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Tattoos.

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
From a previous thread. it was brought up that tattoos are rebellious, unless of culture significance, and could be expressed through alternative methods of display, such as a necklace.

Would you deem a tattoo of a pentagram on your forehead as being an expression of rebellion or self-estimation? Would the same tat be regarded as a lesser or more tepidly expressive bodily adornment when inked upon your arm instead? Why not a pierced series of metallic studs outlining a pentagram in your cheek instead? Does that adornment "say" something more than a worn medallion about the neck?
I personally do not think the location changes ones devotion to a cause if a symbolic tattoo is placed on the arm, forehead, or any where else.
My pentagram necklace can be easily removed, by myself, others, or getting it caught in something. A tattoo is not easily removed, and IMO, shows more dedication, as it does involve pain to get, and are permanent (unless you cough up a ton of money to have them removed).
And, I see the body as a temple that should be decorated. A room is decorated with posters, pictures, and other things of interest. An altar is decorated with symbols of patron gods, stones, and items that make it more personalised. Why not 'decorate' your body if desired in a manner to show interests, faith, symbols, etc.?
 

FatMan

Well-Known Member
What if interests and faith's change?

You think Tom Arnold is really happy to have a big "Rosanne" scripted on his buttocks right about now?
 

klubbhead024

Active Member
Thats why I'm glad I only have 1 tatoo... a Detroit old english D on my arm. No matter what, I will always be from Detroit, that can't change
 

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
Personally, I don't much care if someone wants to stick a 4 inch spike through their nose to demonstrate their “originality”. Likewise, as I saw recently in a Jeff Foxworthy video, when you are young and get a tattoo of a hummingbird on your butt, bear in mind that when you are 50 it is going to being to resemble a large vulture.

I don't know how much "urban myth" it is but apparently law enforcement LOVE people with tattoos.

I admit I am prejudiced. I do not wear any kind of rings, watch, chains or jewelry and stopped doing so in my late teens. It also wouldn't occur to me to get a tattoo or to get part of my body pierced unnecessarily, but that's just me.

I'm wondering though, how does going through the metal detectors affect people with say 50 studs on their left ear? (Assuming, of course, that those metals trigger said detectors.) (I think I’d be more worried about the angry people behind me than the security people.)
 

Gentoo

The Feisty Penguin
I LOVE my tattoo! It's very symbolic and very me, it's not something that I can honestly see changing about me. I have a snake coiled all the way around my arm. It hurt a lot, but nothing I couldn't take, that's part of the challenge, if you want it badly enough, you'll take the pain associated. I put a lot of thought into my design before I even got it priced, and made sure that I really wanted it and that I wanted it there. I got it last April and love it, I made the right decision.

People, okay my family, have been saying "You know that's permanent, right?" Well to tell the truth, it's a little late now! ;) But like the OP, I feel that the body is something to be decorated, and I happen to have 3 more tattoo plans in the works :)
 

EnhancedSpirit

High Priestess
I love my tats as well, I have 3, all unicorns.

I think there are a lot of people who get tattoos that later regret it, but I think that's because it has become so acceptable. Back in the day, you needed to be serious about getting one, because chances were that you would be banned from your family and couldn't get a job if you had tattoos. Now there are tattoo artists all over the place. And society does not view tattoo wearers nearly as bad as they used to.

What is this post about? Is there a question in there I was supposed to answer? Oh, well,

*dips out*
 

twirlybirdy

Member
Personally, I have no tatoos, why would someone want to have a permenent something on them. I mean when you get older your skin gets saggy so will the tatoo. I don't know. I'm just not a fan of it. (girls who get tatoos on their tummy, then have babies, hmmm strechy, that looks pretty)
 
i have quite a few tats. I have a really cool tattoo planned for soon. If you watch the full metal alchemist its the full arm of the character scar I like the symbolism of Scar's message. I also have alot tattoos for my friends that have passed. And one to represent the balance of good and evil. There is no way that I will ever think twice about any tattoo I put alot of thought and time to design or think about a specific one. I have many planned when I have the cash. :(
 

standing_alone

Well-Known Member
I only have one tattoo right now, but I plan on getting more when I have the cash to do so.

