Masks

Jayhawker Soule said:

Because relevant scholarship insists that it is a valuable step in protecting others. Challenging it from a position of ignorance serves just the opposite goal.

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A lot of people think of themselves before others

ChristineM said:

From the data I've read its transferred through mouth, nose and eyes. I guess it could feasibly be transferred through the ears which wind up connecting to the throat or vagina but don't hold me to that.

The info of what masks are good for is well publicised, if people don't know why they need to wear them that's down to their own ignorance.

Gloves are handy if you dont have access to a method of hand cleaning. Just so long as they keep gloved hands away from the face then safely dispose of them, voila virus free hands

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Here's something i found about skin and covid

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) – Prevention & Treatment

We wash hands and wear masks (people do it for themselves as well), but germs isn't always transferable by hands. While touching is much more common but that doesn't justify germs transferring to other people any other way.

So that leads back to my question, why masks but not skin? People wear gloves for that reason but not all.

Of course this doesn't take into consideration other factors, but that's far the point.

Unveiled Artist said:

Here's something i found about skin and covid

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) – Prevention & Treatment

We wash hands and wear masks (people do it for themselves as well), but germs isn't always transferable by hands. While touching is much more common but that doesn't justify germs transferring to other people any other way.

So that leads back to my question, why masks but not skin? People wear gloves for that reason but not all.
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Of course this doesn't take into consideration other factors, but that's far the point.

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i have explained both the use of masks and gloves. My reading is the the virus is not contracted through skin but if you believe it is then by all means take precautions just for your own peace of mind

Unveiled Artist said:

So that leads back to my question, why masks but not skin? People wear gloves for that reason but not all.

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You can't catch COVID-19 from the virus just being on your skin. You can catch it from the virus entering your body and the most likely entry point is your mouth.

One source for that would be directly inhaling virus laden droplets from an infected person coughing/sneezing/breathing near you, which is why masks can help (on both sides). Another is you touching an infected surface and then touching your mouth (something we all do instinctively, a lot more often than we might realise). That's why the regular hand washing is beneficial.

Over a short time, virus droplets on your skin will be little different to virus droplets on your clothes so going out in longs sleeves or not won't make much difference. If anything, short sleeves could be better since you can more easily wash all the way up your arms.

ChristineM said:

i have explained both the use of masks and gloves. My reading is the the virus is not contracted through skin but if you believe it is then by all means take precautions just for your own peace of mind

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It's not a challenge discussion. I can't remember what you said about gloves. The nature and reason for masks doesn't exclude that people use it for themselves not just for others. I'm talking about intent (human fear, etc) not what masks are for; that's irrelevant.

What did you say about gloves?

HonestJoe said:

You can't catch COVID-19 from the virus just being on your skin. You can catch it from the virus entering your body and the most likely entry point is your mouth.

One source for that would be directly inhaling virus laden droplets from an infected person coughing/sneezing/breathing near you, which is why masks can help (on both sides). Another is you touching an infected surface and then touching your mouth (something we all do instinctively, a lot more often than we might realise). That's why the regular hand washing is beneficial.

Over a short time, virus droplets on your skin will be little different to virus droplets on your clothes so going out in longs sleeves or not won't make much difference. If anything, short sleeves could be better since you can more easily wash all the way up your arms.

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I'll come back. By skin is what I mean by the rest of your post. Germs and touch from droplets on skin (mouth) etc. Please read by context.

Unveiled Artist said:

It's not a challenge discussion. I can't remember what you said about gloves. The nature and reason for masks doesn't exclude that people use it for themselves not just for others. I'm talking about intent (human fear, etc) not what masks are for; that's irrelevant.

What did you say about gloves?

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Ok, I'll find it for you...

Masks

ChristineM said:

Ok, I'll find it for you...

Masks

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Thanks

Unveiled Artist said:

Why wear masks if you're going out in public in bare skin?

It's about 70 degrees out but the virus doesn't "care" so why the discrepency?

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You should wear a mask so you don't exhale your microdroplets into someone else's nose or mouth.
Remember, this virus is a respiratory illness.

SkepticThinker said:

You should wear a mask so you don't exhale your microdroplets into someone else's nose or mouth.
Remember, this virus is a respiratory illness.

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That's rare here. They literally have to jump in my face. Hospitals and close dense population, yeah. But we usually don't go next to people regardless. It's per situation and context.

Wandering Monk said:

But, if their use can reduce the spread, how is that not a good thing?

