Proof of Islam?

Aupmanyav said:

How can they know about God when God hides himself from the world. He has never shown his presence. Has he come to stop Corona virus? Did he come to help the people of Aceh in earthquakes or tsunamis? Did he appear in Japan to stop American atomic bombing? Did he come to Syria and Iraq to stop atrocities on women by followers of Abu-Bakr al-Baghdadi? Do you mean that all who worship God/Allah are uneducated? You say strange things. Is it because of your faith?

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Why would God stop the things that he is mass murdering people with and through on purpose?

Duncan said:

Well brother a friend in Israel who follow that cult offered me the books and made me promise to read them and give him my opinion, and as mentioned previously, the Baha‘i follow the teaching of Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri (1817-1892) whose title is Baha’ullah which mean in Arabic (‘The Splendor of God’). As opposed to Muslims who believe Prophet Muhammad to be God’s last prophet to humanity, Baha’ullah believed himself to be the prophet foretold by Sayid Ali Muhammad Shirazi, the founder of the Babi movement. Baha’ullah contradicted the Muslim belief that Abraham, Moses, and Jesus were prophets and not divine. He taught, instead, that God had become manifest in many different forms such as Abraham, Moses, Zoroaster, the Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, the ‘Bab’ and Baha’ullah himself. Baha’ullah is not, however, the final and definitive manifestation of God. Other prophets will come, but not for at least 1000 years.

This belief opposes the most fundamental aspect of Islam, which is the distinction made between the creation and the Creator. Islam firmly believes that God is separate and distinct from His creation, and that He never did or will become human. The prophets He sent were fully human, but chosen to deliver His message to humanity. Worship is to be rendered to God only, and not to any created being. Nest in importance to this belief is the belief is that Muhammad was the last and final prophet sent to all of humanity, and the message of Islam is the final message of God, and none other will come until the Day of Judgment. These two principles form the basis and most fundamental principle of Islamic faith, the first pillar of Islam, one clearly contradicted in Baha’i faith.

There are no initiation rites, priesthood or sacraments in the Baha’i religion. However, Baha’is do have certain duties, and are obliged to pray every day (although their prayer is different from that practiced by Muslims); they are also obliged to meet on the first day of each Baha’i month for celebration; to fast from dawn to sunset during the month of ‘Ala (while Muslims fast in Ramadan); to avoid drugs or alcohol; to avoid membership of political parties; and to observe particular holy days such as the birth of Baha’ullah and the martyrdom of the ‘Bab’. Emphasis is placed in their propagation on the unity of humanity and the absolute equality of men and women, and the Baha’is see themselves as working towards the establishment of a world government which will eradicate extremes of wealth and poverty.

previously I talked about the Baha ulla claims to be God, also the Baha’i pride themselves on the Twelve Principles or twelve teachings, which they promulgate. Baha’i speakers focus heavily on these principles considering that these are the best that can be found in any religion. Seven out of the twelve Principles revolve around Unity. You have :

Unity in the political realm.

Unity in the worldly matters.

Unity in freedom.

Unity in religion.

Unity in the nation.

Unity in the tongue.

Unity in genealogy.

Nevertheless, Baha’i history and doctrine contravene these principles. The Baha’is killed Mohammad Ibrahim by throwing him into the river Tigris for not believing in Baha’ullah’s call you can read that yourself in the Book of Haji Maftoon p23. They attempted to assassinate Nasiruddin Shah, the king of Iran. Baha’ullah killed one hundred and thirty people in one night and plundered their belongings.Again you can verify that in Nuktatul Qaf p161 Baha’ullah ill treated his brother Subhe Azal and Abdul-Baha did worse to his brother Mohammad Ali. Ironically, among the Baha’is themselves there are at least two major divisions at loggerheads with each other - the 3rd generation Baha’i and the Orthodox Baha’i. Lastly, the Baha’is have yet to officially announce the alphabet of the new language they have invented for every person in the world.

