Prove That God Should Believe In You

Mods, can you move this to Interfaith? I think that's where it actually goes

I hear, day in and day out people making a loud fuss about how they don't believe in God and/or God isn't real.

So let's ask something. Suppose for second, as all these TV commercials say "these difficult times"... suppose these times are actually End Times. God created the universe, then Earth with its plants, animals, fish, whatever platypi are, space aliens, and evolved humans up to the point that they could travel to other worlds if things got too crowded.

But instead of doing cool stuff like inventing that hoverboard from Back to the Future, by that point everyone wasted their time on Facebook posting cat memes. And humanity has lost touch with each other. People dividing into political camps, and not even gathering for Christmas or Easter or Thanksgiving. People staring ar computer or tablet screens.
And then came the virus scare. Do you realize that in some parts of America, the Christian churches have basically been sold out by theor own bishops? Their governors say they can attend church, but it doesn't matter, because they've basically locked off services? That when people need people the most, everyone wants to guilt trip them about "Think of other people you might infect!" Am I sick? Am I coughing or sneezing? So what is this treating HEALTHY people like they're unclean? When someone comes to your food shop and they're actually starving and you say " Yes we're open but really only to people who wear masks, and you people who don't have masks or can't wear them (conditions like asthma or COPD or dust allergy) or won't wear them (concern over the thing being like the Mark of the Beast, since you can't buy or sell without it) don't get any food, " aren't you basically letting people starve over regulations? And there's governors who are basically being tyrants, locking merchants up for trying to open anyway, because it's unworkable by curbside (Dunkin Donuts is curbside, but you cannot really pick donuts except by sight, we went there and they gave us a list of stuff but we couldn't tell what we were ordering so we just picked plain, glazed, and powdered; likewise wineries need to be able to see the wines there) and it's either open anyway and risk arrest or go out of business. And while all this hysteria goes on, people still die of other diseases. People still die of poverty or suicide. People still die in their own filth because they have no home, or have been evicted. People still die from war. Only now, when people want to pray most, they are told "sorry no praying allowed, there's a limit of 10 people, and your bishop has closed the church anyway."

So suppose God is looking at all of this from Heaven, and he sees that not only have people seemed to get worse rather than better, but they're angry and faithless whenever God's name is mentioned. Suppose he even comes down as a human like you or me, to look at how things are firsthand. And he also gets rejected and turned away for not having a mask.

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The question in all of this is, how will you defend humanity?

Do we have the right to keep existing? Is there enough good in us? Is God's grace such that most of these petty ways we treat other humans still forgiven? Or can you make more of a case for God to just stop believing in humanity, and let it destroy itself (more by not having sex because it's getting within 6 feet than anything else)?

Yes, I know this is dark. But I wanna know if people can think of any positives to human life, since right now I can't.

Most people are decent... for a human. Not sure we'd pass for decent among the wolves or the elephants. But most humans do about the best they can for a primate.

Of course, then there are the ones who -- for various reasons -- are challenged to be even moderately decent. Thank goodness we kick them out of our communities and neighborhoods. I only wish we didn't so often kick them to Washington D.C. instead of prison.

Well, they're certainly doing well at Washington. Just wish they didn't have any say over Podunk. You've convinced me enough to change my vote.

From my experiences, and especially during the crisis in the UK, I think that most people are decent, allowing for the fact that they are all human with all the issues that comes with such - like focusing on their lives perhaps a bit too much. No point expecting us all to be angels - whatever that might mean.

And if God created us then s/he should take some of the blame as to how we turn out.

Samantha Rinne said:

I hear, day in and day out people making a loud fuss about how they don't believe in God and/or God isn't real.

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How is an atheist posting on a forum "making a loud fuss"? If that were true, then why wouldn't your pro-god post also be "making a loud fuss".