I love tattoos because I admire the artistic quality of well-done tattoos. But even more important to me is the meaning behind what I have and plan on having inked on my flesh. The tattoo I have now and the ones I plan on getting have significant meaning to me and for me, that's the most important thing to think about when considering a tattoo. Though, sure, if I live to old age, my skin will become wrinkled and the tattoo won't look the same as it did when I was young and my skin more taut, but the meaning behind the tattoo/s will still be there and when I look at them I will know why I felt compelled to have them done and the circumstances surrounding them. That's what I like about tattoos.
 

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
For me, tattoos are another form of expression and I do believe they show a certain level of dedication to something. I have a bunch of my favorite fictional characters tattooed on me. I don't mind that some of them aren't as interesting to me as they were when I got them because I appreciate them for what they are...memories. When I look at those tattoos, I remember when I got them...I remember why I liked them and I remember what was going on in my life at that time...who I was friends with, where I worked, etc.

Honestly, I don't feel bad for most people who have tattoos that they no longer like. 9 times out of 10, it could have been prevented if they had used some sense when they got inked. I don't really see any drawbacks to tattoos. If you don't like them, you obviously shouldn't get one, but I've never seen an argument against tattoos that I found even remotely compelling.
 

Circle_One

Well-Known Member
I'm with Danisty on this one (no surprise there since we tend to always agree when it comes to ink :D).

At the moment, I've got 16 tattoos and 13 piercings.

I love every single tattoo I have on me as each represents a phase in my life that I went through. Whether I'm still in that phase or not, each still represents something that was important to me at the time and something that has helped shape who I've become. And that is important to me. It's important for me to always remember who I was, where I've been, what I've become and what has led me here. My ink represents all of that and I am proud to be permanently adorned with all 16 of them.

I also agree with not once finding any argument against tattoos compelling enough to make me not get one. If you don't want one, that's perfectly fine, don't get one, but don't try to talk me out of them and don't look down on me for having them and being proud to have them.

As for Twirlybird's statement about women getting tattoos on their stomach and then becoming pregnant...

Been there, done that, have the non-stretched, perfectly in shape tattoo on my stomach to prove it. Not one line of it was stretched. It's just as perfect as the day I got it 11 years ago when I was 14.
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
Luke Wolf said:
From a previous thread. it was brought up that tattoos are rebellious, unless of culture significance, and could be expressed through alternative methods of display, such as a necklace.

I personally do not think the location changes ones devotion to a cause if a symbolic tattoo is placed on the arm, forehead, or any where else.
My pentagram necklace can be easily removed, by myself, others, or getting it caught in something. A tattoo is not easily removed, and IMO, shows more dedication, as it does involve pain to get, and are permanent (unless you cough up a ton of money to have them removed).
And, I see the body as a temple that should be decorated. A room is decorated with posters, pictures, and other things of interest. An altar is decorated with symbols of patron gods, stones, and items that make it more personalised. Why not 'decorate' your body if desired in a manner to show interests, faith, symbols, etc.?
As you chose to quote my contribution without attribution, I will acknowledge the noted inquiry (and OP topic) as my own, referenced originally here.

I submit that the location of any "tat" does matter, which is why most are NOT facial tattoos. A depiction of Tweety Bird inked forever on your forehead makes a "statement"of something that you wish every person you encounter to observe and ponder upon (tho' I confess that I don't fully apreciate what a tat of Tweety Bird on a forehaed "really says" about anything, other that an affection for Looney Tunes art).

I have met and cared to enjoin others in conversation regarding their body art, and fully 95% of them have no "deeper meaning" attached to their inked adornments beyond some "spur of the moment" motivation to indulge an alcohol-induced moment of courage, or careless discard of personal inhibition. It may be fair to observe and conclude that many folks are not especially inhibited in engaging "one-night stands" in sexually promiscuous indulgenges, but few would care to advertise a singualr moment of activity or indiscretion by ingraving/inking "I slept with someone last weekend, whose name escapes me now" on their forehead as some expression of personalized individuality or unique character. Placing such a phrase just above your asscrack is not only more subtle, but seems more appropriate when your proclivities are reserved for that "special someone" in that next expression of one's self in a "one-nighter".

