Something you don't seem to grasp is that we do fathom the arguments.
I've been hearing them for decades.
People like you keep bringing them up as though the arguments are new when they're not.
Tom
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God And Homosexuality
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I've been hearing them for decades.
People like you keep bringing them up as though the arguments are new when they're not.
Tom
Tazarah
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The promise offered to Israel does not consist of being a forced servant to any other group of people. The gentiles that are being spoken of in the kingdom prophecies in Isaiah and Amos clearly are not descendants of the Israelites because it is unlawful for Israelites to have other Israelites as servants or slaves.
Your theology most definitely makes the scriptures contradict themselves. Isaiah 60:11-12 clearly says that the gentiles will serve Israel or be destroyed, then all of a sudden according to your theology concerning the NT, the prophecy regarding the gentiles in Isaiah and Amos are invalid and the gentiles are now capable of receiving the same promise as Israel?
Isaiah 61:5-6 says that the gentiles will be doing field work for the Israelites in the kingdom while the Israelites will be the priests and ministers of God.
I don't know how else to break it down for you but if you can't understand that that's not partaking in the "promise" then I don't know what else to tell you.
I did just notice your white Jesus avatar so that does help explain where a lot of your confusion comes from -- you clearly believe in things that are found nowhere in the bible.
Tazarah
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Where does the bible say this?
Tazarah
Well-Known Member
Exactly. It's very hard to take a person seriously when they repeatedly resort to personal attacks due to the fact that they cannot form a proper and intelligent response or rebuttal to the information being presented. That just goes to show how they actually don't have any idea what they're talking about.
Oh, don't start..
Spartan
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Anyone who is trying to legitimize illicit gay sex sin in the Bible has yet to fathom the truth.
Spartan
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True, but then then there's been no credible argument yet by the Biblically challenged that what I presented is disreputable nonsense.
I saw the source and didn't bother to read it. I don't read garbage from loons who promote pseudo-scientific torture that is banned in civilized areas.
Genesis 1:27
The Gender of God
Gender of God in Judaism - Wikipedia
The genders arise from the one; just like the dark and the light
God doesn't have a form that is distinctly male vs female. All were created in the image and not images
Spartan
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"It is true that the Bible often uses masculine terms to describe God or His activities. Male names/terms are applied to God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit throughout Scripture. The names for God—Yahweh, Elohim, Shaddai, Sebbaoth, Adonai, Kurios, and Theos—are all masculine gender. Furthermore, male metaphors frequently are applied to God. The psalmist cried, “The Lord is king for ever and ever” (10:16) and wrote that “like as a father pitieth his children, so Jehovah pitieth them that fear him” (Psalm 103:13). Nehemiah represented God as a warrior when he wrote: “Our God will fight for us” (4: 20). Jeremiah portrayed God as a spurned husband (3:1-2). Jesus likened God to a loving Father (Luke 15:11-32). The names for Christ—Iesus and Christos—are masculine. And Jesus is presented in the male roles of a shepherd (Matthew 25:32; John 10:11-18), a prophet (Luke 13:33), a priest (Matthew 26:28; Hebrews 7:24-28), a bridegroom (Matthew 22:1-4), and a son (Mark 1:11; John 3:16 [John mentions the father-son relationship more than 60 times in his Gospel]; Hebrews 1:2-3)."
"It is true that the Bible often uses masculine terms to describe God or His activities. Male names/terms are applied to God, Christ, and the Holy Spirit throughout Scripture. The names for God—Yahweh, Elohim, Shaddai, Sebbaoth, Adonai, Kurios, and Theos—are all masculine gender. Furthermore, male metaphors frequently are applied to God. The psalmist cried, “The Lord is king for ever and ever” (10:16) and wrote that “like as a father pitieth his children, so Jehovah pitieth them that fear him” (Psalm 103:13). Nehemiah represented God as a warrior when he wrote: “Our God will fight for us” (4: 20). Jeremiah portrayed God as a spurned husband (3:1-2). Jesus likened God to a loving Father (Luke 15:11-32). The names for Christ—Iesus and Christos—are masculine. And Jesus is presented in the male roles of a shepherd (Matthew 25:32; John 10:11-18), a prophet (Luke 13:33), a priest (Matthew 26:28; Hebrews 7:24-28), a bridegroom (Matthew 22:1-4), and a son (Mark 1:11; John 3:16 [John mentions the father-son relationship more than 60 times in his Gospel]; Hebrews 1:2-3)."