Samantha Rinne said:

Do you realize that in some parts of America, the Christian churches have basically been sold out by theor own bishops? Their governors say they can attend church, but it doesn't matter, because they've basically locked off services? That when people need people the most, everyone wants to guilt trip them about "Think of other people you might infect!" Am I sick? Am I coughing or sneezing? So what is this treating HEALTHY people like they're unclean?

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You seem to be ignorant of the word "asymptomatic". That's unfortunate. A redneck Texas bar owner made a rule that no one entering his bar is allowed to wear a mask. "If you feel bad, stay home". He too is ignorant of the word "asymptomatic".


They say ignorance is bliss. When it comes to spreading diseases, ignorance is deadly.

Samantha Rinne said:

Only now, when people want to pray most, they are told "sorry no praying allowed, there's a limit of 10 people, and your bishop has closed the church anyway."

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Is it really necessary for an atheist to have to be the one to point this out to you?

Samantha Rinne said:

Suppose he even comes down as a human like you or me, to look at how things are firsthand. And he also gets rejected and turned away for not having a mask.

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If the things attributed to Him in the NT are even half true, then I'm quite certain He would understand the need for social distancing and wearing a mask. I'm also sure that He would be outraged at people insisting they need to congregate to worship Him.

Samantha Rinne said:

Yes, I know this is dark. But I wanna know if people can think of any positives to human life, since right now I can't.

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Maybe you need to look beyond your own partisanship and sensationalist headlines.

I find it interesting that an atheist like me has a much more positive outlook of humankind than a deeply religious person like you.

I look at Yemen, and I don't want to God to forgive the world who sit idle regarding it. The Devil greatest deception is making us believe God due to being compassionate, will forgive us. Than you have people who are dark knights like me. We curse the oppressors, their supporters, and those who are silent and watch by.

One of us is right. We'll see in the end.

No proof possible here. The only choices offered are egocentric.

Samantha Rinne said:

I hear, day in and day out people making a loud fuss about how they don't believe in God and/or God isn't real.

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That's probably because you or some other theist has made a fuss first about how you do believe in God and/or God is real.

Samantha Rinne said:

everyone wants to guilt trip them about "Think of other people you might infect!" Am I sick? Am I coughing or sneezing? So what is this treating HEALTHY people like they're unclean? When someone comes to your food shop and they're actually starving and you say " Yes we're open but really only to people who wear masks, and you people who don't have masks or can't wear them (conditions like asthma or COPD or dust allergy) or won't wear them (concern over the thing being like the Mark of the Beast, since you can't buy or sell without it) don't get any food, " aren't you basically letting people starve over regulations?

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Take a look at this video of people refusing to wear masks and deliberately coughing at people. You'll also hear one woman trying to get into a retail outlet without a mask and being refused entrance at the door. She then tells the masked man explaining company policy o masks, tells them that she has a medical condition which precludes her from wearing a mask, refuses to tell what condition that is and citing HIPAA medical privacy rights even before being asked. When the employee volunteers to do her shopping for her, she refuses that offer citing that what she needs is too private to disclose and that she needs to do her own shopping, apparently forgetting that other customers and employees in the business would see her purchase anyway.

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These people are hostile, belligerent, selfish, low information, and antisocial. If they would rather starve to death than wear a mask, then OK.

Samantha Rinne said:

Mods, can you move this to Interfaith? I think that's where it actually goes

I hear, day in and day out people making a loud fuss about how they don't believe in God and/or God isn't real.

So let's ask something. Suppose for second, as all these TV commercials say "these difficult times"... suppose these times are actually End Times. God created the universe, then Earth with its plants, animals, fish, whatever platypi are, space aliens, and evolved humans up to the point that they could travel to other worlds if things got too crowded.

