Please, prove me wrong.

epronovost · May 24, 2020

Segev Moran said:
I've been an atheist for some time.
Quite a long time.
I had good life.
I still do
But today i fear, i wasted a lot of time in my life if what i've learned about God is true.
Not that I am not grateful that i discovered it, but it is a scary thought to suddenly understand how blind you were in the past and how many wrong decision i could have avoided if i've learned God a few years earlier.

So to overcome that fear, i would love someone to prove me wrong and demonstrate a reality where God is not part of.
Not the "angles and demons" God. rather God.
The one thing we all fail to understand until things suddenly "click".

How could we even start to prove to you that God doesn't exist if we don't even know what's your definition of "God" and what makes you say he exist. I might as well tell you to prove to me that Glarpu doesn't exist.

Evangelicalhumanist · May 24, 2020

Segev Moran said:
I've been an atheist for some time.
Quite a long time.
I had good life.
I still do
But today i fear, i wasted a lot of time in my life if what i've learned about God is true.
Not that I am not grateful that i discovered it, but it is a scary thought to suddenly understand how blind you were in the past and how many wrong decision i could have avoided if i've learned God a few years earlier.

So to overcome that fear, i would love someone to prove me wrong and demonstrate a reality where God is not part of.
Not the "angles and demons" God. rather God.
The one thing we all fail to understand until things suddenly "click".

I'm afraid that you haven't even shown that there is some difference between "the angels and demons god" and "God."

If you fail to do that, there's no reason anyone should answer your question than they should try to demonstrate a reality that pink unicorns are not part of.

Heyo · May 24, 2020

Segev Moran said:
So to overcome that fear, i would love someone to prove me wrong and demonstrate a reality where God is not part of.
Not the "angles and demons" God. rather God.
The one thing we all fail to understand until things suddenly "click".

I can't prove you wrong. You haven't made a claim yet.
And besides, I'd have no incentive to prove you wrong. My "creed" is: I don't know what god is - and neither do you. You have confirmed that you don't know what god is, so we agree.
And with an unknown god you are unlikely to claim rights or superiority based on that belief, so you are harmless.
And your development isn't that unusual. Anthony Flew, a famous atheist turned deist when he had dementia.

John53 · May 24, 2020

Segev Moran said:
So to overcome that fear, i would love someone to prove me wrong and demonstrate a reality where God is not part of.

In my reality there are no gods. Does that answer your query?

If not maybe this does. In your reality before it "clicked" there were no gods.

Kenny · May 24, 2020

Segev Moran said:
I've been an atheist for some time.
Quite a long time.
I had good life.
I still do
But today i fear, i wasted a lot of time in my life if what i've learned about God is true.
Not that I am not grateful that i discovered it, but it is a scary thought to suddenly understand how blind you were in the past and how many wrong decision i could have avoided if i've learned God a few years earlier.

So to overcome that fear, i would love someone to prove me wrong and demonstrate a reality where God is not part of.
Not the "angles and demons" God. rather God.
The one thing we all fail to understand until things suddenly "click".

I think the door is always being knocked on but our mind, life, the world etc crowd out the sound of God. As time passes, the voices of those things that don't matter being falling away, static is lessened and that "knock on the door" becomes more hearable.

It's a first step in a journey.

When is not important. Life is much more that the 120 possible years of a person. Regrets leads to disillusion and depression.

A God of order would have natural laws to order.

As the hymn goes... "I once was lost and now I am found, was blind but now I see".

dybmh · May 24, 2020

Jos said:
What do you mean nothing is wasted?

The author of the OP is troubled with wasting time in ignorance. I proposed that the present knowledge depended on the previous ignorance.

sun rise · May 24, 2020

Segev Moran said:
I am 100% precent sure, without a shred of a doubt there is a God
I learn it every passing day, and every day it SCARES me to realize how much i have missed.

Segev Moran said:
And yes, It scares me to find to much truth in places i've once thought to be idiotic.
So as i am used to, I am looking for people to shout out why it might be that i am wrong.

I've met no one and never expect to meet anyone who does not regret what they have missed. But why do you write "scares"? I don't understand.

QuestioningMind · May 24, 2020

Segev Moran said:
I've been an atheist for some time.
Quite a long time.
I had good life.
I still do
But today i fear, i wasted a lot of time in my life if what i've learned about God is true.
Not that I am not grateful that i discovered it, but it is a scary thought to suddenly understand how blind you were in the past and how many wrong decision i could have avoided if i've learned God a few years earlier.

So to overcome that fear, i would love someone to prove me wrong and demonstrate a reality where God is not part of.
Not the "angles and demons" God. rather God.
The one thing we all fail to understand until things suddenly "click".

Until you decide to share with us what verifiable evidence caused you to change your mind about the existence of a god, it's impossible for anyone to answer your question.

Koldo · May 24, 2020

Segev Moran said:
It is a bit vague because it is hard to write things that relate to such matters.
You can maybe give me a pointer to what will make things more clear for you

I don't even know what you mean by 'God'.
This is a word that means entirely different things to different people.

Segev Moran · May 24, 2020

dybmh said:
Are you really afraid of this? It seems unlikely to me, just a hunch.

But if this is an honest concern, maybe keep this in mind?