There are various intolerant ideas preached by the Baha’is found in the Babi cult before them which have no basis in Islam:

“Babis! God has made war obligatory upon you. Capture cities and people for Babism.” you have that in Bayan chapter 1

“Do not let those who do not believe in the Bayan remain on the earth.” Bayan chapter 1

“Snatch the wealth of those who do not believe in the Bayan.” Bayan Arabic chapter 5

“Rejecters of Bab! Even if you take a bath 1000 times in a day, you shall remain unclean.” Bayan chapter 2

“Whatever belongings of the non-Babis come into possession of the Babis they become clean.” Bayan chapter 4

You know the good thing is when you study other religion and compare them to the religion of God, you can notice the big gap. The Baha’is differ from Muslims in the most fundamental Islamic beliefs and practices. Their leaders have made extraordinary claims to divinity similar to other religious cults. Although they seem to preach peace and unity, their history has been marred by violence. Their history and original teachings also contradict their averred concept of world peace and gender equality.

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So in what way is Trailblazer denying that Baha'Ullah is God in person?

Trailblazer said:

I understand what you are saying about omnipresence and dependence on God, but God being everywhere is just a bit difficult to grasp with my finite mind.

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Why? Where do you think God is? The idea in its basest form can be understood as the presence of air here and where you are. In reality, there is only experience, it is encompassed within Allah who is Like Nothing and Nowhere, there is no real space or space outside of Allah, there is only Allah who is non-dimensional, spaceless, like nothing, and "stuff" which is manifested within and dependent on Allah, but for an easier grasp, the illusory mass presence of Air and space for movement for example are two things you are used to being all around.

Duncan said:

Well brother a friend in Israel who follow that cult offered me the books and made me promise to read them and give him my opinion, and as mentioned previously, the Baha‘i follow the teaching of Mirza Husayn Ali Nuri (1817-1892) whose title is Baha’ullah which mean in Arabic (‘The Splendor of God’). As opposed to Muslims who believe Prophet Muhammad to be God’s last prophet to humanity, Baha’ullah believed himself to be the prophet foretold by Sayid Ali Muhammad Shirazi, the founder of the Babi movement. Baha’ullah contradicted the Muslim belief that Abraham, Moses, and Jesus were prophets and not divine. He taught, instead, that God had become manifest in many different forms such as Abraham, Moses, Zoroaster, the Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, the ‘Bab’ and Baha’ullah himself. Baha’ullah is not, however, the final and definitive manifestation of God. Other prophets will come, but not for at least 1000 years.

This belief opposes the most fundamental aspect of Islam, which is the distinction made between the creation and the Creator. Islam firmly believes that God is separate and distinct from His creation, and that He never did or will become human. The prophets He sent were fully human, but chosen to deliver His message to humanity. Worship is to be rendered to God only, and not to any created being. Nest in importance to this belief is the belief is that Muhammad was the last and final prophet sent to all of humanity, and the message of Islam is the final message of God, and none other will come until the Day of Judgment. These two principles form the basis and most fundamental principle of Islamic faith, the first pillar of Islam, one clearly contradicted in Baha’i faith.

There are no initiation rites, priesthood or sacraments in the Baha’i religion. However, Baha’is do have certain duties, and are obliged to pray every day (although their prayer is different from that practiced by Muslims); they are also obliged to meet on the first day of each Baha’i month for celebration; to fast from dawn to sunset during the month of ‘Ala (while Muslims fast in Ramadan); to avoid drugs or alcohol; to avoid membership of political parties; and to observe particular holy days such as the birth of Baha’ullah and the martyrdom of the ‘Bab’. Emphasis is placed in their propagation on the unity of humanity and the absolute equality of men and women, and the Baha’is see themselves as working towards the establishment of a world government which will eradicate extremes of wealth and poverty.

previously I talked about the Baha ulla claims to be God, also the Baha’i pride themselves on the Twelve Principles or twelve teachings, which they promulgate. Baha’i speakers focus heavily on these principles considering that these are the best that can be found in any religion. Seven out of the twelve Principles revolve around Unity. You have :

Unity in the political realm.

Unity in the worldly matters.

Unity in freedom.

Unity in religion.

Unity in the nation.

Unity in the tongue.

Unity in genealogy.