But instead of doing cool stuff like inventing that hoverboard from Back to the Future, by that point everyone wasted their time on Facebook posting cat memes. And humanity has lost touch with each other. People dividing into political camps, and not even gathering for Christmas or Easter or Thanksgiving. People staring ar computer or tablet screens.
And then came the virus scare. Do you realize that in some parts of America, the Christian churches have basically been sold out by theor own bishops? Their governors say they can attend church, but it doesn't matter, because they've basically locked off services? That when people need people the most, everyone wants to guilt trip them about "Think of other people you might infect!" Am I sick? Am I coughing or sneezing? So what is this treating HEALTHY people like they're unclean? When someone comes to your food shop and they're actually starving and you say " Yes we're open but really only to people who wear masks, and you people who don't have masks or can't wear them (conditions like asthma or COPD or dust allergy) or won't wear them (concern over the thing being like the Mark of the Beast, since you can't buy or sell without it) don't get any food, " aren't you basically letting people starve over regulations? And there's governors who are basically being tyrants, locking merchants up for trying to open anyway, because it's unworkable by curbside (Dunkin Donuts is curbside, but you cannot really pick donuts except by sight, we went there and they gave us a list of stuff but we couldn't tell what we were ordering so we just picked plain, glazed, and powdered; likewise wineries need to be able to see the wines there) and it's either open anyway and risk arrest or go out of business. And while all this hysteria goes on, people still die of other diseases. People still die of poverty or suicide. People still die in their own filth because they have no home, or have been evicted. People still die from war. Only now, when people want to pray most, they are told "sorry no praying allowed, there's a limit of 10 people, and your bishop has closed the church anyway."

So suppose God is looking at all of this from Heaven, and he sees that not only have people seemed to get worse rather than better, but they're angry and faithless whenever God's name is mentioned. Suppose he even comes down as a human like you or me, to look at how things are firsthand. And he also gets rejected and turned away for not having a mask.

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The question in all of this is, how will you defend humanity?

Do we have the right to keep existing? Is there enough good in us? Is God's grace such that most of these petty ways we treat other humans still forgiven? Or can you make more of a case for God to just stop believing in humanity, and let it destroy itself (more by not having sex because it's getting within 6 feet than anything else)?

Yes, I know this is dark. But I wanna know if people can think of any positives to human life, since right now I can't.

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One thing is for sure: Humans have done more for humanity than God ever did.
I think that is already a redeeming fact considering how little power we have got.

Samantha Rinne said:

Mods, can you move this to Interfaith? I think that's where it actually goes

I hear, day in and day out people making a loud fuss about how they don't believe in God and/or God isn't real.

So let's ask something. Suppose for second, as all these TV commercials say "these difficult times"... suppose these times are actually End Times. God created the universe, then Earth with its plants, animals, fish, whatever platypi are, space aliens, and evolved humans up to the point that they could travel to other worlds if things got too crowded.

But instead of doing cool stuff like inventing that hoverboard from Back to the Future, by that point everyone wasted their time on Facebook posting cat memes. And humanity has lost touch with each other. People dividing into political camps, and not even gathering for Christmas or Easter or Thanksgiving. People staring ar computer or tablet screens.
And then came the virus scare. Do you realize that in some parts of America, the Christian churches have basically been sold out by theor own bishops? Their governors say they can attend church, but it doesn't matter, because they've basically locked off services? That when people need people the most, everyone wants to guilt trip them about "Think of other people you might infect!" Am I sick? Am I coughing or sneezing? So what is this treating HEALTHY people like they're unclean? When someone comes to your food shop and they're actually starving and you say " Yes we're open but really only to people who wear masks, and you people who don't have masks or can't wear them (conditions like asthma or COPD or dust allergy) or won't wear them (concern over the thing being like the Mark of the Beast, since you can't buy or sell without it) don't get any food, " aren't you basically letting people starve over regulations? And there's governors who are basically being tyrants, locking merchants up for trying to open anyway, because it's unworkable by curbside (Dunkin Donuts is curbside, but you cannot really pick donuts except by sight, we went there and they gave us a list of stuff but we couldn't tell what we were ordering so we just picked plain, glazed, and powdered; likewise wineries need to be able to see the wines there) and it's either open anyway and risk arrest or go out of business. And while all this hysteria goes on, people still die of other diseases. People still die of poverty or suicide. People still die in their own filth because they have no home, or have been evicted. People still die from war. Only now, when people want to pray most, they are told "sorry no praying allowed, there's a limit of 10 people, and your bishop has closed the church anyway."

