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When and what is the gospel (kingdom)?? (Mt 24:14)

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
As the teaching of the "gospel of the kingdom" follows the "tribulation", and precedes the "great tribulation", (Matthew 24:14-21), what is that teaching? Not to confuse the "kingdom of heaven is at hand" per the Spirit and power produced by the disciples with regard to Matthew 10:6, which preceded the tribulations described in Matthew 24:9, but the "coming" fulfilled by the "anointed"/Christ/King David (Ezekiel 37:24) in which Judah/Jews, and Ephraim/northern tribes, were reunited on the land given to "Jacob My servant", whereas "My sanctuary is in their midst forever" (Ezekiel 37:25-28). Not to say that Judah/Jews have not already occupied the land of Judea to fulfill Zechariah 12 post WWI, but they have not been reunited with Ephraim, and have not yet fled to the "mountains", to escape the coming "great tribulation", nor do they have "David My servant" as their leader (Ez 37:28). The message of the kingdom was preached by Yeshua, what false narrative/gospel is taught today to obscure the true message of the kingdom?

Matthew 24:14 "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.
 
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Eyes to See

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Gospel means good news. It is not a kingdom. A kingdom is a government.

Now the good news is about a kingdom. Daniel 2:44 spoke regarding it:

“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever."

The entire theme of the Bible is the establishment of the kingdom and its bringing blessings to all humankind. Jesus Christ was the only one that had the birthright and fulfilled all the signs that he would be the king of that kingdom.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no2-2020-may-jun/

This kingdom is going to crush and put an end to all human governments and establish a heavenly rule over righteous humankind and bring the earth back to its right condition of paradise, and fix all of mankind's problems.

I offered you a link to a special message about this kingdom that is going to be spread worldwide in November. It is simple and direct in its loving message about what the kingdom is, why we need it, when it will come, and how you can benefit from its rule by heeding the good news that is now being preached in all the earth before the great tribulation breaks out.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
And of course any "gospel" other than the one you believe in is "false", right?

With respect to the timing of the message of the kingdom to the whole world, following the "tribulation", referred to in Matthew 24, the first warning is "see to it that no one misleads you" (Mt 24:4). And of course, referring to Matthew 7:13-15, the misled are called the "many", being led by the wolves in sheep's clothing, those being led by the false prophets, "coming in my name" (Matthew 24:5). Of course the main false prophet would be your teacher, the false prophet Paul. As for someone causing the children to stumble in trying to enter the kingdom of heaven, it would have been better for them to have been drowned in the depth of the sea (Matthew 18:3-7). Of course the main stumbling block would have been named in Matthew 16:23, that being Peter, who was also identified as "Satan. As for the followers of the false prophets, apparently their destination was to be "destruction" (Mt 7:13).
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Gospel means good news. It is not a kingdom. A kingdom is a government.

Now the good news is about a kingdom. Daniel 2:44 spoke regarding it:

“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever."

The entire theme of the Bible is the establishment of the kingdom and its bringing blessings to all humankind. Jesus Christ was the only one that had the birthright and fulfilled all the signs that he would be the king of that kingdom.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no2-2020-may-jun/

This kingdom is going to crush and put an end to all human governments and establish a heavenly rule over righteous humankind and bring the earth back to its right condition of paradise, and fix all of mankind's problems.

I offered you a link to a special message about this kingdom that is going to be spread worldwide in November. It is simple and direct in its loving message about what the kingdom is, why we need it, when it will come, and how you can benefit from its rule by heeding the good news that is now being preached in all the earth before the great tribulation breaks out.