Nevertheless, Baha’i history and doctrine contravene these principles. The Baha’is killed Mohammad Ibrahim by throwing him into the river Tigris for not believing in Baha’ullah’s call you can read that yourself in the Book of Haji Maftoon p23. They attempted to assassinate Nasiruddin Shah, the king of Iran. Baha’ullah killed one hundred and thirty people in one night and plundered their belongings.Again you can verify that in Nuktatul Qaf p161 Baha’ullah ill treated his brother Subhe Azal and Abdul-Baha did worse to his brother Mohammad Ali. Ironically, among the Baha’is themselves there are at least two major divisions at loggerheads with each other - the 3rd generation Baha’i and the Orthodox Baha’i. Lastly, the Baha’is have yet to officially announce the alphabet of the new language they have invented for every person in the world.

There are various intolerant ideas preached by the Baha’is found in the Babi cult before them which have no basis in Islam:

“Babis! God has made war obligatory upon you. Capture cities and people for Babism.” you have that in Bayan chapter 1

“Do not let those who do not believe in the Bayan remain on the earth.” Bayan chapter 1

“Snatch the wealth of those who do not believe in the Bayan.” Bayan Arabic chapter 5

“Rejecters of Bab! Even if you take a bath 1000 times in a day, you shall remain unclean.” Bayan chapter 2

“Whatever belongings of the non-Babis come into possession of the Babis they become clean.” Bayan chapter 4

You know the good thing is when you study other religion and compare them to the religion of God, you can notice the big gap. The Baha’is differ from Muslims in the most fundamental Islamic beliefs and practices. Their leaders have made extraordinary claims to divinity similar to other religious cults. Although they seem to preach peace and unity, their history has been marred by violence. Their history and original teachings also contradict their averred concept of world peace and gender equality.

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So basically they are villains and Trailblazer and the other Bahai are following villainy?

Tober Canton said:

@Trailblazer

Interestingly from section 165 of the Gleanings from the writings of Baha'u'llah, states:

"Know thou that every hearing ear, if kept pure and undefiled, must, at all times and from every direction, hearken to the voice that uttereth these holy words: "Verily, we are God's, and to Him shall we return." (Qur'an) The mysteries of man's physical death and of his return have not been divulged, and still remain unread. By the righteousness of God! Were they to be revealed, they would evoke such fear and sorrow that some would perish, while others would be so filled with gladness as to wish for death, and beseech, with unceasing longing, the one true God -- exalted be His glory -- to hasten their end."

I thought it was somewhat relevant to the various things discussed.

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Thanks, that is one of my favorite oft cited passages when I am discussing the afterlife... It certainly does say a lot in a few short sentences. Related to that passage, we have this letter from the Guardian.

"Bahá'u'lláh says that were we to have the proper vision to see the blessings of the other world we would not bear to endure one more hour of existence upon the earth. The reason why we are deprived of that vision is because otherwise no one would care to remain and the whole fabric of society will be destroyed."
(From a letter written on behalf of Shoghi Effendi to an individual believer, October 22, 1932)

Lights of Guidance (second part)

Trials and tribulations has been almost my entire life, although it has improved somewhat since I came back to the Faith and turned to God.... One of my other favorite passages I always bear in mind is this one:

“O My servants! Sorrow not if, in these days and on this earthly plane, things contrary to your wishes have been ordained and manifested by God, for days of blissful joy, of heavenly delight, are assuredly in store for you. Worlds, holy and spiritually glorious, will be unveiled to your eyes. You are destined by Him, in this world and hereafter, to partake of their benefits, to share in their joys, and to obtain a portion of their sustaining grace. To each and every one of them you will, no doubt, attain.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 329

Trailblazer said:

Jesus was a Manifestation of God in His own right but He left His work unfinished so Baha'u'llah came to finish it.

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I have listened to Baha'u'llah.

I have followed the waters of Baha'u'llah to discover his source:

His seas of divine wisdom and divine utterance.
His ocean of divine knowledge, his ocean of utterance, his ocean of true understanding.
His river of divine knowledge, his river of divine wisom, his river of holy utterance.
His stream of utterance, his stream of divine mystery, his stream of true knowledge.
I followed Baha'u'llah and found nothing.







Baha'u'llah did not guide me to the fountain of salt water:

Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? So can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. James 3:12

Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people! Jeremiah 9:1

For the lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters; and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. Revelation 7:17




Have you tasted the salt water of your tears?



