I mean...sure. I would.
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God And Homosexuality
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I mean...sure. I would.
Skwim
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Didn't know there was a difference, but go ahead and sock it to me. I'll take whatever you have.
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Skwim
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And, because I only cited Biblical scripture it should be evident that I'm only concerned with the god of Abraham.
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Skwim
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Then why bother to single out homosexual sex?
Well, in specifically citing homosexual sex the Bible made it its business.
And that's the question here, why single out same-sex sex? And so frequently no less. Thing is, it is natural, just not common. Like left handedness: it's natural but not common.
And, as has been observed:
"No species has been found in which homosexual behaviour has not been shown to exist, with the exception of species that never have sex at all, such as sea urchins and aphids."
Source: Wikipedia
Source: Wikipedia
This is not official representation of my Church.
First of all, we have to love and respect the homosexual.
Due to pressure, we don't excommunicate people for having gay marriage. We have to consider it a transgression though; we can't just throw out the Bible, or do you think we'd do better as a church if we did throw it out?
A heterosexual sin carries the same weight as a homosexual sin.
True, but as this is GRD I felt like giving my interpretation. I also added that the scriptures quoted are written by errant men.
But, Why are you so concerned with the God of Abraham? Is it your God?
Skwim
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Skwim
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Then you'd contend that "If a man lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Adapted from Leviticus 20:13)
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.
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Hell if I know. I’d ask the God of Abraham if I could, but he’s somewhat notorious for being the strong silent type.
Skwim
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Claims to the contrary here, he's supposedly the author of all the anti-homosexual sex passages in the Bible.
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Unveiled Artist
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The bible doesn't. It has rape, abuse, and sex (among other things) that are immoral. Same-sex sex (not homosexual sex) was practiced out of lust in scripture not of love, commitment, and affection. The definition in the bible isn't the same as what we know it is today.
In scripture, same sex-sex isn't bigger than rape. Sexual promiscuity is considered a sin. Same-sex sex is just part of it.
The bible's definition isn't the same as what we know it today. We can't judge today's standards on those in another country, culture, time period, and political views.
Non lgbtq christians define homosexuality by means of attraction to sex not as an a sexual orientation depart from the act of sex. So, the definitions are off thats why its sinful.
Edit: You are digging for the answers until your fingers bleed, to satisfy the hunger, to satiate the need.... And as you pray in your darkness for wings to set you free, you are bound to your silent legacy. ~Melissa Etheridge, "Silent Legacy," Yes I Am, 1993
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Skwim
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So what's the book, chapter, and verse that, in essence, says "If a man lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."
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Tazarah
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The scriptures never say that God "hates" homosexuals, the law simply states that two men laying down together as a man does with a woman is an abomination.
There are other things that the scriptures state God actually hates:
PROVERBS 6:16-19
"16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
Does this mean God is a "proud look-aphobic"? A "lie-aphobic"? A "murder-phobic"? Etc. (there may be actual legitimate terms for these examples but I'm just trying to make a point).
In fact, God hates sinners in general (people who engage in continuous sin, lead sinful lifestyles, take pleasure in sin, etc.) -- and remember -- the biblical definition of sin is transgression of God's laws.
PSALMS 5:5
"5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
When it comes to why God does not like homosexuality, I believe it's safe to assume that the reason is simply because homosexuality goes against the nature of the way he intended for things to be.
Regardless of whether or not you personally believe God is the creator of nature or has anything to do with the way nature operates -- if nature actually intended for men to be able to have sex with each other, then men would have sexual organs that were compatible with other men -- and homosexual men would not have to resort to coming up with other ways to engage in "sexual" intercourse with one another.
There are other things that the scriptures state God actually hates:
PROVERBS 6:16-19
"16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren."
Does this mean God is a "proud look-aphobic"? A "lie-aphobic"? A "murder-phobic"? Etc. (there may be actual legitimate terms for these examples but I'm just trying to make a point).
In fact, God hates sinners in general (people who engage in continuous sin, lead sinful lifestyles, take pleasure in sin, etc.) -- and remember -- the biblical definition of sin is transgression of God's laws.
PSALMS 5:5
"5 The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity."
When it comes to why God does not like homosexuality, I believe it's safe to assume that the reason is simply because homosexuality goes against the nature of the way he intended for things to be.
Regardless of whether or not you personally believe God is the creator of nature or has anything to do with the way nature operates -- if nature actually intended for men to be able to have sex with each other, then men would have sexual organs that were compatible with other men -- and homosexual men would not have to resort to coming up with other ways to engage in "sexual" intercourse with one another.
You quoted Leviticus 20:13 yourself... a man lying with a man is equal sin to a woman lying with a woman is equal sin to a man lying with a woman.
But we don't put them to death... that is what the atonement is for.
Plus, we don't hate them and neither does God. I made it clear at the start of my posts in this thread that we need to treat them with love and respect, straight or gay, that sin.
Hehe...if I had a dollar for everytime someone said that to me...
PoetPhilosopher
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I'd say that maybe the Bible hates homosexuality, and not God.
If you do your own research, you might also eventually see that the word of God seems to be Jesus, and not the Bible. Though, that idea wouldn't really work in some faiths.
If you do your own research, you might also eventually see that the word of God seems to be Jesus, and not the Bible. Though, that idea wouldn't really work in some faiths.
Tazarah
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Jesus is the word of God, but when Jesus walked the earth he taught from the bible.
Skwim
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Who is this "we"? Got a mouse in your pocket?
And god likes those who practice homosexual sex so much that he want's them surely put to death, because that's the loving thing to do
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)
So what? God certainly didn't. He was against homosexual sex to the point where he wanted anyone who practiced "put to death."