Where's the wrong in nudity in public?

MonkeyFire · May 15, 2020

Polymath257 said:
I don't see what is gross about it.

More interesting is why you think being a straight male is relevant (I am also straight and see no problem with it).

You have previously said that female nudity would be 'even worse'. Could you explain why?

It wouldn't be directed at you or your any more than my wearing clothes is so directed. It has nothing to do with you.

Again, I fail to see how that is happening. The sanctity of faith and love has *nothing* that I can see that concerns other people being naked.

What line?

Because if you see my wife naked it's like killing my FAITH. Start **** with me and the Lamb of God will protect me. If you want to be gay that's fine.

MonkeyFire · May 15, 2020

Public nudity public nudity is sexual harassment, while forcing someone to were clothes is not.

Valjean · May 15, 2020

Good-Ole-Rebel said:
I have considered this question of where comes the wrong of nudity in public. What do the evolutionist's say?

Cultural norms and attitudes are more the bailiwick of anthropologists, sociologists and psychologists. I don't know that "evolutionists" have any particular opinion on the matter.

Most evolutionist's I know wear clothes. Why? I thought evolution was always for the better to survive. Why would an animal evolve into losing a hide and coat perfectly fitted for his environment and turn into a human that needed to find clothing as his skin was not able to survive the environment?

Wouldn't adherence to cultural norms confer fitness?

You have a biologically incorrect view of fitness. The "better" survive? Better isn't what you think it is, and a feature suited to one environment might not be suitable for another.

And, where does this sense of 'shame' come from in being nude in public. I am not saying it is not there, it is. But where does it come from. Animals don't have it. They crap and have sex anywhere they want. But man has a sense of shame in this area. Where does it come from?

Culture, of course. It's a human construct. What's shameful in one culture might be encouraged in another.
If people were 'naturally' modest I'd expect it to be reflected in almost all societies.

columbus · May 15, 2020

MonkeyFire said:
Stfu or I report and block you. My body is beautiful so are my tots but that is non of your perverse business. Your the one who is hated by God.

This is so religious.

Hate and insults.

You are definitely a solid spokesman for your God. Totally Solid!
Tom

Valjean · May 15, 2020

SomeRandom said:
Clothing protects against the elements. It’s also more hygienic in general, which would obviously be a concern nowadays.
Nudist beaches, nudists clubs, your own home. These are places where you can not dress to your heart’s content. Nobody will care. But in public, after so many a health crisis, pandemics etc I don’t see why one would strut around nude.

It wasn't that long ago when people said the same thing about women baring their arms or legs. It's cultural, and norms are always in flux.
I don't understand how you're connecting health and dress. Explain?

Unless you’re an out and out exhibitionist. Not that I particularly care if someone does walk around nude in public. Just seems to be asking for a disease these days, though.

Wouldn't a conservatively dressed American churchwoman be considered an exhibitionist in certain middle Eastern regions? -- or in turn-of-the-century (1900) America, for that matter?

The_Fisher_King said: ↑
So no concerns with women as well as men going topless in public?

SomeRandom said:
Not particularly. Might elicit some nervous giggles from some folk. Perhaps a few rude stares. But I mean I don’t particularly care myself. America is supposedly more prudish than most western countries, though.

You might be surprised how fast the titillation wears off. Nobody giggles about bared arms or legs these days, but there was a time when this was shocking.

Valjean · May 15, 2020

MonkeyFire said:
you can not subject me and my dear children to that filth. I'm pretty sure that what a legislature is for. When they need to tell Democrats no. Why I am now an independent.

You consider God's creation filth?
How are you going to explain your disparagement of God's good work when you stand before him to give an account of your life?
How do you decide what's filth? Is uncovered hair filth? Arms? Legs? All are or have been tabu at some point.

MonkeyFire · May 15, 2020

Valjean said:
You consider God's creation filth?
How are you going to explain your disparagement of God's good work when you stand before him to give an account of your life?
How do you decide what's filth? Is uncovered hair filth? Arms? Legs? All are or have been tabu at some point.

Don't put words in my mouth again or you will be reported for sexual abuse.

Valjean · May 15, 2020

MonkeyFire said:
Because if you see my wife naked it's like killing my FAITH. Start **** with me and the Lamb of God will protect me. If you want to be gay that's fine.

How would my seeing your wife naked affect you're beliefs?

MonkeyFire · May 15, 2020

Valjean said:
How would my seeing your wife naked affect you're beliefs?

It's called faith. If your insinuating something, you'd better stop.

columbus · May 15, 2020

MonkeyFire said:
It's called faith.

What, precisely, are you calling faith?

In this thread, the one to which you're replying.