So suppose God is looking at all of this from Heaven, and he sees that not only have people seemed to get worse rather than better, but they're angry and faithless whenever God's name is mentioned. Suppose he even comes down as a human like you or me, to look at how things are firsthand. And he also gets rejected and turned away for not having a mask.

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The question in all of this is, how will you defend humanity?

Do we have the right to keep existing? Is there enough good in us? Is God's grace such that most of these petty ways we treat other humans still forgiven? Or can you make more of a case for God to just stop believing in humanity, and let it destroy itself (more by not having sex because it's getting within 6 feet than anything else)?

Yes, I know this is dark. But I wanna know if people can think of any positives to human life, since right now I can't.

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Stop projecting your own thoughts onto God.

See? There's an atheist type making a big fuss. I don't have to agree with you. Yet you demand that I do. I asked a question about "Why should God believe in us" and you have instead derailed this to entirely on COVID-19, when my actual point is how do people treat other people during this? You're providing a great example, by treating me like a pariah for having a difference of opinion. Real nice, there.

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ecco said:

How is an atheist posting on a forum "making a loud fuss"? If that were true, then why wouldn't your pro-god post also be "making a loud fuss".

You seem to be ignorant of the word "asymptomatic". That's unfortunate. A redneck Texas bar owner made a rule that no one entering his bar is allowed to wear a mask. "If you feel bad, stay home". He too is ignorant of the word "asymptomatic".

(Overly long paragraph from someone of the same group that tells people that Christians preach to them.)

Most of the patients (67.9%) did not have any underlying conditions. However, the three singers who were hospitalized had two or more underlying medical conditions. Two of those patients later died.
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They say ignorance is bliss. When it comes to spreading diseases, ignorance is deadly.

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Asymptomatic means "having no symptoms." Which begs the question, if we have asymptomatic TB, would there be any cause for concern? No sirree. The symptoms of TB include persistant coughing, and one of the warning signs that someone will die is they cough up blood. No symptoms? How do they die? Same with pneumonia. The symptoms of pneumonia are asymptomatic, this means they do not have filled up lungs.

Yes, I understand the notion that is actually called being a carrier. However, this is not the same, as this is a disease where most of those infected have no symptoms. In fact, typically the ones who died, over and over, only died from complications with other disease, not from the virus itself. A disease where most people who have it have no symptoms, who kills mainly elderly people and who typically only kills people already seriously ill from other disease, is not a disease that one should declare martial law (oh I sorry, "quarantine") over.

Now, if you want to stay home, be my guest! Be safe! Don't get infected by or infect anyone. But... your fear ends when you try to trample over how other people live their lives. When you try to silence others for not agreeing.

If you feel bad, stay home. This is common sense. If you declare I'm ignorant for agreeing with the bartender, consider this, if you feel bad, and don't stay home, endangering the lives over others because they aren't wearing masks... doesn't that make you a jerk?
Or suppose someone does have a valid reason for not wearing a mask, which is covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA), yet you force them to wear it anyway, even if they know in their case that itmight worsen their condition (asthma or COPD, bad air is deadly).
A person who forces others to do things because they're assured of their own virtue, are by definition jerks.

But let's talk about something else. What sounded like a veiled threat.

You said, "When it comes to spreading diseases, ignorance is deadly." This is a curious phrase, because while most of those who died died from complications, not the disease itself, three people in particular died with no apparent pre-existing conditions. What did all of these people have in common that made them especially vulnerable to this disease that they died without being seriously sick before?

A pastor that called the whole thing a Mark of the Beast conspiracy.
A bishop who defied social distance orders.
Someone who called Coronavirus "bull****."