Be it age, wisdom, better discretion, or just dumb luck and fortuitous circumstance, I have never sought to either express or define myself by means of "body art" or extraneous additions of metal-filled holes in my flesh. I would only care to remind all that tats (or bodily piercings) are hardly new to the current generation and culture, and were quite available in my own days of obstinate and carefree youth.

I still say that there remains both capable rationale and discretion in cultural avoidance of electing to have a Celtic rune, Chinese chracter, or favored phrase of philosophical reflection permanently tattooed between one's eyebrows, versus a more discrete placement of same on one's arm, ankle, or immediately above an asscrack.

If one thinks that the Chinese symbol for "love" speaks to the very essence of one's own personal perspective, then why not have such a representative charcater forever emblazoned upon one's forehead as a proclamational testament of one's own philosophy? Would the same sentiment have any less impact or meaning if it were presented in English letters?
Why not have L-O-V-E tattoed on your forehead instead?
After all, who doesn't believe in love?
Say it loud, say it proud!
Decorate yourself with feeling, and pure heart!
Why not?

Why not, indeed?

Maybe it's because even most intemperous youth realize that they are indeed fickle, and prone to influences and ideas that might very well change in time..., and that they do not wish to bear the inequities of thoughtless indulgence as an expression of individuality or self-expression as public testimony of same when their grandchildren inquire of them, "Why do you have tattoos on your forehead, grandma?"

Maybe, just maybe, you'll have enough wisdom and experience to encourage the 14-year-old niece that wants to have her clitoris pierced to accomodate the really cool crucifix-ring that she will insert there, as a matter of "artistic expression" and "individualistic self". No doubt her 24-year old boyfriend with the boa constrictor tattoo on his penis, and chrome-stud piercing though his glans, will be impresed with her developed appreciation of what truly constitutes art, and humanistic free will...at "the altar" of belief.

Perhaps, and this is just a stretch of some nutty opinion here...but maybe people are better defined and identified by what they say and do, instead of what they wear, or care to adorn themselves by means of bodily mutilation...as some sort of meaningful or impactful expression of individuality.

I note and submit Neil Armstrong as example.

Armstrong was a naval aviator, seeing combat during the Korean War. He was a test pilot of experiemental aircraft, until he was chosen to become an astronaut with NASA. Armstrong was the first human to set foot on any firm terrain beyond Earth itself. Armstrong was a soldier, patriot, pioneer, and explorer going where no one had gone before. Courage, honor, integrity, duty, and passion for excellence were his hallmarks and benchmarks for living. Armstrong bears neither tattoo nor bodily piercing as overt testimony of his individuality, his personality, his appreciation of human artistic expression, or inspired pursuit of the unknown. His deeds define his being.

I have to wonder why Neil Armstrong doesn't embellish his body with inked art, or extraneous metallic objects...yet others think themselves as courageous, special, artistic, or extraordinary because they bear at "tat" of Tweety BIrd above their asscrack...on second thought, it's no wonder at all.
 

ChrisP

Veteran Member
Circle_One said:
It's just as perfect as the day I got it 11 years ago when I was 14.
Heh.... heheheh.... hehehehehe ;)

Here's to well-spent youths :drunk:

I only have one tattoo, and it's the central idea in my mindset. In the immortal words of a gentleman taped by Roger Waters "I was very drunk at the time"... I had it cleaned up and redone recently, once I'd realised how much it meant. Things that have meaning are never rebellious, unless of course the meaning is rebellion.

As to location of a tattoo, I agree with S2A in that if it is in a position that is public, it is something you want other people to notice. If this seems like common sense, you can congratulate yourself in being commonly sensical.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I'm going to get one, maybe two tattoos with my tax return check this year.
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I'm going to have that face, in black, with the phrase "DOWN WITH THE SICKNESS" around it, in sloppy, sketchy letters.
I'm also going to get the guy tattoed on me.
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And I'm going to get this on my hand.
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Yes, I LOVE Disturbed.
 