The sword of Baha'u'llah:
"What sword is sharper than this heavenly sword, what blade more trenchant than this incorruptible steel that severeth every tie and separateth thereby the believer from the infidel, father from son, brother from sister, and lover from beloved."

"And further He saith: “Out of his mouth goeth a two-edged sword.” Know thou that since the sword is an instrument that divideth and cleaveth asunder, and since there proceedeth from the mouth of the Prophets and the Chosen Ones of God that which separateth the believer from the infidel and the lover from the beloved, this term hath been so employed, and apart from this dividing and separating no other meaning is intended."



I showed you a different heavenly sword in my last post.

Do you think there is no other sword sharper than the sword that came out of the mouth of Baha'u'llah?

Is there no other sword that can reach deeper into your heart?

DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan said:

So basically they are villains and Trailblazer and the other Bahai are following villainy?

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Well Trailblazer is free to follow any belief, it`s a choice but what I am saying is the Bahai Faith often projects itself to Muslims as a sect of Islam. They do this primarily by taking advantage of the fact that the origins of the Faith lie in Iran and that its founders have Muslim sounding names. The colonial-backed group twists information to deviate Muslims on the issue of finality of the prophet hood of Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him.
The study of the origin of any religion is important to any seeker of the truth for its helps us to establish veracity of its claims and that of its founders. And I did my homework to find out that the history of the Bahai Faith and that of its leaders is laced with deception, lies and dishonesty. It is a dark history that the Bahais are ashamed of and hence wish to hide from it or turn their face the other way when one reminds them of it.
And also I want everyone to keep in mind that the Bahai Faith has absolutely nothing to do with Islam. It is not a sect of Islam. In fact, it is condemned by all sects of Islam due to their disbelief on the issue of the finality of the prophet hood of the Holy Prophet peace be upon him.

You can read about his biography, the Bab acquires knowledge from worldly teachers At the age of seven the Bab was sent to study under Shaikh Abid, a scholar of the Shaikhiya sect. It is here that he imbibed the ideas of the Shaikhiya sect. Under the guidance of the Shaikh, he studied Persian, calligraphy, and some elementary Arabic grammar.

The Bab himself admitted that he obtained education from worldly teachers. When his heretic ideas created discord in Iran, the Crown Prince summoned him to an assembly of religious scholars. The scholars asked Bab about some basic rules of Arabic grammar, to which he replied, "I had learnt them when I was young, but now I have completely forgotten them." If you want to look into it you can refer to Traveler's Narrative, E. G. Browe, page 278-290, examination of the Bab, I got the book here.

The Bab was also a self-confessed disciple of Syed Kazim Rashti. The Bab himself declared, "I am one of the disciples of Sayyed-e-Muqaddas (Sayyed Kazim Rashti)." here again I am not making things up you can refer to Hadyatul Mahdiyyah Page 212.

The above references are sufficient to prove that the Bab was, like any of us, in need of worldly education and teachers, and he did gain knowledge from worldly teachers like Shaikh Abid, Mohammed and Syed Kazim Rashti.

The above references are sufficient to prove that the Bab was, like any of us, in need of worldly education and teachers, and he did gain knowledge from worldly teachers like Shaikh Abid, Mohammed and Syed Kazim Rashti.

However the Bahai Faith completely discounts these facts and claims otherwise. Abbas Effendi, the son of Bahaullah, and the first leader of the Bahais utters a blatant lie on page 8 of his book 'Khutubat-e-Buzurg'. He writes, "It is incumbent on every prophet that he gains knowledge from Allah alone and not from any human being and such is the practice of all prophets like Prophet Ibrahim, Hazrat Mohammed, Hazrat Bab and Bahaullah. All of them did not study in any school because the one who owes his knowledge to human schools cannot be a divine representative."

The above statement of Abbas Effendi is simply unacceptable. We can agree that all leaders who were divinely inspired did not seek knowledge from worldly teachers. However, we all must also agree that the Bab does not fall into this special category. Every Bahai worth his salt can wish fervently that Bab was a divine leader, but the fact is that he was not. The Bab, by virtue of his worldly schooling does not fulfill the basic criteria of being a divine leader - he was taught by men of this world.