They were all COVID-19 deniers. So you'll forgive me, but this sounded like "If you know what's good for you, you'll agree with me. RIGHT?" No, sorry. Wrong.

I'm Christian, I'm Taoist, and I'm Buddhist. And I believe that both Christ and Buddha spoke against irrational resignment to fear or rules, at the expense of other things.

"It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’ For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

The church is for sinners, not the clean. It's for the sick. The poor. The suffering. Those the world rejected. Those people like you have called unclean even before they are tested.

Peter agrees with this, "You know how unlawful it is for a Jew to associate with a foreigner or visit him. But God has shown me that I should not call any man impure or unclean."

What about Lao Tzu? Well, he didn't speak of a lot of things, cuz he was kind of quiet. But he did say some nice gems like, "In the highest antiquity, the people did not know that there were rulers.
In the next age they loved them and praised them.
In the next they feared them.
In the next they despised them."

If people are living in a state of fear, the sign is that the times are bad. That the rulers are rulers, not governors. This sounds like today. Our governors are hardly invisible, but rather we know them by name. When they ruled justly, they barely even made the papers.

Buddha teaches the way to be free of fear is to accept fear.

"Confined in a cage up against the wall, pressed against the barriers, if you linger in thought holding back your potential, you will remain mired in fear and frozen in inaction. If, on the other hand, you advance fearlessly and without hesitation, you manifest your power as a competent adept of the way, passing through entanglements and barriers without hindrance to time and season. A great peace is attained. How do you advance fearlessly and without hesitation?"

Buddhist Teachings on Fear and Fearlessness - Lion's Roar

It explains that we overcome fear by fearing the right thing. So, what is the right thing?

Well, I dunno, but the Christians have one answer.

Matthew 10:28


Anyway, you proved my point! The point is "how do people act during this thing?" And your first (and only) reaction is to ignore the topic entirely (topic derailment is not cool), and instead spend all of your energy trying to rebuke me for being afraid, and to threaten me. I don't need to be afraid. Not of anyone.

If you want to be afraid, that's your lookout. But I need to follow the teachings of my faith.

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So back to topic. Are humans worth it? Should God believe in us?

Samantha Rinne said:

Mods, can you move this to Interfaith? I think that's where it actually goes

I hear, day in and day out people making a loud fuss about how they don't believe in God and/or God isn't real.

So let's ask something. Suppose for second, as all these TV commercials say "these difficult times"... suppose these times are actually End Times. God created the universe, then Earth with its plants, animals, fish, whatever platypi are, space aliens, and evolved humans up to the point that they could travel to other worlds if things got too crowded.

But instead of doing cool stuff like inventing that hoverboard from Back to the Future, by that point everyone wasted their time on Facebook posting cat memes. And humanity has lost touch with each other. People dividing into political camps, and not even gathering for Christmas or Easter or Thanksgiving. People staring ar computer or tablet screens.
And then came the virus scare. Do you realize that in some parts of America, the Christian churches have basically been sold out by theor own bishops? Their governors say they can attend church, but it doesn't matter, because they've basically locked off services? That when people need people the most, everyone wants to guilt trip them about "Think of other people you might infect!" Am I sick? Am I coughing or sneezing? So what is this treating HEALTHY people like they're unclean? When someone comes to your food shop and they're actually starving and you say " Yes we're open but really only to people who wear masks, and you people who don't have masks or can't wear them (conditions like asthma or COPD or dust allergy) or won't wear them (concern over the thing being like the Mark of the Beast, since you can't buy or sell without it) don't get any food, " aren't you basically letting people starve over regulations? And there's governors who are basically being tyrants, locking merchants up for trying to open anyway, because it's unworkable by curbside (Dunkin Donuts is curbside, but you cannot really pick donuts except by sight, we went there and they gave us a list of stuff but we couldn't tell what we were ordering so we just picked plain, glazed, and powdered; likewise wineries need to be able to see the wines there) and it's either open anyway and risk arrest or go out of business. And while all this hysteria goes on, people still die of other diseases. People still die of poverty or suicide. People still die in their own filth because they have no home, or have been evicted. People still die from war. Only now, when people want to pray most, they are told "sorry no praying allowed, there's a limit of 10 people, and your bishop has closed the church anyway."

