Director of National Intelligence Declassifies Names

Fool · May 12, 2020

Shad said:
The FBI lies and manipulates to get a case against Flynn yet you care about Trump. Yikes.

it isn't criminal for an investigator to lie during an investigation. police stings are constantly being set up to catch criminal activity. you have to think like a criminal to catch a criminal.

2000 people in the justice department who worked under both democrats and republicans disagree with your unprofessional statement.

again, if simply investigating someone, anyone is a crime then the truth will never be discoverable.

at best it would be a civil case and not criminal

metis · May 12, 2020

The reality is that Flynn lied to Pence, which was the #1 reason why Trump fired him, and both Trump and Pence acknowledged that at time time. Also, twice under FBI scrutiny Flynn admitted culpability. To blame the FBI really doesn't make much sense based on what Flynn, Trump, and Pence said, so to use that as some sort of an excuse is simply ludicrous.

Trump certainly wouldn't want Flynn to testify, and that's a for-sure, so I really don't much of a doubt that there was likely a behind the scene agreement between the two.

The tragedy is that the rule-of-law is in jeopardy when they and Barr are all so willing to play politics in this arena, which begs the question are they getting set for the November election and what they might do if Trump loses. Michael Cohen thinks he knows as he told Congress, and I have to agree that he's probably right.

IMO, Obama is likely right on this, namely that our rule-of-law is now so compromised that basically nothing should be taken off-the-table in terms of what we should expect in November.

esmith · May 12, 2020

metis said:
The reality is that Flynn lied to Pence, which was the #1 reason why Trump fired him, and both Trump and Pence acknowledged that at time time. Also, twice under FBI scrutiny Flynn admitted culpability. To blame the FBI really doesn't make much sense based on what Flynn, Trump, and Pence said, so to use that as some sort of an excuse is simply ludicrous.

Trump certainly wouldn't want Flynn to testify, and that's a for-sure, so I really don't much of a doubt that there was likely a behind the scene agreement between the two.

The tragedy is that the rule-of-law is in jeopardy when they and Barr are all so willing to play politics in this arena, which begs the question are they getting set for the November election and what they might do if Trump loses. Michael Cohen thinks he knows as he told Congress, and I have to agree that he's probably right.

IMO, Obama is likely right on this, namely that our rule-of-law is now so compromised that basically nothing should be taken off-the-table in terms of what we should expect in November.

So how say you concerning Eric Holder dropping the case against Senator Ted Stevens who had been awaiting sentencing on the corruption conviction that contributed to his ouster from office.
US government drops case against Alaska senator Ted Stevens

shmogie · May 13, 2020

Hubert Farnsworth said:
Why do you think porn stars are "nasty?" I don't have anything against Stormy Daniels.

Why do you think she was running for President?

I have no morality conflict. I know ALL politicians are inherently immoral to a greater or lesser degree, and they all are certainly liars.

So every Presidential election is a Faustian choice between two politicians, you choose who will do the least harm and may actuA

Shad said:
The FBI lies and manipulates to get a case against Flynn yet you care about Trump. Yikes.

They do not care about the moral and legal bankruptcy of the FBI leadership and their masters in the Obama administration.

They applaud it. Never, ever forget the progressive mantra, " the end justifies the means", no matter how evil the means.

Load up on some popcorn, soon, even the progressive dolts will see the corruption seeping into their very souls as more, and more, more proof of their sides total depravity comes through the floodgates. They may even have to see it, instead of Trump.

tytlyf · May 13, 2020

shmogie said:
Why do you think she was running for President?

I have no morality conflict. I know ALL politicians are inherently immoral to a greater or lesser degree, and they all are certainly liars.

So every Presidential election is a Faustian choice between two politicians, you choose who will do the least harm and may actuA

They do not care about the moral and legal bankruptcy of the FBI leadership and their masters in the Obama administration.

They applaud it. Never, ever forget the progressive mantra, " the end justifies the means", no matter how evil the means.

Load up on some popcorn, soon, even the progressive dolts will see the corruption seeping into their very souls as more, and more, more proof of their sides total depravity comes through the floodgates. They may even have to see it, instead of Trump.

That's not how you're supposed to vote. You don't vote based on what your feelings tell you. You don't believe lies and vote based on lies.
You're supposed to vote for policies that would benefit you.
That's why I don't vote republican, I'm not interested in capitalist (corporate) policies.
Everyone knows trickle-down doesn't work.

esmith · May 13, 2020

tytlyf said:
That's not how you're supposed to vote. You don't vote based on what your feelings tell you. You don't believe lies and vote based on lies.
You're supposed to vote for policies that would benefit you.
That's why I don't vote republican, I'm not interested in capitalist (corporate) policies.
Everyone knows trickle-down doesn't work.

If you don't believe in a capitalistic economic system why are you still in the U.S.? Wouldn't one of your socialistic or communistic country better fit your beliefs?

shmogie · May 13, 2020

tytlyf said:
That's not how you're supposed to vote. You don't vote based on what your feelings tell you. You don't believe lies and vote based on lies.
You're supposed to vote for policies that would benefit you.
That's why I don't vote republican, I'm not interested in capitalist (corporate) policies.
Everyone knows trickle-down doesn't work.

So, you set the standard by which people are supposed to vote?
I think not.

esmith · May 14, 2020

I know all of you have been waiting with baited breath to find out the names of those that requested that General Flynn's name be unmasked so here we go. Now I expect the usual suspects to do their "nothing to see here, move on" thing, but that is expected.
Overview
List Of Names

metis · May 14, 2020

We do not have a "capitalistic" economic system here in the States as we have what economists call a "mixed economy", namely a mixture of both capitalistic and socialistic programs. If one doesn't like socialism, then they should not accept Social Security, Medicare, nor cash their $1200 check from the government.

esmith · May 14, 2020

metis said:
We do not have a "capitalistic" economic system here in the States as we have what economists call a "mixed economy", namely a mixture of both capitalistic and socialistic programs. If one doesn't like socialism, then they should not accept Social Security, Medicare, nor cash their $1200 check from the government.

