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On Celebration of the Six-Day War

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Today, I came across a thread celebrating the Israeli victory in the Six-Day War. Aside from finding it unfortunate that occupation of foreign lands would be a cause for celebration for anyone, I wanted to share my own take on the memory of the event.

As some members may or may not know, the Egyptian Army employs conscription for all eligible males aged 19 and above. This means that in 1967, many who fought and died in the Six-Day War were conscripts--people who didn't even voluntarily choose to participate in the war involving Egypt, my country, and Israel. It was a tragic event for many Egyptian and, I assume, Israeli families who lost loved ones in the war.

Aside from the above, the occupation of Sinai was also a sad outcome that only led to further tension between the neighboring countries and required another war to resolve with a peace treaty, and it still leaves a trail of bad blood among some in the two countries even today. I'm a believer that Egypt and Israel can coexist under specific circumstances. Occupation by either of any part of the other's territory is not one of those circumstances.

So, instead of celebrating such an unfortunate point in both countries' histories, I would rather take the anniversary of the Six-Day War as an opportunity to express my wishes for a better, more peaceful future between Egypt and Israel. I hope neither I nor any of my Israeli neighbors are ever forced to die in a war against each other.

Wishing both Egypt and Israel the best during these difficult times in the pandemic--and also wishing for a future in which neither country celebrates an event full of unnecessary deaths and occupation.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Peace will come when Jews and Muslims can say to each other AND MEAN peace be unto you: Shalom Aleichem/As-salamu alaykum and answer each other with Upon you, peace: Wa ʿalaykumu s-salam/Aleichem Shalom.

I pray, using words of a round I know: May the Light of God's Silence break in every heart. Let there be peace and love among all beings in the universe.
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
I'm a believer that Egypt and Israel can coexist under specific circumstances. Occupation by either of any part of the other's territory is not one of those circumstances

I think there are and were many who believed the some. I remember such a treaty between Israel and Egypt. Unfortunately, extremists on both sides assassinated their respective leaders.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I don't think Israel is occupying any foreign land. They earn the right to own the territory.

I can appreciate your concern, but it's most likely not a good idea to get into any of that in this sort of thread. If you or anyone else wants to discuss those issues, I think it would be best to raise them in a separate thread.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
I can appreciate your concern, but it's most likely not a good idea to get into any of that in this sort of thread.
Although the thread is in the ME Politics section, which is in the Political Debates section. Just sayin'.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Although the thread is in the ME Politics section, which is in the Political Debates section. Just sayin'.

I could move it to a discussion section, if that would make you more comfortable. Either way, it's all good to me.

EDIT: Actually, I should leave that up to DS, the thread author.
 

Harel13

Am Yisrael Chai
Staff member
Premium Member
I could move it to a discussion section, if that would make you more comfortable. Either way, it's all good to me.
I don't care. I assume DS thought for a bit deciding where to post the thread. I'm merely pointing out that as this is the correct section for debates on ME Politics, there technically was no problem in @Hellbound Serpiente's statement.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
..technically was no problem in @Hellbound Serpiente's statement.

Indeed, I know that. I was careful to ask, not demand that he refrain from debating those issues in this thread. I could be wrong, but having worked with DS for years now, I suspect he'd prefer his thread opposing war, etc not turn into a rhetorical bloodbath -- as almost every debate on these same matters has in the past. But taking counsel from your concerns, I will ask DS about his preferences. You're right about the thread being oddly located, given its topic and spirit.
 

Jedster

Well-Known Member
Although the thread is in the ME Politics section, which is in the Political Debates section. Just sayin'.

Today is not 1967.Noone remembers the threats Israel was under, or cares, and most of the people here were not there and rely purely on newspaper reports/Wiki etc which have changed the Israeli-Arab(as in Arab countries) war into an Israeli -Palestinian war(as we all do in most subjects they have no direct experience of). The truth has long been buried, in many peoples' minds Israel is the aggressor. Especially with the great world powers becoming players.