The present depends on the past. Nothing has been wasted

Actually, The past is also depending on the present.
But it is not that kind of fear

Segev Moran · May 24, 2020

taykair said:
I'm no expert on all this "falsifiable science" vs. "non-falsifiable mysticism" stuff, so I won't get into all that.

Its quite important though.
It is what makes science so powerful tool to teach us our reallity.
In a nut shell...
If you have a theory that cannot be disproved, it will not be regarded as a scientific theory, so it needs to be both proven and not broken.
A scientific theory also defines predictions that will prove the theory right.
For example, i can theorize that flies will be 50 times bigger in the next 100 years.
The prediction cannot be "because i said so". it must a valid measurement points in its way.
So i can say that based on my theory, in 30 days, the average size of all flies will double.
It is measurable.
The more correct prediction we find, the "stronger" the theory becomes.
if even one time, it is proven otherwise, the entire theory can be changed and modified based on the new results.
This is not how religion works these days.
It actually almost works the other way around.
Too many people disregard what science teaches and it causes great harm to societies in many countries in the world (if not all)

Segev Moran · May 24, 2020

George-ananda said:
This is really an odd request.

Thanks

My thought is why be so hung up about the past? Worry about the present and future and treat the past as a learning experience.

Easier said than done

I think we are a 100% of our experiences.
If our brain was so easily programmed, life would be amazing.
But the task is much harder than what you describe here.
The only way for me to understand me, is by studying my past.
The only way for me to improve my future, is to understand what in my past brought me here and how can i improve that.

What is there about the past that is so bothering? Do you not think the universe is understanding?

What do you mean when you say the "universe is understanding?"
I don't think it is wise to forget your past.
I think it is something many people don't do enough.
Most people I meet simply accept themselves and blame it on the past instead of dealing with the past.
What you wrote here is a half of the story

You need to understand the universe before the universe can understand you.
Once you understand the universe... who knows

Segev Moran · May 24, 2020

Amanaki said:
I think we all been there to me it was more about realizing how little i knew but it is never to late to begin you can still practice spiritual life if that is what you truly want

Not really

I wouldn't call it spiritual life.
Don't get me wrong, it is quite obvious that there are many things we don't really understand yet that might seem "spiritual".
But i understand much better with logic.

Segev Moran · May 24, 2020

Brickjectivity said:
What did you learn? I am not able to remember your previous threads. I'm sorry about that. I remember your avatar, but I believe some time has passed since I read a post by you.

I've learned quite a lot, but very little.
If you have a specific question i will happily answer.
Yes, there was a long break in the past several months.

taykair · May 24, 2020

Segev Moran said:
Its quite important though....

No. It's really not. Not to me, anyway.

I understand what you're saying, but whether a claim can be falsified or not really makes little difference to me (or, for that matter, to the claim itself, from what I understand).

Of course, actually being able to falsify a claim does render the claim inaccurate, but saying that a claim cannot be falsified doesn't make the claim either true or false -- so, as an argument against a claim, it's rather worthless.

At another site, long ago, someone decided that he was going to destroy my argument concerning some metaphysical position I was defending at the time (damned if I can remember what it was) by simply posting. "Your statement cannot be falsified, therefore it is meaningless."

Now of course, what he meant was that my claim may have been (in fact, it probably was) scientifically meaningless. As this was the first time that I had encountered such a view, I really didn't know how to respond. These days, I'd probably answer, "So what?"

Segev Moran · May 24, 2020

Left Coast said:
This basically sounds like pantheism.

Pantheism - Wikipedia

Pantheism (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

I am not greatly familiar with it.
But it is only part of it.
God is indeed a part of you same as you are part of it.
It cannot be otherwise as everything derives from it.
That said. it impacts each aspect of our lives.
The direct impact can be easily measured today using common statistics.

Evangelicalhumanist · May 24, 2020

Segev Moran said:
I am not greatly familiar with it.
But it is only part of it.
God is indeed a part of you same as you are part of it.
It cannot be otherwise as everything derives from it.
That said. it impacts each aspect of our lives.
The direct impact can be easily measured today using common statistics.

Yet all that you are doing is making completely unsubstantiated -- unverifiable -- statements of presumed fact.

So what makes you suspect that your new presumptions are suddenly so much more impactful than your old ones?

George-ananda · May 24, 2020

Segev Moran said:
What do you mean when you say the "universe is understanding?"

That your past is not held against you. Take the lessons from the past as learning experiences to be smarter in the future.

Segev Moran · May 24, 2020

epronovost said:
How could we even start to prove to you that God doesn't exist if we don't even know what's your definition of "God" and what makes you say he exist. I might as well tell you to prove to me that Glarpu doesn't exist.

I don't have a definition of God.
Think of it as undefined.
Yet God defines us.
It literally defined us.
so i would say God is what defined the reality as we experience.
Although it is undefined, you can see its impact.
The same as you can see the impact of gravity.

Left Coast · May 24, 2020

Segev Moran said:
I am not greatly familiar with it.
But it is only part of it.
God is indeed a part of you same as you are part of it.
It cannot be otherwise as everything derives from it.
That said. it impacts each aspect of our lives.
The direct impact can be easily measured today using common statistics.

In that case, it sounds more like Panentheism.

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