"Christ Himself left us the perfect example (as He always did) when He said: “Our Father Who art in heaven, hallowed by thy name” (Matthew 6:9, emp. added). The fact that biblical designations of God are placed within the specific framework of the masculine settles the matter once and for all. It simply is not a matter up for discussion."
And on the other hand, God is Spirit.
Is God Male?
Spartan
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Exodus International apologized for those prior views some time ago. Sorry you missed it. "Unless you forgive others their sins, God will not forgive your sins." - Matthew 6:15
Personally, I do believe in a gay conversion strategy - repenting and praying to the Holy Spirit. Many testimonials on the net about how God / the Holy Spirit, enabled gays to go straight.
Now, is gay sex a sin in your understanding? Yes or no.
One final thing: you evidently are STILL unable to provide a cogent response to the material provided in the article.
I thought Exodus went out of business a while ago, honestly.
No, I don't believe gay sex is a sin or that it's possible to change your orientation, although it may obviously be in flux for some. I don't think God cares what your orientation is, either. I support gay marriage as a way to provide stability for LGB people and families. The promiscuity in gay male culture to a large extent is due to homosexuality being driven underground and them not being able to form normal open romantic relationships like their heterosexual counterparts. I oppose that promiscuity but it's not going to go away by shaming and demonizing homosexuality as that's what caused it in the first place. I'd love for toxic apps like Grindr to not exist. I'd love for gay men and bisexual men everywhere to be able to have monogamous, fulfilling and healthy relationships like heterosexuals are able to.
So I'm actually fairly conservative when it comes to sexual ethics although I'm not innocent and have been rather slutty at times, regrettably.
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God created the first humans both male/female. Then he divided/separated them physically.
And his also has feminine aspects, like masculine. The shekinah
Tazarah
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Again, where does the bible say this? I don't expect you to be able to provide an answer to this because the bible does not substantiate this line of thinking.
God is referred to as "he" and "the father" all throughout the scriptures.
god is not a he, any less than its a she. the language you are reading it in is patriarchal dominated society. the image is neither male nor female but both.
Genesis 1:27 and furthermore it tells you that God has no form deuteronomy 4:15
The remarkable contradiction between the two above-quoted passages of Genesis could not escape the attention of the Pharisees, for whom the Bible was a subject of close study. In explaining the various views concerning Eve's creation, they taught[7] that Adam was created as a man-woman (androgynous), explaining זָכָ֥ר וּנְקֵבָ֖ה (Genesis 1:27) as "male and female" instead of "man and woman," and that the separation of the sexes arose from the subsequent operation upon Adam's body, as related in the Scripture. This explains Philo's statement that the original man was neither man nor woman.
and FYI the word being used as Father in the NT can also simply be originator; which doesn't denote a gender/sex.
but if it helps you to define god as masculine and believe, believe, believe, go right ahead. genesis 1:27 tells you otherwise. the male and female came from god's image. God's image is formless, meaning it's infinite
the conjunction is "and" and not "or" for a reason. the singular image and not images.
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BilliardsBall
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It's not demonstrably false, the Bible God does put homosexual sin in the same lists as other sins.
Of course, same sex couples cause pain for others and themselves. If you want to look at the facts, let me know.
If your "less primitive" ethics include fornication, drug abuse and false witness... I'd urge you to consider our kind God, who tells us hard truths because He loves us, not because He hates us.
No, they don't, in of themselves. Only to bigots who need to mind their own business in the first place.
Mitty
Active Member
Jesus said nothing about homosexuality, nor why he loved one of his disciples instead of cleaving to a wife (John 19:25 21:7). In contrast, he condemned all remarried divorcees to hell for their adulterous marriages (Mark 10:11-12 Matthew 5:27-30).
And the bible says nothing about female homosexuality but only refers to anal sex of women and men which is described as "vile" and "unseemly" (Romans 1:26-27) and disgusting (Leviticus 18 & 20), as is eating oysters (Leviticus 11).
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