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Jaymes · Dec 19, 2004

I am completely devoid of love for lutefisk. Does this make me evil in respect to lutefisk?

Lord Tanais Rahn · Dec 19, 2004

nice analagy Jensa

Mister Emu · Dec 19, 2004

I am completely devoid of love for lutefisk. Does this make me evil in respect to lutefisk?

Lutefisk, like a cement block, cannot be "loved", someone can love lutefisk in the sense that they find the act of eating it good, but they cannot love the lutefisk itself, it is a recipe.

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Tanais,

Who are you to say an insane person who kills people under the control of an alter-ego will lose all love by being instituionalized, have you talked to every institutionalized person in the world to ask them if they have become devoid of love because of it?

Jaymes · Dec 19, 2004

Something has to be living to be loved? Okay, just change 'lutefisk' to 'cat.'

cardero · Dec 19, 2004

Mister Emu writes: Compassion and love don't always go together. In killing someone to send them to a better after-life you are taking away their free will. Free will to me is an essential part of love.

You are still on the assumption that this is the only existence that you will K(NOW), the will is much more free in the spiritual realm.

Mister Emu writes: Are you saying that you believe multiple personality killers should be roaming the streets because part of the killer doesn't have control of the body, forget all the dead people I guess...

Should they be free to go around killing people?

If you do not want these victims to die by murderous hands, how and when do you expect people to die?

Mister Emu · Dec 20, 2004

You are still on the assumption that this is the only existence that you will K(NOW),

This is incorrect, I believe in an afterlife. You were on the assumption that I was on the assumption... and we have another showing of what assuming does.

the will is much more free in the spiritual realm.

Maybe, but you should have your free will on earth too.

If you do not want these victims to die by murderous hands, how and when do you expect people to die?

Natural Causes, and whenever.

I am completely devoid of love for cats. Does this make me evil in respect to cats?

If you are completley devoid of love for cats, yes you would be evil in respect to felines.

Lord Tanais Rahn · Dec 20, 2004

to answer your initial point, i havent spoken to any crazy people except for myself and my x bf, but tell me, if your locked in nice white padded room, cosy little barred window, what do you have to love? life, your life is worthless if your locked away, other people? the people who lock you away and shun u? i think not

secondly your saying if you dont love something, your evil to that, most christian's dont like gay people, so were hated, and were detested in the bible as far as i can c, so doesnt that make christians and your god evil for disliking my kind?

cardero · Dec 20, 2004

Mister Emu writes: Maybe, but you should have your free will on earth too.

Not going to happen as long as there is government rule and social Law. Which do you want, orderly free will or chaotic free will?

Mister Emu writes: This is incorrect, I believe in an afterlife. You were on the assumption that I was on the assumption... and we have another showing of what assuming does.

Then what would be your concern about how and when someone dies? Why apply so much judgment on someones death when you havent been able to review how they lived their life. For everyone to die of Natural Causes is a little unrealistic and impractical in the society that we live in.

Lord Tanais Rahn · Dec 20, 2004

id say more unlikeyly to die of natural causes in this world and what happens if sum1 is a schizophrenic..one murder, one peaceful...cnt split 1 2 heaven and 1 2 hell...they make each other up

cardero · Dec 20, 2004

Lord Tanis Rahn writes: id say more unlikeyly to die of natural causes in this world and what happens if sum1 is a schizophrenic..one murder, one peaceful...cnt split 1 2 heaven and 1 2 hell...they make each other up

I am not sure what is the most likely way to die in any given society. It would be interesting if this information existed. For example how many people died in car accidents compared to medical related diseases as compared to gun wielding schizophrenics.

Lord Tanais Rahn · Dec 20, 2004

if i hadnt dropped psychology id probably of done that for my coursework, lol! do u believe in the afterlife Cardero

cardero · Dec 20, 2004

Lord Tanis Rahn writes:if i hadnt dropped psychology id probably of done that for my coursework, lol! do u believe in the afterlife Cardero

I believe that our existences are continual. No "befores" and no "afters". I am very well grounded and aware of the NOW and any place that I go beyond this physical existence is just another experience or another chapter of my BEing.

lilithu · Dec 20, 2004

Lord Tanais Rahn said:
sorry if this is the wrong place to put this, but wasnt sure, but i was wondering,
what is evil?

Evil is the absence of good.

Evil is the absence of compassion, empathy, love, desire for truth, justice. Evil is not just actively hurting someone else but passively allowing others to be hurt.

As the famous quote says: All it takes for evil to triumph in this world is for good men to do nothing.

Mister Emu · Dec 20, 2004

secondly your saying if you dont love something, your evil to that, most christian's dont like gay people, so were hated, and were detested in the bible as far as i can c, so doesnt that make christians and your god evil for disliking my kind?

I cannot speak for all Christians, but we are supposed to love everyone. Though I may disagree with your use of free will to commit acts I believe are sins against the one true God, I still have love for you, as does God, or He would not have sent His son to die for the sins of the world.