However I still hope for a peaceful outcome, even though many say 'na'
I am optimistic because I believe in the human ability of changing the world.

You youngsters are the future. Maybe one day all the youth worldwide will give their governments a good 'putch in tuchus' and reclaim the planet
E.G I know that the Israeli youth and Iranian youth have their own relationship outside their governments as there is between Israelis and Arabs in the Arab countries. I put my hope in these seemingly small examples.
Newspapers only report the bad things.

Like you ,I personally celebrate the victory because I know first hand what it prevented, just as people still celebrate the end of WW2
Most countries celebrate their victories long after the wars that took place much more than 53 years ago

Anyway, this shall be my last contribution on the subject as I have been through this debate/discussion too many times since I have been online(1995).

חג שמח
 
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Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Although the thread is in the ME Politics section, which is in the Political Debates section. Just sayin'.

I could move it to a discussion section, if that would make you more comfortable. Either way, it's all good to me.

EDIT: Actually, I should leave that up to DS, the thread author.

I don't care. I assume DS thought for a bit deciding where to post the thread. I'm merely pointing out that as this is the correct section for debates on ME Politics, there technically was no problem in @Hellbound Serpiente's statement.

Indeed, I know that. I was careful to ask, not demand that he refrain from debating those issues in this thread. I could be wrong, but having worked with DS for years now, I suspect he'd prefer his thread opposing war, etc not turn into a rhetorical bloodbath -- as almost every debate on these same matters has in the past. But taking counsel from your concerns, I will ask DS about his preferences. You're right about the thread being oddly located, given its topic and spirit.

Both of you are right, actually: I would prefer that this thread not turn into yet another debate about which territory belongs to whom, and this is also a forum section where debating such is allowed.

I simply took a leap of faith and trusted that most members would agree with the sentiments I expressed in the OP. The reason I placed this thread here despite my lack of desire to debate this subject is that I know the subject of Arab-Israeli conflicts is a perpetually fertile ground for debate, for better or worse.

That said, my stance stays the same regardless of any debate posts in this thread: I would rather celebrate decades of no war than celebrate any "victory" in a war. I think there would be much more peace in the Middle East if this mindset were more common in Israel and its Arab neighbors.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Today is not 1967.Noone remembers the threats Israel was under, or cares, and most of the people here were not there and rely purely on newspaper reports/Wiki etc which have changed the Israeli-Arab(as in Arab countries) war into an Israeli -Palestinian war(as we all do in most subjects they have no direct experience of). The truth has long been buried, in many peoples' minds Israel is the aggressor. Especially with the great world powers becoming players.

However I still hope for a peaceful outcome, even though many say 'na'
I am optimistic because I believe in the human ability of changing the world.

You youngsters are the future. Maybe one day all the youth worldwide will give their governments a good 'putch in tuchus' and reclaim the planet
E.G I know that the Israeli youth and Iranian youth have their own relationship outside their governments as there is between Israelis and Arabs in the Arab countries. I put my hope in these seemingly small examples.
Newspapers only report the bad things.

Like you ,I personally celebrate the victory because I know first hand what it prevented, just as people still celebrate the end of WW2
Most countries celebrate their victories long after the wars that took place much more than 53 years ago

Anyway, this shall be my last contribution on the subject as I have been through this debate/discussion too many times since I have been online(1995).

חג שמח

I believe both Egypt and Israel were under threat in 1967. It was a dark time for both countries; that much I think we can agree on.

Speaking of dark times, I hope you're staying safe.

Salaam/shalom.
 

Jedster

Well-Known Member
I believe both Egypt and Israel were under threat in 1967. It was a dark time for both countries; that much I think we can agree on.

Speaking of dark times, I hope you're staying safe.

Salaam/shalom.

Thanks for that.
I am always hopeful for an improved future for all of us.

السلام والسعادة (I hope got that right, if not blame google translate :))
 
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