The message of Daniel 2:44 is when the stone cut without hands was to crush all the kingdoms summarized in Daniel 2:35, all at the same time. The last individual kingdom crushed was the feet of iron and clay, the feet of iron symbolizing the Roman empire of Caesar/Kaiser, and the toes of clay, symbolizing Edom/Essau, the multiple kingdom of Muslims, crushed. At that time the Ottoman Caliphate and the Kaiser's/Caesar's Germany were crushed at the battle of Megiddo at the end of WWI. We have to wait for the final crushing of all the kingdoms, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and Rome and the toes of clay to be crushed all at the same time. Looking at the news and Zechariah 12, it appears that when the feet of clay, which now include Iran, Iraq, Turkey, Syria, Egypt, deem it timely to crush Judah, that the feet of clay will again be crushed, and Rome/Europe, is being destroyed by the Muslims and the economy. Greece appeared to have been crushed economically earlier, and whose dead weight, along with that of Italy, is taking down the European Union. You may consider having 1/3 of mankind destroyed a blessing (Revelation 9:16), but those involved will only be coaxed to agreement with you through the use of locusts with the power of scorpions (Revelation 9:5-6).

As for the law which the kingdom will be founded on, that will be the Law found in the ark of the covenant, and the survivors, will keep the statutes of God, or find themselves without rain (Zechariah 14:16-17).
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
Gospel means good news. It is not a kingdom. A kingdom is a government.

Now the good news is about a kingdom. Daniel 2:44 spoke regarding it:

“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever."

The entire theme of the Bible is the establishment of the kingdom and its bringing blessings to all humankind. Jesus Christ was the only one that had the birthright and fulfilled all the signs that he would be the king of that kingdom.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/watchtower-no2-2020-may-jun/

This kingdom is going to crush and put an end to all human governments and establish a heavenly rule over righteous humankind and bring the earth back to its right condition of paradise, and fix all of mankind's problems.

I offered you a link to a special message about this kingdom that is going to be spread worldwide in November. It is simple and direct in its loving message about what the kingdom is, why we need it, when it will come, and how you can benefit from its rule by heeding the good news that is now being preached in all the earth before the great tribulation breaks out.
Thanks for that. Good point.
You're quite right as far as I understand it. Some do say they pray and that they'll pray for others. Interestingly, Jesus taught his disciples how to pray in what is often called the "Our Father" prayer. Putting it in modern English, one translation has it: (Matthew 6)

"This, then, is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven:
May your holy name be honored;

10 may your Kingdom come;
may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven."

There's more to it, of course, but after teaching his disciples to first pray that God's name be honored, he then said, "May your Kingdom come."
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
Thanks for that. Good point.
You're quite right as far as I understand it. Some do say they pray and that they'll pray for others. Interestingly, Jesus taught his disciples how to pray in what is often called the "Our Father" prayer. Putting it in modern English, one translation has it: (Matthew 6)

"This, then, is how you should pray:
‘Our Father in heaven:
May your holy name be honored;

10 may your Kingdom come;
may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven."

There's more to it, of course, but after teaching his disciples to first pray that God's name be honored, he then said, "May your Kingdom come."

I think the prayer more correctly reads "hallowed be thy name" (Matthew 6:9), more in parallel with the 3rd commandment. As for praying "May your kingdom come", that would not be referring to the "Kingdom of heaven is at hand" by way of cleansing lepers, as done by the 12 disciples (Matthew 10:8), but of the kingdom prophesized by the prophets, which was to happen after all the kingdoms of the world were crushed at the same time (Daniel 2:35 & 44), which has not apparently been completed. Persia, Iran, the breast of silver, has not been crushed along with the other kingdoms, all at the same time. According to Zechariah 12, that will happen when the feet of clay, the neighbors of Judea, intend to crush Judah. Which is to say, that Iran, with other neighbors, tries and eradicate Judea, now described as the state of Israel. That time is probably "at hand", but it is before Judah and Ephraim are reunited under "David My servant" (Ezekiel 37:26) shall be their prince forever. Yeshua sent out the fishers of men to gather the house of Israel, but later, the hunters of men will be sent out to recover the last tribe of Israel (Jeremiah 16:18), at which time their "iniquity" will result in double billing of their account, for their "detestable idols" and "abominations".
 