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
s2a said:
Be it age, wisdom, better discretion, or just dumb luck and fortuitous circumstance, I have never sought to either express or define myself by means of "body art" or extraneous additions of metal-filled holes in my flesh. I would only care to remind all that tats (or bodily piercings) are hardly new to the current generation and culture, and were quite available in my own days of obstinate and carefree youth.
I don't think you'll find serious tattoo fans claiming that tattoos are new. In fact, I think for real fans of the art, the fact that tattooing is an ancient practice is very appealing.

s2a said:
Maybe it's because even most intemperous youth realize that they are indeed fickle, and prone to influences and ideas that might very well change in time..., and that they do not wish to bear the inequities of thoughtless indulgence as an expression of individuality or self-expression as public testimony of same when their grandchildren inquire of them, "Why do you have tattoos on your forehead, grandma?"
Or maybe it's because everyone knows that such a tattoo would look like bad on the forehead. I can think of a lot of tattoos that would be beautiful on the forehead though.

s2a said:
Maybe, just maybe, you'll have enough wisdom and experience to encourage the 14-year-old niece that wants to have her clitoris pierced to accomodate the really cool crucifix-ring that she will insert there, as a matter of "artistic expression" and "individualistic self". No doubt her 24-year old boyfriend with the boa constrictor tattoo on his penis, and chrome-stud piercing though his glans, will be impresed with her developed appreciation of what truly constitutes art, and humanistic free will...at "the altar" of belief.
I would caution the niece that piercing the clitoris is dangerous because it can cause a of loss of sensation. I would suggest that when she is of legal age, she get her clitoral hood pierced since that is safer and causes pleasant stimulation for most women. I would also suggest that she does not put a crucifix-ring in it as that would more than likely catch on her underwear and tear her clitoral hood in half.

s2a said:
Perhaps, and this is just a stretch of some nutty opinion here...but maybe people are better defined and identified by what they say and do, instead of what they wear, or care to adorn themselves by means of bodily mutilation...as some sort of meaningful or impactful expression of individuality.
Is it a stretch of the imagination that you could have made your point without belittling people with tattoos and piercings?

s2a said:
I have to wonder why Neil Armstrong doesn't embellish his body with inked art, or extraneous metallic objects...yet others think themselves as courageous, special, artistic, or extraordinary because they bear at "tat" of Tweety BIrd above their asscrack...on second thought, it's no wonder at all.
Perhaps Neil Armstrong simply doesn't like tattoos. :rolleyes:
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
I realize that size is a big determining factor, but how much do tatoos cost these days anyway?
 

Ðanisty

Well-Known Member
Katzpur said:
I realize that size is a big determining factor, but how much do tatoos cost these days anyway?
Tattoos are generally priced by the hour rather than by size. Even if you pick out a flash piece that's already been designed, the artist has figured out how long it will take him to do that piece and priced it accordingly. An hour's work usually costs between $100 and $200 depending on where you get your work done.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Ðanisty said:
Tattoos are generally priced by the hour rather than by size. Even if you pick out a flash piece that's already been designed, the artist has figured out how long it will take him to do that piece and priced it accordingly. An hour's work usually costs between $100 and $200 depending on where you get your work done.
Wow! I'm in the wrong business! :D
 

Circle_One

Well-Known Member
Katzpur said:
Wow! I'm in the wrong business! :D

Sadly, the artist themself doesn't make all of what they charge for a tattoo, or even most of it.

A lot of tattoo artists will work on the side, out of their own houses, to make more money. That way they can give their friends reasonable prices and not have to give the majority of what they make back to the shop.
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Circle_One said:
Sadly, the artist themself doesn't make all of what they charge for a tattoo, or even most of it.

A lot of tattoo artists will work on the side, out of their own houses, to make more money. That way they can give their friends reasonable prices and not have to give the majority of what they make back to the shop.
But if you were the shop owner, it sounds as if you could make a decent living this way. Obviously, you'd have to be both pretty creative and also a good businessman.
 
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