I also take severe objection to the above statement for not only does Abbas Effendi deny the fact that Bab studied under various teachers, he has gone further and has put at par Bab and Bahaullah with the Holy Prophet peace be upon him, and the other mighty prophets of Allah. There is no comparison between the Holy Prophet of Islam peace be upon him and the Bab or Bahaullah.

The above statement of Abbas Effendi highlights another important aspect of the Bahai Faith. Here he has denied the finality of prophethood of the Holy Prophet peace be upon him a fundamental belief of all Muslims. Bahais decry the finality of the Holy Prophet peace be upon him.

The Bab was afflicted with a mental disorder, another feature about the Bab is that during his youth he used to stand on the roof of his house directly under the sun. He did this during the hot summer days of Iran. Standing under the sun, he used to make signs to the sun all day long through the summer. So much so that people thought he was a star worshipper. So here again, I am not inventing stories because this strange practice finds mention on page 66 of the book 'Talkheese Nabil' by Ishraaq Khaavri and "Hashte Bahist" by Mirza Aga Khan Kirmani. This habit of standing under the hot sun had a severe impact on the mental faculty of the Bab from which he never recovered completely. It was for the treatment of this disorder that Bab was sent to Kerbala in Iraq where he met Syed Kazim Rashti and studied under him.

I mean I can keep going and talk about the violence history of the babis or the attempt of the Russian to save the bab, but I am not going to bother you with long reading.

But to answer your question clearly the bahai movement are following a misguided cult based on lies.

WonderingWorrier said:

Baha'u'llah did not guide me to the River of Oil.

Then will I make their waters deep, and cause their rivers to run like oil, saith the Lord God. Ezekiel 32:14​

Baha'u'llah did not guide me to the fountain of salt water:

Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? So can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh. James 3:12

Oh that my head were waters, and mine eyes a fountain of tears, that I might weep day and night for the slain of the daughter of my people! Jeremiah 9:1

For the lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters; and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes. Revelation 7:17

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Baha'u'llah did not guide me to the River of Oil or to the fountain of salt water and Baha'u'llah did not wipe my tears away. Baha'u'llah did not come just for me, He came for all of humanity.... The Baha'i Faith is not only about personal salvation.

“I confess that Thou hast no desire except the regeneration of the whole world, and the establishment of the unity of its peoples, and the salvation of all them that dwell therein.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 243

Duncan said:

And also I want everyone to keep in mind that the Bahai Faith has absolutely nothing to do with Islam. It is not a sect of Islam. In fact, it is condemned by all sects of Islam due to their disbelief on the issue of the finality of the prophet hood of the Holy Prophet peace be upon him.

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Just as Jews don't recognize Christianity and Christians don't recognize Islam.

Tober Canton said:

Just as Jews don't recognize Christianity and Christians don't recognize Islam.

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If you have time, maybe you can address some of the claims he makes if they are false. Sadly, because I dropped out of religion for so many years, I do not know what Islam teaches nor do I know enough Baha'i history to address these.

#447 Duncan, 45 minutes ago

Tober Canton said:

Just as Jews don't recognize Christianity and Christians don't recognize Islam.

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And Bahai has nothing to do with Christianity, judaïsme or Islam.

DagonVarunaMitraApolloZan said:

.. but I'd like to know and see all that people can find to show that Baha'Ullah was saying he himself is God in person.

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OK, do your research, but cannot put your finger on it. He used the words craftily. He said he was the sender of prophets. If you put your finger there, he and his apologists will say that it was not about himself but about Allah. While he was in Iran, he had to be careful with his words.

Trailblazer said:

If you have time, maybe you can address some of the claims he makes if they are false. Sadly, because I dropped out for so many years, I do not know enough Baha'i history. to address these.

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You are most welcome my dear friend to look into what I said and do some digging because that`s how we acquire knowledge, myself I have no knowledge, I can only talk on subjects that I have studied in the past. I just hope that you read everything I wrote

Duncan said:

And Bahai has nothing to do with Christianity, judaïsme or Islam.

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Only in the sense that the Bab and Baha'u'llah fulfilled the prophecies in their scriptures.