Not going to happen as long as there is government rule and social Law.

Actually I do have complete and utter free will to do anything, there may be reprocussions for what I do, but I can still do them.

Then what would be your concern about how and when someone dies? Why apply so much judgment on someones death when you havent been able to review how they lived their life. For everyone to die of Natural Causes is a little unrealistic and impractical in the society that we live in

I really couldn't care less how they lived their life, I am concerned about how their death happens because the longer someone lives the more time they have to accept or help other people accept Christ and be saved.

Lord Tanais Rahn · Dec 20, 2004

lilithu what is justice 2 u, mite not be 2 another

example is if someone is selling drugs, a judge may give them 3 years in prison, but 2 us, proper justice mite b death

tell me emu...do u 'love' every1?

jewscout · Dec 20, 2004

chuck010342 said:
well you skipped a big section where Job is described in having lots of stuff. Perhaps Job was materlaistic

Jacob had many things when he returned to the land of Canaan including wives and servants and livestock yet he is a righteous man.
Job is shown as having these things, not because he is a worldly materialistic man, but because he is a good man and HaShem has blessed him for his righteousness.

read a little further Chuck after hearing about having all of his livestock taken and killed and his children crushed by a building this is what Job did:

Job 1:20-22 said:
Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped, And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the L-RD gave, and the L-RD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the L-RD. In all this Job sinned not, nor charged G-d foolishly

Even after his property and family are taken from him, and after he becomes sick with boils on his skin, and after his friends come to him and tell him that he should curse G-d still Job is obiedient and just:

Job 13:13-16 said:
Hold your peace, let me alone, that I may speak, and let come on me what [will]. Wherefore do I take my flesh in my teeth, and put my life in mine hand? Though He slay me, yet will I trust in Him: but I will maintain mine own ways before Him. He also [shall be] my salvation: for an hypocrite shall not come before him.

michel · Dec 20, 2004

I have often asked myself the same question; and the more I try to answer it, the more confused I become.
I have a 'parallel' question, or rather, worry. Since every living being has been created by a supreme being who, presumably had a purpose in doing so (That is if what I have said can be acceptable to readers), we are all Brothers and sisters; we should all love one and other. Should I therefore pray for the devil?
Am i wrong in praying to my deity for succour to the hungry, infirm, tortured, homeless? - if these people are in the predicament that they are in, is it not part of God's purpose? Therefore to pray for their release from their suffering implies that I am not taking God's purpose into account, and that I shall offend 'him'.
I hope someone can understand my dilemma.
Also, is the commitment of a sin by , say you (for example) who do not regard what you are doing as being sinful, a lesser evil than if I commit the same sin?
Do animals have consciences?

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Lord Tanais Rahn · Dec 20, 2004

all very gd questions, 2 ur last, i would have to say yes, animals do ahve conciousnesses and reasons, jst like us humans do

but this is where religion comes 2 it, some think of animals as things 4 humans 2 use, but my Gods, the Ancient Egyptian Lords were normally linked to an animal, my main diety, Anpu (Anubis) as shown as a Jackal,
Horus a Hawk,
Ra an Eagle,
Hathor a Cow,
Sehkmet a Cat
Thoth an Ibis / Baboon
and im shushing now,

to your question of praying to the devil, depends on your viewpoint, but isnt it stated that u should love ur brother, and if we and the angels(hence Lucifer) were created by 'God', so r we not brethren to Lucifer himself? so should we love hi?

your second to last question, do u mean if one person commits the same sin, but one see's it as not so bad, then how do you rate it? r u their level of sinness, or urs? if so, id say it depends on your perception which is my point

the whole concept of evil is perception...subjective choices on your belief or morals in life

cardero · Dec 20, 2004

Mister Emu writes: Actually I do have complete and utter free will to do anything, there may be reprocussions for what I do, but I can still do them.

Not in jail, in jail a convicted person may have other responsibilities and one of them is not exercising free will. REMEMBER there arent too many things that are free in this physical existence.

Mister Emu writes: I really couldn't care less how they lived their life, I am concerned about how their death happens because the longer someone lives the more time they have to accept or help other people accept Christ and be saved.

michel · Dec 21, 2004

I think, for what its worth, that if you are 'gay', then it is perhaps like a tree that does not grow straight up in the air (for example), but grows in an unusual fashion. The Idea of Gay men is not one I can dwell on too much, perhaps because I am sexually insecure and have wondered about my own sexuality.
An amusing, if you can accept it as so, concept of mine is that if I was to be able to choose my life on earth, that I would have liked to have been born a Gay female! - that will no doubt upset the applecart!
No, YOU, as a GAY are a creation of 'God' and as such I believe that God must have a purpose in the design of your being Gay; as long as you dont go out of your way to humiliate 'straights' (I suppose that is what a heterosexual is), then I believe you should be able to enjoy your emotional and sexual life just as much as I do. In fact, you might well fingd that you are in a much more loving relationship than I. Good luck to you, and Ignore the ignorance of the bigots!

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