Those are programs not a economic system.
Oh, by the way if the government wants to give me cash I would be pretty dumb to turn it down now wouldn't I.

tytlyf · May 14, 2020

esmith said:
I know all of you have been waiting with baited breath to find out the names of those that requested that General Flynn's name be unmasked so here we go. Now I expect the usual suspects to do their "nothing to see here, move on" thing, but that is expected.
Overview
List Of Names

Wouldn't you automatically assume people with high-level clearance for such a thing would know? Derped. Are you surprised that people in the FBI,CIA, National intelligence knew? lmao.
It's clear Obama knew before the election that Michael Flynn was dirty (FBI briefed Obama). Which is why he warned Trump.
Flynn is a traitor. You support that.

esmith · May 14, 2020

tytlyf said:
Wouldn't you automatically assume people with high-level clearance for such a thing would know? Derped. Are you surprised that people in the FBI,CIA, National intelligence knew? lmao.
It's clear Obama knew before the election that Michael Flynn was dirty (FBI briefed Obama). Which is why he warned Trump.
Flynn is a traitor. You support that.

go suck an egg

tytlyf · May 15, 2020

esmith said:
go suck an egg

Grow a brain and stop being gullible

pearl · May 15, 2020

metis said:
The tragedy is that the rule-of-law is in jeopardy when they and Barr are all so willing to play politics in this arena, which begs the question are they getting set for the November election and what they might do if Trump loses. Michael Cohen thinks he knows as he told Congress, and I have to agree that he's probably right.

It has been reported that Manafort was released from prison to house arrest because of Covid19 though there were no reported cases of the virus at the prison. Cohen's release for the same reason was rescinded. There were several reported cases of Covid19 at his prison! Then there's Flynn and Stone. There is one rule of law now, Trump's rule. Wakeup America!

metis · May 16, 2020

pcarl said:
It has been reported that Manafort was released from prison to house arrest because of Covid19 though there were no reported cases of the virus at the prison. Cohen's release for the same reason was rescinded. There were several reported cases of Covid19 at his prison! Then there's Flynn and Stone. There is one rule of law now, Trump's rule. Wakeup America!

And I think it's likely to get worse with his Soviet-style purge of anyone who dares to do something that he disagrees with or doesn't inflate his ego. And then what will he do if he loses the election is the next question?

This in not only a political crisis but also a moral one as well, and how we respond is going to determine which kind of country we want to be from this point on.

pearl · May 16, 2020

metis said:
And I think it's likely to get worse with his Soviet-style purge of anyone who dares to do something that he disagrees with or doesn't inflate his ego. And then what will he do if he loses the election is the next question?

Maybe for the first time in our country's history, it will not be a peaceful transition.

metis · May 16, 2020

pcarl said:
Maybe for the first time in our country's history, it will not be a peaceful transition.

I truly hope we're both wrong on this.

Anyhow, have a Most Blessed Lord's Day. Supposedly, next Sunday we're finally going to be able to have mass in person here in the Archdiocese of Detroit but with lots of restrictions. We've been having "Mass for Shut-ins" on a local t.v. stations, and at least that's helped us through this.

How about your area?

pearl · May 17, 2020

metis said:
How about your area?

Our governor will let us know Monday what is included in the first phase of opening.

halbhh · May 17, 2020

shmogie said:
I see. So, Christ was not addressing the individuals responsibility to other individuals, but rather was saying what secular nations should do, and should do with the taxpayers money. Therefore, he was criticizing Rome, and how the Romans government did not spend it's taxpayer money on aliens who were incapable of supporting themselves. Interesting.

You quote the Torah, which, as you may know, was the rule of law for the nation of Israel, a theocracy.

The United states is not a theocracy, it is a secular Republic, and in a secular nation taxpayer money is not spent based upon religious doctrines.

I suggest you read Romans 13. Paul makes an absolutely clear clear case that Christians are to obey the civil law. Certainly I have an obligation to aid any individual I come across who needs help.
however, I am also obligated to follow the law. ALL people are obligated to follow the law. Illegal aliens have broken the law, legally, they have no business being in this country. They legally have no right to taxpayer funded programs or benefits, designed for American citizens, legal immigrants do.

The law also specifies the criteria for granting residency based upon political or religious harassment or danger. Wanting more money is not a criteria that is acceptable.

Christ always speaks in terms of a followers individual responsibility to other individuals or groups. He does not address government obligations. He never condemned Rome for any of it's political positions or actions.

"Am I my brother's keeper?" someone once asked.

Yes, we are to obey the law of any country we are in except of course when it directly goes against God's express commands to us. (would we commit murder if the government instructed us to do so? certainly not) We are never to do what the first century Jewish converts were tempted to do: direct war against the government (for them, the Roman occupiers).

Who do you really believe in? If we really believe in Christ, then we truly listen to His Words.

(we actually listen to all He said because we believe. it will never happen that one verse cancels another verse

)

halbhh · May 17, 2020

Shad said:
Neither Clinton nor Trump would get votes from Christians under your standard.

You are correct in a way, though we never see the future with a crystal ball. (we couldn't know ahead of time) We really don't rely on the world, on politicians, for our salvation. In other words, regardless of who we vote for, we are to never put our faith and hope in that person. Not even someone as inspiring as Lincoln or Obama or Kennedy. No matter the rhetoric, how well we prefer what we are hearing them say. I think of civic duty as very much like janitorial work. Someone has to mop the floor.

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