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More bad news, America

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
I have some legitimate studies for my state: social distancing has cut the number of flu deaths down to 103 so far this year in Washington state from 225 this date in 2019, 283 from this date in 2018, and 274 from this date in 2017.
So far there have been 1,111 deaths from COVID 19 in this state, which is more than 10 times the death rate for the flu.
Washington State Flu historical rates from the Dept of Health:
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/5100/420-100-FluUpdate.pdf
Washington State COVID 19 rates from the Dept of Health:
https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/NovelCoronavirusOutbreak2020COVID19/DataDashboard

Lower flu deaths can be explained by the lockdown. People weren't spreading it because they were at home.
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
Lower flu deaths can be explained by the lockdown. People weren't spreading it because they were at home.
Yep. That's why I also included the numbers from the prior 3 years for flu deaths in the post--it shows that the social distancing efforts have had a positive effect.
 

Secret Chief

nirvana is samsara
Do you have source for that? I thought I had also read that people took advantage of desolate lord's manors and stuff as well, so there may have been people that weren't exactly acting in a 'socially perfect' way

Yes, as noted above - Eyam in Derbyshire, England. It is known as the plague village. It has a small museum. Some of the houses have plaques outside saying how many people died there. They died so that others might live.
 
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Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Around here, people are careful....masks, social distancing.
One exception though....liquor stores are 70% no masks.
People get'n their drink on are also get'n their plague on.
Since alcohol kills viruses, the reasoning goes whatever they catch there will die once they drink some tequila. That worm in the bottle is dead in there, right? At least that is the reasoning after several shots of tequila affects judgement. Plus it tastes better than Trump's miracle cure of drinking bleach. ;)
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Sad story of brave people:

The village of the damned
They stayed home to sacrifice their selves, get sick and die, all to prevent the spread of plague to others. We need to stay home to not get sick, to not die, and to not spread this. Same process, same reasons, very different outcome. We coukd have had it better. But people want to go out and fight a nightmarish illness (suffocation is pretty much just about a universal fear and thats what this does to you, EVEN IF YOU SURVIVE critical illness.) (Emphasis added to highlight a point that must not amd cannot go understated).
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
They stayed home to sacrifice their selves, get sick and die, all to prevent the spread of plague to others. We need to stay home to not get sick, to not die, and to not spread this. Same process, same reasons, very different outcome. We coukd have had it better. But people want to go out and fight a nightmarish illness (suffocation is pretty much just about a universal fear and thats what this does to you, EVEN IF YOU SURVIVE critical illness.) (Emphasis added to highlight a point that must not amd cannot go understated).

Right now, in my state, 12% of CONFIRMED cases end up hospitalized but not in ICU. Four percent of confirmed cases end up in ICU.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Four percent of confirmed cases end up in ICU.
As I keep telling people (and reminding myself when my humanity inevitably wants and yearns for going back to normal) I have lost with better odds/hand in poker. That was just money at stake. It was a very fun and memorable hand, though I lost, and the best and most intense I've ever played with the betting. Covid isn't a game, stories of the survivors of critical illness are harrowing, and, no, most things just are not worth the risk. A temporary pause on normal life isn't really that bad. We could be at global war again.
 

Wandering Monk

Well-Known Member
As I keep telling people (and reminding myself when my humanity inevitably wants and yearns for going back to normal) I have lost with better odds/hand in poker. That was just money at stake. It was a very fun and memorable hand, though I lost, and the best and most intense I've ever played with the betting. Covid isn't a game, stories of the survivors of critical illness are harrowing, and, no, most things just are not worth the risk. A temporary pause on normal life isn't really that bad. We could be at global war again.

Several interesting things are happening as a result of this virus:

People are re-evaluating living in the city and also mass transit
Air pollution from transit is down
Work from home may become permanent allowing people to live in more affordable areas
God willing, increased focus on research that could result in a vaccine for ALL corona viruses
International cooperation in the realm of virology and immunology
Inevitably, the search of solutions to Covid will result in answers to questions we haven't even asked yet. This is always the cased with research.​
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
People are re-evaluating living in the city
City mice and country mice. We aren't always placed correctly by birth, but it is basically "square 1" of the hyper partisan divide in America. It's basically always been that way, and I just don't see a few months of altered adjustments overriding thousands of years of habits.
and also mass transit
People are already doing this with rideshares. Unlike the bus, or what have you, with Uber people can get their ride when they need and where they need it. People who have insurance that cover rides to and from the doctor especially are using rideshare more often because they aren't wanting to wait for the bus if they don't have to. I wouldn't be surprised if traditional taxi services are eventually taken out by rideshares, because they've also lost many customers to uber and lyft.
Work from home may become permanent
Only for a very small percentage of the population. Healthcare, manufacturing, entertainment, hospitality, food service, tourism, these are just a few of the things that cannot be done at home, or are extremely limited in practice if not face to face.
 
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