YoursTrue

Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)
I think the prayer more correctly reads "hallowed be thy name" (Matthew 6:9), more in parallel with the 3rd commandment. As for praying "May your kingdom come", that would not be referring to the "Kingdom of heaven is at hand" by way of cleansing lepers, as done by the 12 disciples (Matthew 10:8), but of the kingdom prophesized by the prophets, which was to happen after all the kingdoms of the world were crushed at the same time (Daniel 2:35 & 44), which has not apparently been completed. Persia, Iran, the breast of silver, has not been crushed along with the other kingdoms, all at the same time. According to Zechariah 12, that will happen when the feet of clay, the neighbors of Judea, intend to crush Judah. Which is to say, that Iran, with other neighbors, tries and eradicate Judea, now described as the state of Israel. That time is probably "at hand", but it is before Judah and Ephraim are reunited under "David My servant" (Ezekiel 37:26) shall be their prince forever. Yeshua sent out the fishers of men to gather the house of Israel, but later, the hunters of men will be sent out to recover the last tribe of Israel (Jeremiah 16:18), at which time their "iniquity" will result in double billing of their account, for their "detestable idols" and "abominations".
Hallowed does mean honored, means holy, consecrated, sacred, or revered. (Wikipedia) We don't generally use "thee, thy, and thou" in general discourse today. Perhaps some groups do.

Here are a few other versions:

Berean Study Bible
So then, this is how you should pray: ‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be Your name.

Berean Literal Bible
Therefore pray you like this: 'Our Father in the heavens, hallowed be Your name!

New American Standard Bible
"Pray, then, in this way: 'Our Father who is in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.

New King James Version
In this manner, therefore, pray: Our Father in heaven, Hallowed be Your name.
 

Jim

Nets of Wonder
I’m thinking that the gospel of Jesus is everything He says about His kingdom. It’s for all time.
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
I’m thinking that the gospel of Jesus is everything He says about His kingdom. It’s for all time.

The "kingdom of heaven is at hand" of Matthew 10:7, is with respect to the 12 disciples cleansing the lepers, and refers to the Spirit and power of God, which does not reign today. The ruler today is the 8th head of the beast (Revelation 17:10:11). The "goats", the leaders, do not heal the sheep today, and their judgment is coming (Ezekiel 34:2-4 & 16). The kingdom will come when "My Servant David will be prince among them (My flock) (Ezekiel 34:22-23). While the "many" (Mt 7:13) are counted among the "tares", Satan's spawn, they will be the "first" "gathered" up and burned (Matthew 13:30 & 40), and yet they think they are saved from "Har-Magedon" because of the false gospel of the false prophet Paul. Well, I am thinking that everything is in place for the great tribulation, and only the last numbered saint needs to die to roll the table. (Revelation 6:11) The world today is based around false presumptions, false estimates, false models, false testimony, and fear of death.
 
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PearlSeeker

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New As the teaching of the "gospel of the kingdom" follows the "tribulation", and precedes the "great tribulation", (Matthew 24:14-21), what is that teaching?

The Spirit of the Lord GOD is on Me,
because the LORD has anointed Me
to preach good news [=gospel] to the poor.
He has sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives
and freedom to the prisoners,
to proclaim the year of the LORD’s favor
and the day of our God’s vengeance,
to comfort all who mourn,
to console the mourners in Zion... (Isaiah 61, emphasis added)
 

2ndpillar

Well-Known Member
The Spirit of the Lord GOD is on Me,
because the LORD has anointed Me
to preach good news [=gospel] to the poor.
He has sent Me to bind up the brokenhearted,
to proclaim liberty to the captives
and freedom to the prisoners,
to proclaim the year of the LORD’s favor
and the day of our God’s vengeance,
to comfort all who mourn,
to console the mourners in Zion... (Isaiah 61, emphasis added)

You might want to take the time to read all of Isaiah 61. And the kingdom of God is apparently not "good news" for everyone. Apparently the "foreigners"/"strangers" will be "your farmers and your vinedressers" (slaves) (Isaiah 61:5). To set up Isaiah 61, you might want to read Isaiah 14 to find out who the "LORD" is speaking too.
 
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