You're calling this faith. What I'm seeing is a religionist insisting that his opinions are God's, without giving any reason beyond your own opinion. This is why I don't think that God is anything but a fictional character created in the image of the religious believers who insist on their own faith.
Tom

Valjean · May 15, 2020

MonkeyFire said:
It's called faith. If your insinuating something, you'd better stop.

Faith is unfounded or poorly supported belief. Again, how would someone seeing your naked wife affect your faith?

Insinuating something? I think I'm being pretty upfront.
I think you're reading more into my posts than was intended.

MonkeyFire · May 15, 2020

Valjean said:
Faith is unfounded or poorly supported belief. Again, how would someone seeing your naked wife affect your faith?

Insinuating something? I think I'm being pretty upfront.
I think you're reading more into my posts than was intended.

I said stop. Faith in love. Infidelity.

Skwim · May 15, 2020

MonkeyFire said:
Public nudity public nudity is sexual harassment, while forcing someone to were clothes is not.

Why "sexual" harassment? Why not just harassment? Or is it that the sight of a naked male body turns you on sexually? WHOA! Hold On There. I think we may be on to something here. You think the naked male body is filth because it turns you on. Is that it? Not that there's anything wrong with being turned on by some naked guy, but that you feel it shouldn't happen to you. That about it?

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Polymath257 · May 15, 2020

MonkeyFire said:
Because if you see my wife naked it's like killing my FAITH. Start **** with me and the Lamb of God will protect me. If you want to be gay that's fine.

I can assure you I have no interest in you or your wife or your family.

But how is it killing your faith? Seriously, what possible effect could it have on your faith?

Polymath257 · May 15, 2020

MonkeyFire said:
Stfu or I report and block you. My body is beautiful so are my tots but that is non of your perverse business. Your the one who is hated by God.

So it is not filthy. But seeing it is.

Saint Frankenstein · May 15, 2020

I have no problem with public nudity. If it was good enough for the Classical Greeks, it's good enough for me. Even most of my gods were portrayed nude (the only one who was never depicted nude to my knowledge was Athena). There's nothing wrong with or shameful about the human body. It should be celebrated as a work of art and beauty, and automatically inflating it with sex is a product of a perverse mind. But of course modern American society is extremely perverted and sex obsessed.

Skwim · May 15, 2020

MonkeyFire said:
Stfu or I report and block you.

Shut The F-word Up? That's a pretty outrageous command coming from a Faithful Jesus believer. I wasn't aware Christians were allowed to say, or even conjure up, the F word. But live and learn I guess.

MonkeyFire said:
Don't put words in my mouth again or you will be reported for sexual abuse.

Okay, it's obvious you haven't the faintest idea of what "sexual abuse" means.

FYI

"sexual abuse
Unwanted sexual activity forced on a person by another through coercion or threats."

Trying to sound like Donald Trump is no way to go through life, young man.

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MonkeyFire · May 15, 2020

Skwim said:
Shut The F-word Up? That's a pretty outrageous command coming from a Faithful Jesus believer. I wasn't aware Christians were allowed to say, or even conjure up, the F word. But live and learn I guess.

Okay, it's obvious you haven't the faintest idea of what "sexual abuse" means.

FYI

"sexual abuse
Unwanted sexual activity forced on a person by another through coercion or threats."

Trying to sound like Donald Trump is no way to go through life, young man.

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I hate Donald Trump, I'm just angry at you.

SomeRandom · May 15, 2020

Valjean said:
It wasn't that long ago when people said the same thing about women baring their arms or legs. It's cultural, and norms are always in flux.
I don't understand how you're connecting health and dress. Explain?
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Well I wouldn’t want to be naked in public when my “red aunt” visits me that month, if you catch my drift?
I know it’s cultural. I’m half and half myself. The dress code for one half of my heritage is vastly different from the other. Including which body parts are not polite to show. For instance at an Indian event no one will notice the ladies baring their bellybuttons as that is culturally acceptable. But they might do a double take at a women going around topless.
I don’t really care if someone wants to walk around public in the nude. That’s their business.

Valjean said:
Wouldn't a conservatively dressed American churchwoman be considered an exhibitionist in certain middle Eastern regions? -- or in turn-of-the-century (1900) America, for that matter?

The_Fisher_King said: ↑
So no concerns with women as well as men going topless in public?
You might be surprised how fast the titillation wears off. Nobody giggles about bared arms or legs these days, but there was a time when this was shocking.

I see no concerns with women going topless. I’m just saying it will take a bit of time to shift the cultural attitudes. In America they still censor nudity on TV, often times even after prime time.This shocked me as in Australia, even free to air channels don’t bother. As any programming with nudity would be shown after prime time anyway.
Pfft America home of the brave and land of the free indeed. I saw more censorship during my stay in California than even my home state.

MonkeyFire · May 15, 2020

Polymath257 said:
So it is not filthy. But seeing it is.

These be fighting words, capeeche.

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