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Absolutely as there really are rarely 100% guarantees in any area. Like I brought up our kids to understand, namely that "Life is like a horse race, so just try and put the odds in your favor".

Unveiled Artist said:

So that leads back to my question, why masks but not skin? People wear gloves for that reason but not all.

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When in public places, my wife and I wear both. The virus hit this area very hard, so we're not into taking unnecessary chances.

metis said:

When in public places, my wife and I wear both. The virus hit this area very hard, so we're not into taking unnecessary chances.

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That makes sense. Mother wears the whole gear. People rub their nose with their arms etc. So the spread can happen multiple ways.

Unveiled Artist said:

I'll come back. By skin is what I mean by the rest of your post. Germs and touch from droplets on skin (mouth) etc. Please read by context.

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Yes, but as I said, there would be little significant difference between contact with bare skin and contact with clothing.

HonestJoe said:

Yes, but as I said, there would be little significant difference between contact with bare skin and contact with clothing.

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Clothing?

Unveiled Artist said:

Clothing?

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The virus may live on clothing for some time

Although clothing has not been tested it is believed to be comparable to soft surfaces that have been tested, paper and cardboard. Survival time approximately 24 hours

Unveiled Artist said:

Fool mentioned this site How Infections Spread | Infection Control | CDC

Infections spread from skin to skin contact. The nature of the virus from what I found isn't airborne, so instead of arguing about how masks works, I'm wondering we (the ill educated, I guess) protect ourselves from the virus by masks but if it's a skin to skin contact (as well?) then I'd assume they would cover up with that too.

I'm talking about intent of protection not the nature of the protection.

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Nowhere does that link say the virus is absorbed through the skin...? IF you get it on your skin AND THEN touch your nose or mouth, then you could inhale it. That's what the references to skin mean.

This also means that if you get it on gloves-- or yes, shirt sleeves-- and then touch your nose/mouth with the gloves or shirt sleeves, you may also inhale it. And that is why sleeves aren't considered PPE (although it's possible the virus would not live as well on fabric as something smooth like skin).

ChristineM said:

I guess it could feasibly be transferred through the ears which wind up connecting to the throat or vagina but don't hold me to that.

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You think the ears are connected to the vagina...???

Unveiled Artist said:

It's not a challenge discussion. I can't remember what you said about gloves. The nature and reason for masks doesn't exclude that people use it for themselves not just for others. I'm talking about intent (human fear, etc) not what masks are for; that's irrelevant.

What did you say about gloves?

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You know you can go back through a thread and re-read previous posts, right?

Unveiled Artist said:

That's rare here. They literally have to jump in my face. Hospitals and close dense population, yeah. But we usually don't go next to people regardless. It's per situation and context.

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It can travel through the air. When you breathe, talk, cough, etc. the droplets can move several feet through the air. You've never had someone near you cough or sneeze and you can feel the movement of air or even the wet droplets? That is why they're telling people to stay 6 feet apart. Have you read anything about how this virus is transmitted? Or are you being deliberately obtuse because you think it's fun to have people explain to you the basics that we have known and have been widely disseminated for months?

Unveiled Artist said:

Since it's not airborne, then it is a discrepancy. That's probably why a lot of the doctors you see on t.v. etc wear full gear and masks. It's skin contact as well. That's with any virus, not just this one.

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Who said this novel coronavirus is not airborne?

Katja said:

Nowhere does that link say the virus is absorbed through the skin...? IF you get it on your skin AND THEN touch your nose or mouth, then you could inhale it. That's what the references to skin mean.

This also means that if you get it on gloves-- or yes, shirt sleeves-- and then touch your nose/mouth with the gloves or shirt sleeves, you may also inhale it. And that is why sleeves aren't considered PPE (although it's possible the virus would not live as well on fabric as something smooth like skin).



You think the ears are connected to the vagina...???



You know you can go back through a thread and re-read previous posts, right?



It can travel through the air. When you breathe, talk, cough, etc. the droplets can move several feet through the air. You've never had someone near you cough or sneeze and you can feel the movement of air or even the wet droplets? That is why they're telling people to stay 6 feet apart. Have you read anything about how this virus is transmitted? Or are you being deliberately obtuse because you think it's fun to have people explain to you the basics that we have known and have been widely disseminated for months?

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To prevent all that,full covering would be helpful. Probably not ideal, but then people wipe their face with their elbow. Not a black and white situation.

gnomon said:

Who said this novel coronavirus is not airborne?

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I read it a week or so ago on CDC site. Droplets are to heavy to "stay on the air" for it to affect people not close to each other. Hence the six feet rule.