Christmas & Santa are agents of evil sent by Satan the Devil

Feathers in Hair · Dec 20, 2004

Circle_One said:
Hmmm..well then I guess it's good that I celebrate The Winter Solstice/Yule and not CHRISTmas then. As well as not believing in either a heaven or a hell, looks like I've got nothing to worry about.

*dances the happy pagan dance with Circle One*

Seriously, though, t3gah, it sounds as if the issues from your childhood are affecting your perception of what most others percieve as an innocent holiday. Can you seek counselling from your pastor/priest/ whomever? I only suggest this because it seems as if, otherwise, one would be so frustrated that it would begin to effect their mood. You are, of course, entitled to your beliefs. Thankfully, we all are.

Circle_One · Dec 20, 2004

So my friend, Hell, the fiery inferno that everyone is scared of or thinks of doesn't exist at all. It, Hell, is the grave where everyone is going including the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.

One cannot be afraid of something one does not believe in T3gah, so my mention of "hell" has nothing to do with fear. When I die, yes my body with go into the grave (should I choose to be buried rather than cremated), but my soul will return to the earth from whence it came to give life back to the nature that in turn gave me life. Such a pretty little circle.

*dances the happy pagan dance with Circle One*

I love the happy Pagan dance! *Pulls out broomstick*

SoulTYPE · Dec 20, 2004

t3gah said:
So my friend, Hell, the fiery inferno that everyone is scared of or thinks of doesn't exist at all. It, Hell, is the grave where everyone is going including the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.:biglaugh:

t3gah, you have made a good impact with this. And you do about it such a comic manner.

It's people like you that make a good discussion.

I do not believe that Hell is a fiery inferno either. It more describes a mental state of mind. Or a condition. If a man were trapped on an island with no food or water, that could be described as "Hell" to him. I will not pursue my part any further on hell as there is already a thread on Hell (somewhere).

t3gah

t3gah · Dec 20, 2004

lady_lazarus said:
Look, having just read your last post, it seems pretty obvious that you have some issues...not with Christmas, but with your parents. This whole 'Christmas is a big lie!' thing seems more to be 'my parents told me a big lie!' thing. There are plenty of people who grow into well adjusted adults despite the fact that their parents mislead them for years as to the existence of Santa...for many people the Santa fantasy is something they happily continue with their own children. I would suggest that instead of transferring your issues onto Christmas, you work out what it was you feel your parents lied to you about that actually WAS an issue (on closer inspection you sound rather like the badly affected child of a divorce they never saw coming) and deal with that. You'll be better off in the long run...perhaps when you've dealt with the real problem you can move on and get back some of the joy you used to get from Christmas.

I see, so what you are saying is to replace the word "lie" with "fantasy" and everything will be "OK". Yup, I get it now. That's how all those other families have kept the tradition of Christmas going. They made their children believe it's a fantasy. I'm glad I know it was a lie because I'm a better person because of it. Just think of those poor children and the future children going along with the fantasy when the rest of the world knows it as either a lie or the true. Mass confusion at schools everywhere!

What "joy" is there in perpetuating the lie of Christmas? :sarcastic

Circle_One · Dec 20, 2004

Just think of those poor children and the future children going along with the fantasy when the rest of the world knows it as either a lie or the true. Mass confusion at schools everywhere!

All those poor children? Hundreds of thousands of children before you have lived and grown up to find out Santa Claus isn't real and they do not grow to become deranged people with extreme psychological problems. You are the first I've ever heard saying anything like this about Christmas, so what does that tell you?

What "joy" is there in perpetuating the lie of Christmas?

Where is the harm in allowing children this joy? I highly doubt your God is looking down upon the world thinking about how billions of his followers will now not be granted access into heaven simply because they follow the tradition of Christmas.

Mister Emu · Dec 20, 2004

So my friend, Hell, the fiery inferno that everyone is scared of or thinks of doesn't exist at all. It, Hell, is the grave where everyone is going including the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses

Sorry, this is OT, Hell is not the fiery inferno that everyone associates it with, that is the lake of fire.

Well almost everyone. One hundred and forty four thousand are already in heaven as we speak just like the book of Revelation (Apocalypse) states.

*** Rbi8 Revelation 7:4-8 ***
4 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel:
5 Out of the tribe of Judah twelve thousand sealed;
out of the tribe of Reu'ben twelve thousand;
out of the tribe of Gad twelve thousand;
6 out of the tribe of Ash'er twelve thousand;
out of the tribe of Naph'taÂ·li twelve thousand;
out of the tribe of MaÂ·nas'seh twelve thousand;
7 out of the tribe of Sim'eÂ·on twelve thousand;
out of the tribe of Le'vi twelve thousand;
out of the tribe of Is'saÂ·char twelve thousand;
8 out of the tribe of Zeb'uÂ·lun twelve thousand;
out of the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand;
out of the tribe of Benjamin twelve thousand sealed.

The 144k are going to be on earth around the end.

Rev. 9:4

they were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any green growth or any tree, but only those of mankind who have not the seal of God upon their foreheads;

Who are those of mankind who do have the seal on their foreheads?

Rev. 7:3-4

3 saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God upon their foreheads." 4 And I heard the number of the sealed, a hundred and forty-four thousand sealed, out of every tribe of the sons of Israel,

The 144K.

On topic from now on.