Trailblazer said:

Thanks, that is one of my favorite oft cited passages when I am discussing the afterlife... It certainly does say a lot in a few short sentences.
One of my other favorite passages I always bear in mind is this one:

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Whatever anyone says about afterlife is hogwash. There is no afterlife other than chemical recycling.
What heavenly delights Bahaollah promises in afterlife are not even one-tenth as enticing a promise as in Islam with a garden mansion in heaven, unlimited supply of booze and 72 houries with clear white eyes eager to serve you in whatever way you want.

Trailblazer said:

“I confess that Thou hast no desire except the regeneration of the whole world, and the establishment of the unity of its peoples, and the salvation of all them that dwell therein.”

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Very funny. Allah could have done it in the first place when he created the universe and humans. Could he not? But he did not. And now he sends this Ollah and that Ollah to set it right. Is Allah crazy?

Duncan said:

You are most welcome my dear friend to look into what I said and do some digging because that`s how we acquire knowledge, myself I have no knowledge, I can only talk on subjects that I have studied in the past. I just hope that you read everything I wrote

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I wish I had that kind of time, but I don't.
I read what is posted to me but I do not believe everything I read. I would have to verify it for myself but I do not have that kind of time.

There are many so-called sources of information about the Baha'i Faith and particularly the history of the Founders, but suffice to say not all of them are reliable. Moreover there is much calumny on the internet and they count of people who do not know much about the Baha'i Faith to believe their calumny.

If you are a logical person, you should ask yourself why Jews, Christians and Muslims hurl calumnies at the Bab and Baha'u'llah, as if they are false prophets they would pose no threat. Do you know anything about psychology? I do, as I have an advanced degree in it. I know more about psychology than I know about religion, so I have some insight into why people behave as they do, but of course only God really knows anyone.

Aupmanyav said:

Whatever anyone says about afterlife is hogwash. There is no afterlife other than chemical recycling.
What heavenly delights Bahaollah promises in afterlife are not even one-tenth as enticing a promise as in Islam with a garden mansion in heaven, unlimited supply of booze and 72 houries with clear white eyes eager to serve you in whatever way you want.

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You don`t believe in the after life?

Duncan said:

You don`t believe in the after life?

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There are a lot of things that I believe in and a lot of things I do not believe in. It would take a long time if I started enumerating them before you. You would not understand all of them.

Aupmanyav said:

Whatever anyone says about afterlife is hogwash. There is no afterlife other than chemical recycling.

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I will tell you what I tell all my atheist friends -- you'll see.
There is no point trying to convince atheists that there is an afterlife, they will have the evidence when they die.

Aupmanyav said:

What heavenly delights Bahaollah promises in afterlife are not even one-tenth as enticing a promise as in Islam with a garden mansion in heaven, unlimited supply of booze and 72 houries with clear white eyes eager to serve you in whatever way you want.

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Whatever Muslims believe they will be 'getting' in the afterlife is just a fantasy. Baha'u'llah did not make any promises because He did not want is to know how glorious the afterlife would be and He also knew it could not be explained in words since it is so different from this life.

“The world beyond is as different from this world as this world is different from that of the child while still in the womb of its mother. When the soul attaineth the Presence of God, it will assume the form that best befitteth its immortality and is worthy of its celestial habitation.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 157

Baha'u'llah did tell us we would,enter the Crimson Ark, but there is no way we can understand what that is till we get there.

“And now concerning thy question whether human souls continue to be conscious one of another after their separation from the body. Know thou that the souls of the people of Bahá, who have entered and been established within the Crimson Ark, shall associate and commune intimately one with another, and shall be so closely associated in their lives, their aspirations, their aims and strivings as to be even as one soul.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 169-170

“How great the blessedness that awaiteth the king who will arise to aid My Cause in My Kingdom, who will detach himself from all else but Me! Such a king is numbered with the companions of the Crimson Ark—the Ark which God hath prepared for the people of Bahá.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 212

Trailblazer said:

There is no point trying to convince atheists that there is an afterlife, they will have the evidence when they die.

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And you and your Bahaollah have evidence since you have returned from death! Don't take atheists to be fools to believe in what garbage these prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations / mahdis talk or write without showing an iota of evidence.

The Crimson Ark of the Baha'