So suppose God is looking at all of this from Heaven, and he sees that not only have people seemed to get worse rather than better, but they're angry and faithless whenever God's name is mentioned. Suppose he even comes down as a human like you or me, to look at how things are firsthand. And he also gets rejected and turned away for not having a mask.

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The question in all of this is, how will you defend humanity?

Do we have the right to keep existing? Is there enough good in us? Is God's grace such that most of these petty ways we treat other humans still forgiven? Or can you make more of a case for God to just stop believing in humanity, and let it destroy itself (more by not having sex because it's getting within 6 feet than anything else)?

Yes, I know this is dark. But I wanna know if people can think of any positives to human life, since right now I can't.

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In that scenario, humanity's faults would be God's faults.

To use a Biblical metaphor: if a pot has flaws, it's the fault of the potter, not the pot. How good or bad God is as a creator is evidenced by the quality of his creation.

Samantha Rinne said:

Mods, can you move this to Interfaith? I think that's where it actually goes

I hear, day in and day out people making a loud fuss about how they don't believe in God and/or God isn't real.

So let's ask something. Suppose for second, as all these TV commercials say "these difficult times"... suppose these times are actually End Times. God created the universe, then Earth with its plants, animals, fish, whatever platypi are, space aliens, and evolved humans up to the point that they could travel to other worlds if things got too crowded.

But instead of doing cool stuff like inventing that hoverboard from Back to the Future, by that point everyone wasted their time on Facebook posting cat memes. And humanity has lost touch with each other. People dividing into political camps, and not even gathering for Christmas or Easter or Thanksgiving. People staring ar computer or tablet screens.
And then came the virus scare. Do you realize that in some parts of America, the Christian churches have basically been sold out by theor own bishops? Their governors say they can attend church, but it doesn't matter, because they've basically locked off services? That when people need people the most, everyone wants to guilt trip them about "Think of other people you might infect!" Am I sick? Am I coughing or sneezing? So what is this treating HEALTHY people like they're unclean? When someone comes to your food shop and they're actually starving and you say " Yes we're open but really only to people who wear masks, and you people who don't have masks or can't wear them (conditions like asthma or COPD or dust allergy) or won't wear them (concern over the thing being like the Mark of the Beast, since you can't buy or sell without it) don't get any food, " aren't you basically letting people starve over regulations? And there's governors who are basically being tyrants, locking merchants up for trying to open anyway, because it's unworkable by curbside (Dunkin Donuts is curbside, but you cannot really pick donuts except by sight, we went there and they gave us a list of stuff but we couldn't tell what we were ordering so we just picked plain, glazed, and powdered; likewise wineries need to be able to see the wines there) and it's either open anyway and risk arrest or go out of business. And while all this hysteria goes on, people still die of other diseases. People still die of poverty or suicide. People still die in their own filth because they have no home, or have been evicted. People still die from war. Only now, when people want to pray most, they are told "sorry no praying allowed, there's a limit of 10 people, and your bishop has closed the church anyway."

So suppose God is looking at all of this from Heaven, and he sees that not only have people seemed to get worse rather than better, but they're angry and faithless whenever God's name is mentioned. Suppose he even comes down as a human like you or me, to look at how things are firsthand. And he also gets rejected and turned away for not having a mask.

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The question in all of this is, how will you defend humanity?

Do we have the right to keep existing? Is there enough good in us? Is God's grace such that most of these petty ways we treat other humans still forgiven? Or can you make more of a case for God to just stop believing in humanity, and let it destroy itself (more by not having sex because it's getting within 6 feet than anything else)?

