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sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Scientists cannot go by "feel" at most times.

Have you asked gay friends and family these questions?

1) Did you feel estranged/distant from your same sex parent/guardian?

2) Were your first and subsequent sexual experiences with same sex partners?

3) Were your first sexual experiences prior to or after the onset of puberty?
Yes I have — or the information has been given in conversation. I typically don’t grill people and stand in judgment of their sexuality.

In all cases:
1) No
2) No
3) after

Until we find a way of quantifying orientation, I’m prone to trust that people are astute enough, in most cases, to know how they’re oriented and when they became aware of it. I’m really uncomfortable looking for “problems” where none exist, simply in order satisfy my own scriptural biases, where human well-being is concerned. If they’re confused, I’ve found it’s fairly easy to tell, in most cases.
 

Mitty

Active Member
2) Were your first and subsequent sexual experiences with same sex partners?

3) Were your first sexual experiences prior to or after the onset of puberty?
Have you ever asked any homosexual clergymen if they were aware of their sexual orientation before or after puberty?
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Have you ever asked any homosexual clergymen if they were aware of their sexual orientation before or after puberty?

It doesn't matter about sexual orientation. If you're heterosexual and commit fornication or adultery and don't repent, you will perish. Same thing if someone commits illicit gay sex acts.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
It doesn't matter about sexual orientation. If you're heterosexual and commit fornication or adultery and don't repent, you will perish. Same thing if someone commits illicit gay sex acts.
Matt.7[1]"Judge not, that you be not judged.
[2] For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.
[3] Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?
 

Mitty

Active Member
It doesn't matter about sexual orientation. If you're heterosexual and commit fornication or adultery and don't repent, you will perish. Same thing if someone commits illicit gay sex acts.
Everyone perishes. And that's why no one has ever been to heaven (John 3:13) including ALL remarried divorcees, since they can't repent for their adultery unless they remain celibate and/or cut off their members and throw them away (Mark 10:11-12 Matt 5:27-30).
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Matt.7[1]"Judge not, that you be not judged.
[2] For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get.
[3] Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

<facepalm>

You need a lot of help with that topic, metis. For the record, Jesus is not saying that we cannot make judgments about people’s actions, he is saying that we should not be hypocrites if we do. In Matthew 7:5 he says, “You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck that is in your brothers eye.”

God acknowledges the legitimacy of civil authorities to judge: Romans 13:1-4: “Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. For he (the reigning authority) is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of God’s wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer.” (Also note Matthew 5:25; Acts 25:10-11)

God has commanded the church to make correct judgments: John 7:24: “Stop judging by mere appearances, and make a right judgment.”

Matthew 18:15-17: “If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses (note Deuteronomy 19:15). If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector .”

I Corinthians 6:4: “Therefore, if you have disputes about such matters, appoint as judges even men of little account in the church.”

God commands us to judge according to one’s ‘fruits’:

Matthew 7:17-20: “Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit…..every tree that does not bear good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.”

The Saints of Christ will judge the world, and angels:

I Corinthians 6:2: “Do you not know that the saints will judge the world?”

I Corinthians 6:3: “Do you not know that we will judge angels?”

Should no one ever be rebuked?

Jesus rebukes the teachers of the law and the Pharisees:

Matthew 23:27-28: “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean. In the same way, on the outside you appear to people as righteous but on the inside you are full of hypocrisy and wickedness.”

John the Baptist rebukes King Herod for adultery and other sins:

Luke 3:19: “But when John rebuked Herod the tetrarch because of Herodias, his brother’s wife, and all the other things he had done, Herod added this to them all: He locked John up in prison.”

Stephen rebukes the Jewish leaders:

Acts 7:51-53: “You stiff-necked people, with uncircumcised hearts and ears! You are just like your fathers: You always resist the Holy Spirit! Was there ever a prophet your fathers did not persecute? They even killed those who predicted the coming of the Righteous One. And now you have betrayed and murdered him – you who have received the law that was put into effect through angels but have not obeyed it.”

God uses people to warn others to turn from their sin:

“When I say to the wicked, ‘You wicked person, you will surely die,’ and you do not speak out to dissuade them from their ways, that wicked person will die for their sin, and I will hold you accountable for their blood. But if you do warn the wicked person to turn from their ways and they do not do so, they will die for their sin, though you yourself will be saved.” – Ezekiel 33

Also note all the Old Testament prophets who condemned sin and corrupt moral leadership, and who were persecuted for their discernment and duty.

Finally, when someone accuses you of being judgmental, are they themselves not being critical and judgmental in making that accusation?

But stay quiet, and evil will abound:

“The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to (say and) do nothing.” – Edmund Burke

So please update your theology on this.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
Everyone perishes. And that's why no one has ever been to heaven (John 3:13) including ALL remarried divorcees, since they can't repent for their adultery unless they remain celibate and/or cut off their members and throw them away (Mark 10:11-12 Matt 5:27-30).

What? Jesus is warning people that they're going to perish to heaven? LOL!!! In context with Revelation 21:8, etc., it's perishing to HELL.
 

Mitty

Active Member
What? Jesus is warning people that they're going to perish to heaven? LOL!!! In context with Revelation 21:8, etc., it's perishing to HELL.
And that's why all remarried divorcees will be tossed into the lake of fire.

And no one has ever been to heaven anyway (John 3:13) including Moses & Noah & Abraham, since they didn't repent and weren't born again.
 

Spartan

Well-Known Member
And that's why all remarried divorcees will be tossed into the lake of fire.

And no one has ever been to heaven anyway (John 3:13) including Moses & Noah & Abraham, since they didn't repent and weren't born again.

You need a lot of help with your theology.
 

Mitty

Active Member
You need a lot of help with your theology.
Have you ever read the bible?
If so, what evidence do you have that Moses & Noah & Abraham repented and went to heaven, given that John 3:13 clearly says that they didn't?
And do you have any actual evidence that remarried divorcees are not tossed into the lake of fire because of their unrepentant adultery (Mark 10:11-12)?
Or don't you believe what the bible actually says?
 
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