I personally agree with T3gah to a degree, I see no reason to lie to my children, if I have children, if they have joy on Christmas it should be that Jesus was born(not necessarily on that day), not about some guy in a red suit giving them presents.

Circle_One · Dec 20, 2004

I personally agree with T3gah to a degree, I see no reason to lie to my children, if I have children, if they have joy on Christmas it should be that Jesus was born(not necessarily on that day), not about some guy in a red suit giving them presents.

Yes, but do you feel those that DO celebrate Christmas, with all its odd traditions of fat men in red suits and flying reindeer will "Join the father of the lie at Armageddon when he is destroyed" and "Lose out on being one of God's earthly children for all eternity"?

SoulTYPE · Dec 20, 2004

Damn hard to agree with everyone here. They all have valid points. But, with the thread title, I do not see how people celberating in the "Santa" tradition is considered "serving the agents of Satan".

Serving the act of marketing yes.

Mister Emu · Dec 20, 2004

Yes, but do you feel those that DO celebrate Christmas, with all its odd traditions of fat men in red suits and flying reindeer will "Join the father of the lie at Armageddon when he is destroyed" and "Lose out on being one of God's earthly children for all eternity"?

No. I do not.

Circle_One · Dec 20, 2004

And I completely didn't expect you to. I think it's perfectly fine for anyone to feel however they want about Christmas, or anything for that matter. I may disagree, but who cares, we all have our own opinions, right? But the fact that T3gah is saying that those who follow Christmas traditions are followers of Satan...was just a bit much for me.

I mean, I've been told I'd go to hell for many reasons...but for celebrating Christmas? That's a first, lol :biglaugh:

SoulTYPE · Dec 20, 2004

That is based if it is coming from a Christian's view, C1. It is not what you celberate, but how you celberate it, that makes the people tell you to go hell.

C E L E B E R A T E

is that correct dammit

Circle_One · Dec 20, 2004

C E L E B E R A T E

is that correct dammit

No darling, sorry but it's not. There's no E between the B and the R.

Aside from that, I know they are condemning me for what I practice (though not all do..actually as of late very few have), but I was just saying that I have been condemned for practicing Paganism, but never have I been condemned for such a mundane thing as celebrating a certain holiday. (Though I do not infact celebrate "Christmas", but rather Yule).

Mister Emu · Dec 21, 2004

Circle, I have a question,

Which Pagan religion do you follow, if there is a certain one?

Circle_One · Dec 21, 2004

It's a little hard to put into words Mister Emu, but I'll try to make sense of it.

I would be considered Isisian because the main tradition I follow is The Cult of Isis. (An Ancient Egyptian Tradition, that is no longer widespread). However, most of my teens years was spent studying and understand Dianic Wicca with my mother, (she converted when I was about 12), so some of my beliefs stem from that. Still other beliefs come from older Pagan religions such as Druidism and some Celtic traditions. However, turning back to The Cult of Isis, my Mother Goddess is Isis and my God, her consort Osiris.

Mister Emu · Dec 21, 2004

Thanks, I was just wondering because pagan is a very broad term.

Circle_One · Dec 21, 2004

Not a problem. Yeah, I know, Pagan is an umbrella term, I just used that because not many people are familiar with either the Isisian tradition or the Cult of Isis itself.

Quoth The Raven · Dec 21, 2004

t3gah said:
I see, so what you are saying is to replace the word "lie" with "fantasy" and everything will be "OK". Yup, I get it now. That's how all those other families have kept the tradition of Christmas going. They made their children believe it's a fantasy. I'm glad I know it was a lie because I'm a better person because of it. Just think of those poor children and the future children going along with the fantasy when the rest of the world knows it as either a lie or the true. Mass confusion at schools everywhere!

What "joy" is there in perpetuating the lie of Christmas? :sarcastic

Christmas has been around for longer than you or I, or our parents, or our grandparents. Where has the mass confusion been up until now? How many people are in therapy because they found out Santa doesn't really come down a chimney the house doesn't even have and leave presents under the tree? You're the only person I've ever come across in my life that takes this veiwpoint.
Honestly, even if you still choose not to have some sort of celebration in December, I strongly suggest you seek some form of resolution to this problem you have with what you perceive as your parents lies. Get that out of your system...you need to.

Quoth The Raven · Dec 21, 2004

Never assumed you were anything other than an adult...doesn't mean you don't still have unaddressed childhood issues.
I like the Jehovas Witnesses.
The local congregation went up a mountain in the not too distant past to get away from the flood that was coming to cleanse the world of non-believers...they were quite sheepish when they returned to their jobs on the Monday to find their workmates making swimming motions with their arms as they walked around.:biglaugh:

SoulTYPE · Dec 21, 2004

t3g4H(sounds like Sega lol)

Is it being implied that Santa is merely a marketing scheme brought on to promote the act of buying goods, and more importantly, is it also impied that celebrating Christmas in the traditional Santa method is to try and keep people believing in what Christmas was all about in the first place?

t3gah · Dec 21, 2004

SoulTYPE01 said:
t3g4H (sounds like Sega lol)

I have four words for you on this matter:

Get your eyes examined

Christmas & Santa are agents of evil sent by Satan the Devil

Do you believe it is wrong to celebrate Christmas or Christ Mass?

Yes. It is ok to celebrate Christmas or Christ Mass

No. It is NOT ok to celebrate Christmas or Christ Mass

I'm not sure

Who cares?!

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