Yes, I know this is dark. But I wanna know if people can think of any positives to human life, since right now I can't.

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There are always going to be positives and negatives when it comes to humanity.

I tend to respect the fact that we are not going to be permanently around as a species. Nature works like that so in that regard, I think it would be best to look at it as having our time and place and it's always beneficial to make the most of it and get along and enjoy things that life offers.

A lot of our outlook has greatly to do with our own perspectives and if you want to view things in terms of worthlessness then you're probably going to end up feeling that way more than you ought to.

I think having a level of indifference helps greatly, but not to the point where you're un empathetic because I think humanity still has a lot to offer in terms of the good things in life.

I think the reason why it seems the other way is we're drawn instinctively to the negative like moths toward a flame. It's probably to keep our heightened sense of awareness to danger so once you understand it, it doesn't have to control your outlook when it comes to one extreme or the other.

A bit like this .....

I think humanity depresses me.

The entire Trump election, nobody actually listened to see if they agreed what he said. In fact, I believe Infowars it was, actively tricked people, giving Trump's policies as Hillary's or Bernie's. And here's the opposite, where people reject remarks actually made by Obama when told thet are from Trump.

That is to say, people knew next to nothing about the candidates they voted for.

But this isn't about politics any more than it is about viruses. It's about humans.

They just believe what they are told, and shout down anyone who tried to set them straight.

I came to talk to people and I was rejected. My best friend left me, my church no longer meets, and there's pretty much nowhere to go. And what is the future of the human race? Well, marriages aren't always producing kids (China was considered to be overpopulated, and just one generation of one-child-policy emptied out their schools), and when they are, work often means the kids are raised by television. This produces kids that believe everything they see.

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Not to mention that we have no idea if they have any sort of values system. It used to be that a mother and father could have division of labor, and manage to raise children while affording housing. Then people were convinced everyone wants to work, so housing prices actually kinda doubled. So now housing is unaffordable, and people who live alone are very desperate. Humans seem fixated on STUFF. Like, how much money you make, what your college degree looks like (it's a piece of paper, not a measure of worth), or whether they've got the latest iWhatever. I can't tell you how many jobs I wasn't hired to because I obly had a scrap of paper from a small college, or because the employment commission actually screwed up my records. They don't seem to measure other people as people unless they're at least as wealthy.

NowhereMan, can you tell me what is good about humans? I guess I'm playing Accuser here, because I look at people and can't think of much. When I needed people most, they were all too willing to let fear keep them away from me. She was willing to distance herself.

Link said:

Than you have people who are dark knights like me. We curse the oppressors, their supporters, and those who are silent and watch by.

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If all you do is curse your oppressors, you are not much of a warrior.

Samantha Rinne said:

Asymptomatic means "having no symptoms." Which begs the question, if we have asymptomatic TB, would there be any cause for concern? No sirree. The symptoms of TB include persistant coughing, and one of the warning signs that someone will die is they cough up blood. No symptoms? How do they die? Same with pneumonia. The symptoms of pneumonia are asymptomatic, this means they do not have filled up lungs.

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Asymptomatic means "having no visible symptoms" YET. When the lungs begin filling up, there are telling symptoms. At that point, the individual is no longer considered to be asymptomatic. That is not very hard to understand, is it?

Samantha Rinne said:

Yes, I understand the notion that is actually called being a carrier. However, this is not the same, as this is a disease where most of those infected have no symptoms. In fact, typically the ones who died, over and over, only died from complications with other disease, not from the virus itself. A disease where most people who have it have no symptoms, who kills mainly elderly people and who typically only kills people already seriously ill from other disease, is not a disease that one should declare martial law (oh I sorry, "quarantine") over.

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You have no degree in infectious disease control. Drs. Fauci and Brix do.

Now, let me think real hard, should I take your conclusions seriously, or should I take their conclusions seriously. Hmm.