Modern Churches not operating gifts of the Spirit.

Nova2216 said:

All the "parts" each apostle had was to be unified at some point according to (Eph.4:11-13).

...13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith...

When this happened the revelation was complete (perfect).
(2Peter 1:3) (2Tim.3:16,17). Then it was all recorded in writing (epistles). Soon after the miracles ceased for there was no longer a reason for miracles (nothing else to confirm). They now had a written record of the things Jesus said while on earth (the NT).

Then we read (2Peter 1:3). We have "all things" pertaining to life and godliness.

Either this is true or the Lord lied to mankind.


I would also point out that (Zech.13:2) says that prophecy and the unclean spirits will pass out of the land. This is a reference to the miracles and demon possession ceasing around the end of the first century.

2 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land. (Zech.13:2)

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TrueBeliever37 said:

So you are trying to say their part of the revelation was done away with? Ridiculous!

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TrueBeliever37 said:

God didn't lie. But you misunderstand. If you think you can make it without receiving the Holy Spirit, when it says without his Spirit you are none of his - I don't think I can help you.

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74x12 said:

It's clear that in 1 Corinthians 12 when Christians assemble for church time together they should be operating in the gifts of the Spirit so they can minister to one another's needs. Not from themselves, but through the holy Spirit they should be ministering to one another's needs. So if someone needs healing then the gift of healing can be used. Or if someone needs a prophecy etc. You can read about the gifts for yourself in 1 Cor. 12. This thread is about how modern churches are sometimes missing out.

BTW I still believe all this is important. Preaching, singing, altar call, giving offering etc. But the gifts of the Spirit need to be used more often.

The question is how should church service be structured so that when the body comes together they can operate in the gifts of the Spirit. Not just one or two people with a microphone doing all the work. But the whole body operating the gifts as they should operate as God has given each person.

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Axe Elf said:

I think us prophets have it the hardest. Nobody minds being healed, but everybody resents the idea that they don't understand the divine will as well as someone else.

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2ndpillar said:

There are many "spirits", but we are in the "end times", and the "unclean spirit" of the "false prophet" (Revelation 16:13-16) seems well represented. Oh, by the way, 1 Corinthians 12 was supposedly written by the false prophet. If you need healing, I would suggest to repent, confess your sins, sin no more, and find someone righteous to pray for you (James 5:16). If you don't want to "receive of her plagues" (Revelation 18:4), I would recommend "coming out of her", the "her" being the "daughter of Babylon", your "modern churches".

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Muffled said:

Ibelieve people who think Paul is a false prophet are listening to an evil spirit.

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Muffled said:

I don't believe one can operate gifts. One receives gifts. That means that people need to be receptive and God has to be willing to give. On the other hand a church should be careful not to quench the spirit although it is a good idea to manage it so it doesn't get out of hand.

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Nova2216 said:

Again, you misunderstand my position.

I have never said we do not need the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

The point of contention is in "how" the Holy Spirit guides men today. Today men "read" the word of God and "understand" what God wants them "to do" (Eph.3:3,4).

4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)...

The Holy Spirit does nothing "to men" today .

The Holy Spirit does do things "for men" today according to (Rom. 8:26).

...the Spirit itself maketh intercession "for us" with groanings which cannot be uttered.


Thanks

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74x12 said:

The holy Spirit makes intercession within us who have the Spirit. That's what it means. Now, how can you cry "Abba Father" to God if you don't have the Spirit in you? (Romans 8:15, Galatians 4:6)

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1. the action of intervening on behalf of another.
   "through the intercession of friends, I was able to obtain her a sinecure"
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   Similar:
   mediation
   intermediation
   negotiation
   arbitration
   conciliation
   intervention
   interposition
   involvement
   action
   pleading
   petition
   entreaty
   supplication
   good offices
   agency
   shuttle diplomacy
   mediatorship
   • the action of saying a prayer on behalf of another person.
     "prayers of intercession"

74x12 said:

The holy Spirit makes intercession within us who have the Spirit. That's what it means. Now, how can you cry "Abba Father" to God if you don't have the Spirit in you? (Romans 8:15, Galatians 4:6)

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